Bacon, a Tudor Prince?

[Rob at 007]

"The fact of Francis Bacon's Parentage--the legitimate son of Queen Elizabeth and therefore the legal heir to the Throne---is indubitable, supported as it is, not only by a mass of circumstantial evidence but by such direct testimony as Leicester's letter to King Philip of Spain, which Mme Deventer von Kunow discovered among the Spanish State Archives, begging King Philip to use his influence with Queen Elizabeth to secure his public acknowledgment as Prince Consort........No one can possibly follow Mme D. von Kunow's revelations and remain unconvinced." --Williard Parker in the Foreword to Francis Bacon, Last of the Tudors

From the Bacon's Royal Parentage page on SirBacon.org.

What do you think? Was Bacon born to be a King only to be denied his due?

[Allisnum2er]

ALL IS NUMBER ! 🙂 

And in my opinion, a part of the Truth lies in the number 143 .

143 is the simple cipher of : QUEEN ELIZABETH.

Let's take a look at page 143 of the First Folio, and at Sonnet 143.

Always in my opinion, the " three-fold love"  BACON talks about is a clue !

And finally, here is my take on the famous Sonnet 143 .

BACON tells us that he is Shake-speare and the Son Of the Widow !

[Light-of-Truth]

Awesome! I've been there before too. 

You know there are 157 pages between the image of Shakespeare and the page with that acrostic. See the page numbers in the URLs on the links below; 5 and 163. (5 + 157 + 1 = 163)

"Mr. WILLIAM SAHAKESPEARE" then at the bottom of the the 163rd page is the "BA3ON" cipher, with 157 pages between them.

And as you see, more clues beyond that.

https://firstfolio.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/text/5

https://firstfolio.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/text/163

Curious your take. On the page after the Droeshout, in the dedication, is this quote:

"...and their Author living, with so much favour : we hope, that (they out-living him, and he not having the fate, common with some, to be exequutor to his owne writings) you will use the like indulgence toward them_...""

This was in 1623. Willy and Gassy guy were both dead and long gone, but Bacon was alive. Seems like more attention should have been put on this?

 

Sonnet 143?

Those lines are at the end of Sonnet 143. The very last line of Sonnet 143 is Line 2001 of the Sonnets.

TWO THOUSAND ONE = 157 Simple and 287 Kaye ciphers.

Sonnet 144? 

SIR FRANCIS BACON = 144 Simple cipher.

In the Pyramid design the end of Sonnet 143 ends the 13th Tier and Sonnet 144 begins the 14th Tier. If we relate the pyramid on the Dollar bill, the separation is at the 13th Tier where the 14th Tier begins and the floating capstone rises above.

Lot going on here, just touching a few things. 😉

 

 

Edited February 8, 2022 by Light-of-Truth

[Light-of-Truth]

Allisnum2er, in all these years I've never noticed the Bacon acrostics in Sonnet 143! Can't believe I missed it!

Very curious, the page image you shared with the notes, is it available? Looks like a goldmine of information!

[Lawrence Gerald]

[Lawrence Gerald]

Just now, Lawrence Gerald said:

 

Just now, Lawrence Gerald said:

Having a Non-Sequitor Moment, Please Forgive

[Allisnum2er]

16 hours ago, Light-of-Truth said:

Allisnum2er, in all these years I've never noticed the Bacon acrostics in Sonnet 143! Can't believe I missed it!

Very curious, the page image you shared with the notes, is it available? Looks like a goldmine of information!

Thank you Light_of-Truth.

