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Here is a tribute to Francis Bacon and Ben Jonson.

This idea came to me this morning and this is my very first attempt with A.I. 😅

Indeed, if I had a clear idea, I did not have the necessary skills.

 Not everyone who wants to be a poet is qualified to be a poet ! 😊

I used several iterations on the subject of Alchemy and mixed them together,

changing words here and there, trying to constitute a coherente whole.

I hope you will like the final result.

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On 4/21/2024 at 2:31 PM, Allisnum2er said:

Here is a tribute to Francis Bacon and Ben Jonson.

BACON is the Key. That was easy. Like maybe the first clue. But there is more. 🙂

Yann, good that you didn't type your poem in this post. By typing it myself taking time to make sure I didn't have any typos, I got to know it much better. 😉

 

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18 hours ago, Light-of-Truth said:

By typing it myself taking time to make sure I didn't have any typos, I got to know it much better. 😉

Hi Rob,

I  just made some minor changes allowing to conceal more interesting things.

To help you, in the poem itself, I only changed "your door" by "the door". 😉 

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On 4/23/2024 at 12:51 PM, Allisnum2er said:

Hi Rob,

I  just made some minor changes allowing to conceal more interesting things.

To help you, in the poem itself, I only changed "your door" by "the door". 😉 

This should be a lesson! To chase Sir Francis Bacon and the G! 😉

On a side note, I want to quickly mention the letter J is used quite a bit in the 1617 Atalanta Fugiens by Michael Maier. I know its Latin and J was well in use by then in Latin print, but I still run into those who deny the letter J existed in Bacon's lifetime.

https://archive.org/details/atalantafugiensh00maie/page/14/mode/1up

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Something that caught my eye is that page 118 is misnumbered 18 and the letters DEE start the page. I have no idea what the page says, but for me it is a curiosity anyway. 😉

https://archive.org/details/atalantafugiensh00maie/page/116/mode/1up

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EDIT:

I looked up an English translation and it is interesting inDeed on pages 79-81! Must be a coincidence I am seeing 18 and 81 with DEE.  🙂

http://93beast.fea.st.user.fm/files/section1/maier/Maier - Atalanta Fugiens.pdf

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16 hours ago, Light-of-Truth said:

Something that caught my eye is that page 118 is misnumbered 18 and the letters DEE start the page. I have no idea what the page says, but for me it is a curiosity anyway. 😉

Great finding Rob !

Here is another strange error.

I do not know this Roman number ! 😄

https://archive.org/details/atalantafugiensh00maie/page/114/mode/1up

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P.S. : You can find a reference to John Dee in my poem. 

One clue : this is the reason why I change "your Door" by "the Door" 😉 

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41 minutes ago, Allisnum2er said:

I do not know this Roman number ! 😄

I definitely noticed it, and also the two large U's which I am sure replace the older smaller V's. 😉

The letter J/j is all over the place in this book too.

The Y for an X is a clue, a hint...

😉

 

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Can anyone explain this mystery to me ? 😊

I wondered if this topic was referenced on Google.

Surprise !

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Please note that in the second case, there is a link in 26th position to SirBacon.org but a link to the Topic of A Phoenix about  anagram and acrostics in which I talked about my poem two days ago, the one that appears in the third case on second position when I mentioned both Francis Bacon and Ben Jonson in the search engine.

And even with SirBacon.org as key word , there is no direct link to my Topic. 

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Why does my topic appears with  Ben Jonson  but not when Bacon is mentioned ?

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1 hour ago, Allisnum2er said:

Why does my topic appears with  Ben Jonson  but not when Bacon is mentioned ?

Google does its best to provide search results based on a user's history and interest. It's algorithm is constantly making adjustments based on what we look for. If you have Alexa your search results may change based on things you say out-loud. 😉

If you go to a different browser and search in privacy mode you might get different results than you get at the same time when surfing the web normally.

If I use quotations and search for "The Alchemical Quest" Bacon your post comes up top of the results for me.

Searching for The Alchemical Quest Bacon without quotations the first SirBacon.org results that comes up for me is:

https://sirbacon.org/henryalchemist.htm

The Secret Life of an Alchemist:

Francis Bacon's Real Philosophy of Nature

by

John Henry

University of Edinburgh

Science Studies Unit


(This essay is based from a lecture given to the Francis Bacon Society in August 2006,
Special thanks to John Henry for permission of use on sirbacon)

 

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2 hours ago, Allisnum2er said:

The Alchemical Quest

Here is one of the many secrets.

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Key is the 33rd word  -  33 = BACON

Door is the 67th word  -  67 = FRANCIS

I count 333 characters to and including the word “Door”. 

