Special Bacon-Shakespeare Title Pages & Emblems

[A Phoenix]

Dear Yann, Rob and Kate, can you cast your expert eyes over this 1653 title page of FB's works? Thanks.

[Allisnum2er]

Between the S of Scripta and the S of Sophia we have the word VERITAS and it points to MINERVA, the Spear-shaker !

Edited March 7, 2022 by Allisnum2er

[Allisnum2er]

Just an add on ! 🙂 

 

[A Phoenix]

Hi Yann, I step back in unadulterated admiration just watching your ingenious mind in action.  There are also 33 letters beneath the first 33 giving a total in the yellow box of 66 letters Bacon (33)/Bacon (33) in simple cipher  and as you have pointed out with the character (i.e, the full stop) a total 67 for Francis in simple cipher.

Yann, in the image to the left, the figure in the middle (Francis?) is pointing with his finger to a shape or possible sigil in the sky. Any ideas? 

[Allisnum2er]

NOTHING HAS BEEN LEFT TO CHANCE !

Edited March 7, 2022 by Allisnum2er

[A Phoenix]

Hi Yann, sublime!

[A Phoenix]

Hi Yann, If the 10 characters at the bottom of the page are added to the 100 count plus the single woodcut it produces a total of 111 Bacon in kay cipher. 

[Allisnum2er]

2 minutes ago, A Phoenix said:

Hi Yann, If the 10 characters at the bottom of the page are added to the 100 count plus the single woodcut it produces a total of 111 Bacon in kay cipher. 

Well done ! And I think that Rob will have some thoughts to share with us regarding the number 110 🙂 

Regarding the image to the left,here is a link to a higher quality image : https://otago.ourheritage.ac.nz/items/show/10672

Bacon is pointing to the sky , like to tell us to look at the moon . But is it a quarter moon or  the beginning of a solar eclipse ?

[A Phoenix]

Hi Yann,

quick count on the image and there are 100 letters. 🙂

[Allisnum2er]

3 minutes ago, A Phoenix said:

Hi Yann,

quick count on the image and there are 100 letters. 🙂

Indeed, I was making the same count ! 😄 This is the same text than the one on the right , only the date format is different. So, we have also 103 characters if we don't take the date and th final point in count, and 108 with 5 last characters ! 😉 

[Allisnum2er]

OHHHHHHH !!! I just noticed a another difference between the 2 texts :  "AMSTERODAMI" on the left , " AMSTELODAMI" on the right ! Another clue !😃

[Allisnum2er]

I think that it can be a way to hide the famous number 106 , a reference to Christian RosenKreutz !

Indeed, AMSTELODAMI = 106 (simple cipher)

[A Phoenix]

The fictional pseudonym for FB secret Founding Father of the Brotherhood of the Rosy Cross.

[A Phoenix]

Just a few tentative suggestions for the other two figures-Ptolemy? Copernicus? Galileo?

[Allisnum2er]

5 minutes ago, A Phoenix said:

Just a few tentative suggestions for the other two figures-Ptolemy? Copernicus? Galileo?

I think that you have, indeed Galileo on the right, but I don't think that it is Copernic on the left.

I would say that it is Kepler

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johannes_Kepler#/media/Fichier:JKepler.jpg

A reference to SN1604, Kepler's supernova, and the famous year 1604 with the discovery of the tomb of .... Christian Rosenkreutz ! 😉 

[A Phoenix]

Hi Yann, I am certainly inclined to agree with you.

[Light-of-Truth]

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Well done ! And I think that Rob will have some thoughts to share with us regarding the number 110

WOW! I was only away two or three hours. Saw the first post as I was heading out the door. Just got back.

I look forward to some input, but a lot of work already done. I LOVE it!!

Some things to do; feed the cat, the dog, the fish in our pond, get my wife comfy, do some dishes from her lunch, pay a couple bills, answer some "very important" work emails (LOL), and catch my breath.

WILL see what I can in a while. 😉

 

[Allisnum2er]

https://archive.org/details/ned-kbn-all-00003479-001/page/n10/mode/2up

[Kate]

It certainly looks like an eclipse. I'm struck by the shading on the front (see arrow), there's no rhyme or reason for it , so it may be pointing to something? I'll keep looking at it.

K

[Light-of-Truth]

I just read the thread. A lot to catch up on.

Will say the finger pointing up and the hand downward is an "As Above, So Below" suggestion.

The crescent moon, if it is a moon and not an eclipse, would be about 9 pm or so. Midnight would be a half-moon straight up. New moon at sunrise, Full moon at sunset, Half moon at midnight. I saw a smaller crescent last night at about 7 pm here approaching Spring Equinox in a couple weeks, but not straight up yet.