The page image is an artwork of mine, a "Why should you make it easy when you can make it difficult ?" process, with a lot of "cut and paste" !😄

The idea was to share my work in an original way ! (The book is THE ENGLISH REPLICAS - WILLIAM SHAKESPEARE SONNETS -1927)

[Allisnum2er]

12 hours ago, Lawrence Gerald said:

 

Having a Non-Sequitor Moment, Please Forgive

You don't need to apologize . All good things come in threes ... or Thrice Threes ? I am not sure of anything !😃

[Eric Roberts]

On 2/2/2022 at 4:00 AM, Rob at 007 said:

"The fact of Francis Bacon's Parentage--the legitimate son of Queen Elizabeth and therefore the legal heir to the Throne---is indubitable, supported as it is, not only by a mass of circumstantial evidence but by such direct testimony as Leicester's letter to King Philip of Spain, which Mme Deventer von Kunow discovered among the Spanish State Archives, begging King Philip to use his influence with Queen Elizabeth to secure his public acknowledgment as Prince Consort........No one can possibly follow Mme D. von Kunow's revelations and remain unconvinced." --Williard Parker in the Foreword to Francis Bacon, Last of the Tudors

From the Bacon's Royal Parentage page on SirBacon.org.

What do you think? Was Bacon born to be a King only to be denied his due?

While on the subject of Canonbury Tower, Peter Dawkins' article doesn't mention the famous chronological list of English kings and queens in the so-called Inscription Room.

Much has been written about the defaced word between Svccedit and IacobVs. On close inspection, the letter at the start of the missing word looks to me like an "E", not an "F". What does everyone else think?

[Eric Roberts]

Three more clues to Francis Bacon's royal birth

https://sirbacon.org/doddsublimeprince.htm

https://sirbacon.org/doddsublimeprince.htm

https://sirbacon.org/archives/Bacons Maiden Speech to Parliament & His Royal Birth June 15 2020-1.pdf

Edited November 25, 2022 by Eric Roberts

[Eric Roberts]

Not strictly about his royal birthright, but as you probably know, Mrs Pott left some tantalising references to missing MSS of Lord Bacon.

https://sirbacon.org/links/pott.html

[Light-of-Truth]

"Meanwhile, it now seems certain that one box of papers of 'no importance' remains at the British Museum..."

Look anywhere in the museum except that box of unimportant papers, please. Do not pull back that curtain.

"...a sealed bag of papers..."

That tells me 157 and 287 seal it, and must be sealed blatantly to be mentioned.

Knowing who Bacon is, opens many doors into who he was. Then it all makes sense. Bacon was not born as Francis Bacon.

EDIT: Dodd is a good one to read for sure.

Here is one good read by Dodd:

https://sirbacon.org/downloads/Dodd-Alfred-Shakespeare-Creator-of-Freemasonry.pdf

 

Edited November 26, 2022 by Light-of-Truth

[A Phoenix]

Hi Eric,

Thank you for bringing this vitally important information to the attention all of us at B'hive and those who read the B'Hive posts from all around the world.  

I had read this many years since (and C. M. Pott, the great Baconian pioneer and founder of the Francis Bacon Society, makes similar statements elsewhere in her voluminous writings) but your detective work has brought it back to the fore of our minds. 

We too, have experienced some institutional stonewalling over the years. In fact on occassion just the mention of the name of Lord Bacon and/or his Rosicrucian Brotherhood immediately gives rise to all kinds of very curious and strange reactions.

We have also often commented amongst ourselves how St Albans makes very little of the fact that FB is known/believed by many to have written the Shakespeare poems and plays and only recently when researching our paper 'Did FB died in 1626?' we contacted the appropriate authorities and institutions and after receiving an initial acknowledgement, they thereafter blanked us and withheld any and all information on the subject in their possession.

The experiences of previous Baconians (as articulated by the wonderful C. M. Pott) and our own experiences only serve to confirm the incredible far reaching secrecy that surrounds FB's secret life and writings.

 

 

[Eric Roberts]

Catalogue of the printed books and manuscripts bequeathed by Francis Douce, esq. to the Bodleian Library (1840)

https://archive.org/details/catalogueofprint00bodluoft

These are the works of Lord Bacon from the 1840 Bodleian Douce catalogue. 

 

Mrs Pott must have known that certain documents in the Douce Collection had not been transferred from the British Museum to the Bodleian Library in the original 1834 bequest. The article below (which I am unable to access) suggests that in 1934 the BM's remaining items were transferred to the Bodleian. Maybe it's possible to find out if any of the later material pertains to Sir Francis, as Mrs Pott suspected.

 

 

[Eric Roberts]

Question: When was Robert Devereux born? 

