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A Phoenix
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Dear Yann, Rob and Kate, can you cast your expert eyes over this 1653 title page of FB's works? Thanks.

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Between the S of Scripta and the S of Sophia we have the word VERITAS and it points to MINERVA, the Spear-shaker !

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https://archive.org/details/ned-kbn-all-00003479-001/page/n10/mode/2up

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Light-of-Truth Grand Master

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Trying to find that text in better resolution than in this thread. The link doesn't work, it's from your personal viewing profile. 🙂

https://books.googleusercontent.com/books/content?req=AKW5Qad9r4dcfxki39w35BcqNdzpbNQkg8FLxrbdOSDF2x11AmEGA8JoLaj1NnYc7qagRENrcpo3yYe3QIXRGu7wZCQDR_VZafuTbifTzDrt2PLBLE-cXyBNa2V18ZYHcDUbNfVPdOI_3MgRFqOBS2UkusZhbO05h7oEFXBGWHN-18EOM_PPR7usJnFIDxAdBWA9yYAfXyyUGJY-sLTJ7R91BcePKgVJd73CMfERKSkxiK5QAZkkgD9FRmVTBhF_S73m9qEQYzsA

Online translations for this, "Pairem habuit illustrem illum Elisabthea Reg nae Confiliarium, Regni ejus. (dum iple vixit) columenalterum, Dominium. Baconum, Equitem Autratum, Magni Sigili " are curious indeed. I might be making a typo or two which would change things up.

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6 hours ago, Kate Cassidy said:


Here you go

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says Palace of York too. The illustrious son of Elizabeth must be a mistranslation as it’s way too obvious to never have been seen before, if correct. 
 

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Hi Kate,

I am not totally sure, as I do not know Latin, but I think that "illum" has been mistranslated by google because of its ressemblance with "filium" which means "his son".

Best regards.

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If the book was out of my range, one leaf was not ! 😁

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I received the leaf this afternoon. And I made some more discoveries. 

Notice XXXIII = 33 = BACON and XXXIII + XXXIV =  67 = FRANCIS

Then, we have AMI or I AM on one page and I 3 or I C - I see - Iesus Christ on the other one.

And we have ULMUM ,the latin word for Elm or Orme in french.

The Elm is linked to the Vine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elm_and_the_Vine

And I wonder if the Orme could be a reference to Ormus.

What do you think of it ?

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eruditissimus Bacon  - Phoenix 

The most learned Bacon - Phoenix

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1 hour ago, A Phoenix said:

THE TITLE PAGE AND SYMBOLIC ENGRAVING OF LORD BACON FROM THE 1663 EDITION OF HIS ESSAYS.

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Hi A Phoenix,

Thank you again for sharing.

I love the first two lines of the text on the left 🙂 

BACON ...

Whose name will ...

I noticed that the word ESSAIES on the right is in fact E8SAIES but I do not have an explanation yet ( beyond the reference to Mercury/Hermès )

https://www.pbagalleries.com/view-auctions/catalog/id/130/lot/36569/The-essays-or-Counsels-civil-amp-moral-of-Sir-Francis-Bacon-Lord-Verulam-viscount-St-Alban-wherunto-is-added-by-himself-A-table-of-the-colours-of-good-and-evil-Enlarged-in-many-places-since-the-first-edition-by-the-honourable-authour-himself?url=%2Fview-auctions%2Fcatalog%2Fid%2F130%3Fcat%3D14

And I wonder if "Thomas West" is a clue.

Indeed Thomas West, 2nd Baron de la Warr was a member of Elizabeth I 's Privy council and was married to Anne Knollys, whose the elder sister, Lettice Knollys, the chief Lady of the Bedchamber to Queen Elizabeth, was the "mother" of Robert Devereux and was married (her second wedding) to Robert Dudley. 

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Wow! There is an 8!

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It's been pointed out to me over the years than an 8 is the Infinity symbol on its side. For example 1881 could be two pillars with a double sideways Infinity symbols.

Why is the "r" missing in "remarkable" and "e" missing in "concern-ing"?

 

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1 minute ago, Light-of-Truth said:

Quick answer to my question, maybe?

The letters between the two missing letters are "kable Memoirs conc".

They add up to 149 Simple cipher, then add the 8 to get 157.

Notice that the "r" of sundry is missing too !

But in the copy of the Title page shared by A Phoenix, there are no missing letters.

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The "r"s in the image above look very small, and the "e" looks squished in.

The larger image has a hand written note on the previous page, "A good name is ??? pretious Oyntment. Solomon"

https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1611_Ecclesiastes-7-1/

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4 minutes ago, Light-of-Truth said:

The "r"s in the image above look very small, and the "e" looks squished in.

The larger image has a hand written note on the previous page, "A good name is ??? pretious Oyntment. Solomon"

https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1611_Ecclesiastes-7-1/

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I also noticed  "KEN : VII" instead of "HEN : VII" , and I wonder why they chose to write OPE : PHICA ( standing for OPERA PHILOSOPHICA) instead of OPE : PHILO .

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45 minutes ago, Light-of-Truth said:

The "r"s in the image above look very small, and the "e" looks squished in.

The larger image has a hand written note on the previous page, "A good name is ??? pretious Oyntment. Solomon"

https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1611_Ecclesiastes-7-1/

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AND WHAT IF THIS REFERENCE TO ECCELESIAST 7:1 THAT WAS ADDED,

WAS AN INVITATION TO TAKE A LOOK AT ECCLESIAST 7 ?

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I , F. BACON

Just a "coincidence" ? 😃

 

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My apologies A Phoenix !

I know that I am off topic, but as I was thinking of a "signature" for my page, the idea came to me to quote Shakespeare, and as I was taking a look at the 287th page of the First Folio, I saw something that I have to share with you !

If we consider that "a" and "w" are interchangeable  ( I am the A and the W), then we have in diagonal :

I, WILL TUDOR

I, WILL BACON

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Speaking on "Topics", there is something we can do to enhance the web exposure and attract more viewers. I was thinking about this a couple nights ago and I'll try to remember as we move into the future.

Topic titles get keyword priority on Google, Bing, etc. Our replies and posts get indexed eventually as well, but the title of thread is what matters most. I was thinking I wish every one of A. Phoenix's title page posts had been in their own thread because over the years people may be searching for a particular book or title page and we want them to land here on B' Hive.

What we can do, if we are in a thread but get sidetracked (off-topic), is create a new Post with a title that matches the topic. In the first post in that new topic we can say something about the previous topic that refers to the thread we a spinning off with a link, but then discuss and play with it separately.

Right now if someone comes to the forum there are a lot of Topics already up and growing. They might not know where to start, and will look for titles that catch their interest. On the other hand, if somebody is searching for something obscure on Google and lands in a discussion that answers questions they have and allows them to ask more, we hit the target. In time, and already, people from all over the world are finding this on Google and dropping in. And we are at the very beginning. We are creating the greatest Baconian and Rosicrucian internet library in the world with our passion. With some practice, we can be deliberate in who and what we wish to promote. Make sense?

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