If 9pm is 3/4 through the Sonnets we end up on line 1618 in Sonnet 116 (misnumbered 119 in the original 1609 version) which ends at midnight, of course. It could be 9 pm if the Sonnets are thought of as a Clock, which it does.

These are the last three lines of the first three quarters of the Sonnets, up to 9:00 pm:

O, no! it is an ever-fixed mark
That looks on tempests and is never shaken
It is the star to every wandering bark,

The two figures? At first I thought Dee maybe on the left as we are looking at the image. But maybe not. Dee was a cartographer who made maps of the globe. But it is not the typical image we see of him.

Why were they out in the night? Hints at secrecy for sure, "in the darkness."

It could be an eclipse, but I'd expect some rays on one side. I think it is night, a few hours after sunset.

The mountains on either side of the bay might suggest the Dark A and Light A. Strange the lighted side is opposite of the way the moon is lit. An artist or engraver would catch that, so it may be on purpose. Does it relate to the way the guy on the left has his back to us, opposite the guy on the right. That could be important, especially if we can figure out who there are.

OK, back to tasks for a bit and I'll drop back in...

🙂

 

 

[Allisnum2er]

My last thoughts before to join the arms of Morphée ... 

With the first letters we can form the words "SIFR" (Zero/Chiffre/Cipher)  Pi and Phi !

"The Arabic numeral system spread from the Arabic world to Europe in the Middle Ages. In this transition, the Arabic word for zero صفر (sifr) was adopted into Medieval Latin as cifra, and then into Middle French as cifre. This eventually led to the English word cipher (minority spelling cypher)" - Wikipedia

Regarding "SIFR" I invite you to take a look at  Rob's great discovery in the Sonnets : https://www.light-of-truth.com/bacons_biliteral_cipher.htm

Moreover, if we take in count the R of AMSTERODAMI and the L of AMSTELODAMI it gives us S+L= 28

It makes me think about the lunar cycle, echoing the image , and talking about eclipses maybe we should looking for references to saros or metonic cycles ?

[Light-of-Truth]

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I'm struck by the shading on the front (see arrow), there's no rhyme or reason for it , so it may be pointing to something?

Assuming we are looking North, the Sun is lighting the Moon from the West, but the mountains, the cube which your arrow points, and two figures appears to be lit from the front (South) and East as the Moon is behind them.

That is no accident, or whoever the artist was took a lot of teasing about the design. 😉

Or it could be an Solar eclipse and explain the lighting.

 

 

[Kate]

It’s an eclipse Rob, or a waxing crescent moon. The moon doesn’t change shape during the night, you only get a new moon once a month, not every morning and a first quarter will be around 7 days after the new. Hope this helps. K

 

Edited March 7, 2022 by Kate Cassidy

[Light-of-Truth]

Yup, the moon looks the same every night, but it does change places in the sky as the Earth rotates, like the stars and the sun. For example we see a Full moon rise in the East when the sun sets, but if we are up early to see the sunrise, we see the Full moon set in the West.

If we are at the First Quarter which we are approaching soon, we see it as the Sun is shining on the Moon while it is also lighting up half the Earth from the same direction even though we are in the dark.

The New Moon was a few day ago, so it is Waxing now (28%). The crescent was in the East morning sky as I was driving Theresa to work before dawn last week. Now it is rising in the West sky getting higher every night by the time we go to bed at 7 to 8 pm. It is higher than last night, but still a not a Quarter Moon yet.

When I said a "half-moon" I meant a Quarter Moon, we just see "half" the Moon lit up. Even at Full Moon we are only seeing "half" the Moon, of course. We see the Last Quarter during the day.

 

 

 

 

Edited March 8, 2022 by Light-of-Truth

[Light-of-Truth]

That is what is strange about this engraving, the Moon is illuminated from the back and right, but the globe is illuminated form the front and left. See the arrows:

Bacon's hands are the traditional "As Above, So Below" image. So many images to choose from by the ancients, including some of Bacon and of course Pythagoras. Or Hermes Trismegistus:

But even in ancient engravings and paintings, lighting is important. Good artists did not screw that up. It was "Art 101", they knew about it.

So with the opposite lighting of the "Celestial Orb" (whatever it is) and the Globe, a Solar eclipse makes sense.

But, I can't remember ever seeing a Sun without rays, and this celestial orb has no rays. It would seem even during an eclipse they'd have a ray or two?

It is a strangely illuminated engraving with a definite "As Above, So Below" message.

What is your thought, Kate?