Robert Devereux DOB.pdf

[A Phoenix]

Hi Eric,

I suppose we would have to ask Queen Elizabeth that one!

[Eric Roberts]

14 hours ago, A Phoenix said:

Hi Eric,

I suppose we would have to ask Queen Elizabeth that one!

Or the answer might just be in the sealed bag of papers in the records office that Mrs Pott referred us to. I guess we'll never know.

 

 

[A Phoenix]

Hi Eric,

Let us hope that in the fullness of time some, most, or all of the secrets surrounding the life and writings of the Great One are eventually revealed to the world.

When the full truth is finally known It will truly stagger humankind.

[Light-of-Truth]

On 11/26/2022 at 8:27 AM, Eric Roberts said:

Question: When was Robert Devereux born? 

Robert Devereux DOB.pdf 40.02 kB · 5 downloads

Over two years of possible dates. I can only assume nobody has taken a serious look to nail it down. Were there no letters that mention his birth? No reference to him in his early years with a clue to how old he was at a certain time? This is highly curious. 😉

What was the year of Elizabeth painting that hints at two small children near her??

 

Edited November 27, 2022 by Light-of-Truth

[Eric Roberts]

26 minutes ago, Light-of-Truth said:

Over two years of possible dates. I can only assume nobody has taken a serious look to nail it down. Were there no letters that mention his birth? No reference to him in his early years with a clue to how old he was at a certain time? This is highly curious. 😉

What was the year of Elizabeth painting that hints at two small children near her??

 

https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/object/P_1868-0808-1529

Late 17th C. Apparently the two children represent peace and good governance.

[A Phoenix]

Hi Rob, 

I have just taken a look at a recent work on Essex:

Annaliesse Connolly and Lisa Hopkins, eds., Essex: The Cultural impact of an Elizabethan courtier (Manchester and New York: Manchester University Press, 2013), p. 6 which states he was 'Born on 10 November 1565'.

And the entry for Essex in the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography (2004-22) written by his modern standard authority Paul E. J. Hammer which states that he 'was born on 10 November 1565'. 

 

 

[Light-of-Truth]

Yes! That image!

it’s been here before but I couldn’t find it quickly. Guess it doesn’t help with the birth date.

And the child in the shadow?

[Light-of-Truth]

7 minutes ago, A Phoenix said:

Hi Rob, 

I have just taken a look at a recent work on Essex:

Annaliesse Connolly and Lisa Hopkins, eds., Essex: The Cultural impact of an Elizabethan courtier (Manchester and New York: Manchester University Press, 2013), p. 6 which states he was 'Born on 10 November 1565'.

And the entry for Essex in the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography (2004-22) written by his modern standard authority Paul E. J. Hammer which states that he 'was born on 10 November 1565'. 

 

 

I did an Ancestry.com search and Nov 10, 1565 comes up with references, but Nov 19, 1567 has a lot of family trees that like it.

Too bad Bacon doesn’t have descendants. 

 

[Eric Roberts]

5 hours ago, A Phoenix said:

Hi Rob, 

I have just taken a look at a recent work on Essex:

Annaliesse Connolly and Lisa Hopkins, eds., Essex: The Cultural impact of an Elizabethan courtier (Manchester and New York: Manchester University Press, 2013), p. 6 which states he was 'Born on 10 November 1565'.

And the entry for Essex in the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography (2004-22) written by his modern standard authority Paul E. J. Hammer which states that he 'was born on 10 November 1565'. 

 

 

Thanks A.P. So according to the Julian calendar, this would make Francis 5 years older than Robert, and yet Von Know, Dodd, the DNB, etc. prefer 1567.

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Dictionary_of_National_Biography,_1885-1900/Devereux,_Robert_(1567-1601) One of History's loose ends...

[Light-of-Truth]

Yet another respected source with no source to back up what they say. Someone's birth date? No footnote? That is what I am seeing just playing around on both sides.

There is a 1567 camp, but 1565 appears to have a few hints. Any document before '67 that suggests Robert Devereux was alive should be looked at carefully.

I am confident someone who cares can nail it. I care, but my plate is full. 🙂