I hope someone besides me will solve your truly Baconian cipher which is Bacon Cipher 101. 😉

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14 hours ago, Light-of-Truth said:

I count 333 characters to and including the word “Door”. 

I hope someone besides me will solve your truly Baconian cipher which is Bacon Cipher 101. 😉

Thank you Rob ! 

I think that " No one, alas" 😉 , other than you, will share here the fruits of his quest.

I will share progressively the many secrets of this poem.

There are indeed 333 characters to and including the word "Door".😊

I noticed it but, to be honest, this was a happy coincidence.

I did not play with the number of characters at all, but with the number of letters.

And there are many important counts.

From the beginning of the poem to and including "Door" there are 312 letters (CAB).

And if we take the 18 letters of the title in count it gives a total of 330 letters. 😉.

From "Key" to and including "Door" there are 153 letters.

Initially, there were 154 letters (a reference to Shakespeare's Sonnet and Sonnet 154 with Cupid and the Virgin Maid) but I changed "your Door" by "the Door".

The reasons ?

Without losing the reference to the Sonnets (Thanks to the Twin Sonnets 153 and 154) it allowed to have 150 letters from the K of "Key" to the D of "Door"

https://internetshakespeare.uvic.ca/Library/facsimile/book/SLNSW_F1/150/?zoom=850

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K(10) + D(4) = 14 = DEE

And talking about John Dee ...

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188 is a reference to your work, Rob !

188 is the Kay (Key) cipher of JOHN DEE and ETERNITY.

But there is more !  188 + 188 = 376 

The number 376 leads us to the 376th page of the First Folio that is page 56 of King Henry IV, the famous page dedicated to "FRANCIS".

https://internetshakespeare.uvic.ca/Library/facsimile/book/SLNSW_F1/376/index.html%3fzoom=1275.html

Finally, there is a total of 404 letters.

0 being null it gives us the number 44 that is the numerical value (simple cipher) of JOHN.

And in my mind 44 is the gematria of "Chol"(Phoenix) , "Dam" (Blood) , "Yeled"(Child)

"The Child with the Blood of the Phoenix."

And the number 404 lead us to the 404th page of the First Folio in which I discovered Prince F.Bacon and the Queen Mother ...

https://internetshakespeare.uvic.ca/Library/facsimile/book/SLNSW_F1/404/index.html%3fzoom=1275.html

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33 , THE ALCHEMICAL KEY

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The word "Alchemy" is used only three times in Shakespeare's Work, twice is Shakespeare's Sonnets and only once in the First Folio.

And each time, "Alchemy" is linked to number 33.

The very first time that the word "Alcumy" appears in Shakespeare's Work it is in ...

SONNET 33

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Here is the link to the great work of Light-of-Truth (Rob) on Sonnet 33 and its connection with  ELIZABETH TUDOR :

https://www.light-of-truth.com/baconlesson.htm

(Notice the "soveraine eie")

The second time that the word "Alcumie " appears, it  is in Sonnet 114

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"Alcumie ", the only word in italic, is the 33rd word.

(youD O R

(Notice the words "crown'd" and "monark")

 

"Alchymie" appears only once in the First Folio, in the Play "Julius Caesar" Act 1 Scene 3

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The truth is conceal'd in the "Mid" of this passage , right between the two 3 or 33 :

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Francis Bacon's motto was mediocria firma (Midway is safe).

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3 hours ago, Allisnum2er said:

The word "Alchemy" is used only three times in Shakespeare's Work, twice is Shakespeare's Sonnets and only once in the First Folio.

And each time, "Alchemy" is linked to number 33.

This has just made my day. Thank you, Yann!

Synchronicities support your discovery. And I did not see this in your puzzle lesson on my own. Yet, anyway. 😉

I hope to explore tonight! 🙂

 

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9 minutes ago, Light-of-Truth said:

This has just made my day. Thank you, Yann!

Synchronicities support your discovery. And I did not see this in your puzzle lesson on my own. Yet, anyway. 😉

I hope to explore tonight! 🙂

 

Many thanks, Rob ! ❤️

I'm glab you like it ! I was looking forward to sharing with you my take on this passage in Julius Caesar.

Feel "Free" to share the fruits of your exploration.😊

 

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2 hours ago, Allisnum2er said:

Feel "Free" to share the fruits of your exploration.😊

Thank you for the The Alchemical Quest. 🙂

I'd like to share a little of my exploration. I think I've mentioned a couple tidbits or so of what I thought might be intentional already. But the exploration itself is a major part of what we do as self-proclaimed Baconian cryptologists and I want to share some of that. I'll write it to the curious who may get the bug to explore.

Part 1: Introduction

Allisnum2er (Yann) posted the The Alchemical Quest puzzle that begins this thread.

On 4/21/2024 at 2:31 PM, Allisnum2er said:

Here is a tribute to Francis Bacon and Ben Jonson.

This idea came to me this morning and this is my very first attempt with A.I. 😅

Indeed, if I had a clear idea, I did not have the necessary skills.

 Not everyone who wants to be a poet is qualified to be a poet ! 😊

I used several iterations on the subject of Alchemy and mixed them together,

changing words here and there, trying to constitute a coherente whole.

I hope you will like the final result.

Yann is known to not only see connections with cipher hints, he can weave a cipher masterpiece as well as anybody I know today. One of his skills is with Bacon's own cipher which has been a main discussion theme here on the B'Hive for a while.

I'm pleased that he did not share his cipher in text. It was embedded in an image. Yes I am aware there are OCR and AI apps and tools to read text quickly in an image, but I took the time to type every word. That was important in my own exploration. Remember, just because you can take a shortcut does not mean you'll get to the goal quicker.

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Part 2: Exploration

As you see, I made the italic words bold. That's because my eye sight is not like it was 20 years ago. I need extra visual enhancements! 🙂

I typically start with counts. They may be word counts, letter counts, line counts, whatever. I'm a number guy mostly. And there are great number winks in this work.

Certainly a significant number of B'Hive members noticed the potential biliteral cipher with the italic words when being italic might not make sense on some of those words. LOL

The first biliteral letter would be made of the first five words. Right? Bacon's biliteral cipher has five places.

Through skies of ethereal dreams

Italic, three non-italic, and an italic word. I see 1 0 0 0 1, but that is because I am number and computer nerd who gets binary code. I see ones and zeros. But Bacon demonstrated with a's and b's. So the above could be either a b b b a (P) or b a a a b (S).

Those five words represent a "P" or an "S" and an italic word could be an "a" or a "b".

Next five words:

I soar, Seeking Wisdom in

0 1 0 0 0, or a b a a a (I,J), or maybe b a b b b (Z).

Now we have four possible letters. The first five words are either a P or S. The second five words make either an I/J or a Z. As far as making any sense, even at this early stage is that the Z is not right. So by elimination we end up an S and I/J.

Next five words:

every wave’s roar, Enthralled by

1 0 0 0 0, or b a a a a (R).

OK, now I get confused, what is "S I/J R"?

After the next letter, "F", the rest came very easy. The end has me curious. I can make up my own interpretation easy enough, simple hillbilly cipher solution type stuff. But who can really see into Yann's world? There is a letter at the end to be seen, I just can't give it up myself. And I am sure there is more for me to explore.

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Just for fun, anyone who can tell me where the biliteral key that I use came from gets a big ol' smile from me. 🙂

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10 hours ago, Allisnum2er said:

33 , THE ALCHEMICAL KEY

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The word "Alchemy" is used only three times in Shakespeare's Work, twice is Shakespeare's Sonnets and only once in the First Folio.

And each time, "Alchemy" is linked to number 33.

The very first time that the word "Alcumy" appears in Shakespeare's Work it is in ...

SONNET 33

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Here is the link to the great work of Light-of-Truth (Rob) on Sonnet 33 and its connection with  ELIZABETH TUDOR :

https://www.light-of-truth.com/baconlesson.htm

(Notice the "soveraine eie")

The second time that the word "Alcumie " appears, it  is in Sonnet 114

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"Alcumie ", the only word in italic, is the 33rd word.

(youD O R

(Notice the words "crown'd" and "monark")

 

"Alchymie" appears only once in the First Folio, in the Play "Julius Caesar" Act 1 Scene 3

https://internetshakespeare.uvic.ca/Library/facsimile/book/SLNSW_F1/721/index.html%3fzoom=1275.html

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The truth is conceal'd in the "Mid" of this passage , right between the two 3 or 33 :

 3 Prince Bacon 3

Francis Bacon's motto was mediocria firma (Midway is safe).

The Middle Pillar = The Corinthian Order = Beauty (most accurately placed between Strength and Wisdom) = Androgyny = The Middle Path (the Candidate walks between two pillars that stand as opposites, and by doing so, symbolically vows to live a balanced life)

MIDWAY IS SAFE!!!

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God, I'd heard of the Bilateral Cypher before, but I never really delved into it, as it looked too complicated. Now I can see how simple it is!

It appears that, when given five spaces - or "slots" - and instructed to fill them with only the letters A and B, there are exactly 22 distinct outcomes. I'll have to familiarize myself with this! 

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