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3 hours ago, friendsofidb said:

If you read the book you'll clearly see we don't believe in coincidences.

From what I have seen so far, jumping around, there is some powerful stuff here.

I wish I could still read an entire book front cover to back. At least I am not starting at the end which I did for a while. I guess I am random and enjoy the synchronicity of what I see when thinking a thought and land on a page. I've already looked at my typical page number impulses with much pleasure.

Hopefully a lot of people read it properly. I will try, but have a few books around me I am still attempting to read the way intended. 😉

I keep thinking this is an English translation. How is the response from Russian speaking readers? Is Shakespeare/Bacon of interest? (Yea, I know, read the book! LOL)

 

 

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14 minutes ago, Light-of-Truth said:

How is the response from Russian speaking readers? Is Shakespeare/Bacon of interest?

I'll ask the author. I didn't leave my email or any other contact on his/our russian web site 🙂 So I guess it's him who they contact. I just don't know the answer. (Yet.)

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We've opened two new articles in full translation:

Both are continuations of an investigation initiated here; however, some unexpected discoveries of little-known documents have diverted the investigation slightly, prompting us to explore this narrative "sidetrack". In brief, perhaps the most surprising revelation (to me, at least) was that William F. Friedman was not only a liar and deceiver but also a traitor to his own country.

To be continued.

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On 4/24/2024 at 1:27 AM, Light-of-Truth said:

How is the response from Russian speaking readers? Is Shakespeare/Bacon of interest?

It's hard to say. A few people have contacted us and expressed their thanks. Many others didn't reach out at all but shared articles or the book on social media. Although the numbers are not very high, there's definitely some interest. Of course, it's not mainstream.

The literary-academic readers, as I'd call them, are either in total silence or denial. A year and a half ago, we tried to get our work published in one of the most respected Russian literary magazines. Their editor-in-chief (who's also interested in Shakespeare) read our book and replied with something like "thank you, it's very interesting, but we can't publish it, sorry."

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11 minutes ago, friendsofidb said:

The literary-academic readers, as I'd call them, are either in total silence or denial. A year and a half ago, we tried to get our work published in one of the most respected Russian literary magazines. Their editor-in-chief (who's also interested in Shakespeare) read our book and replied with something like "thank you, it's very interesting, but we can't publish it, sorry."

So Russia is like the rest of the world when it comes to Shakespeare. 😉

 

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4 minutes ago, Light-of-Truth said:

So Russia is like the rest of the world when it comes to Shakespeare. 😉

Yep. But i do believe, that we (all of us) will change it in the end.

As Bacon says in his secret autobiography:

Where many authors receive the reward of their application at once, mine awaits man’s future: but ’tis the future of time, and posterity must make just amends for my present want. The future peoples of a distant shore will prove true the word which saith: “A man is not without honor save in his own country.” Since they be
true, today, here, for us who dwell where the Divine footsteps have never trod, as they were sixteeen hundred years ago in Palestine, I await that day.

I believe that day will come. I don't know (only hope) if we'll live long enough to see it.. But it will come.

I was recently wondering... why I even got involved in all this? And I myself don’t have a clear answer... I just somehow know, that I want to do it, and it needs to be done.

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4 minutes ago, friendsofidb said:

I believe that day will come. I don't know (only hope) if we'll live long enough to see it.. But it will come.

That's my fuel. 🙂

Welcome, and a BIG Thank You for sharing your efforts on the SirBacon.org B'Hive. I don't think I am the only one here who is amazed at what has been on the other side of some kind of veil. 🙂

 

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41 minutes ago, friendsofidb said:

Are you suggesting these two articles were in Russian before translated into English?

I'd love to see the path of the Lamp that brings us here to today! 🙂

 

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40 minutes ago, Light-of-Truth said:

Are you suggesting these two articles were in Russian before translated into English?

Of course. It's my idea that after we translated the book, we also need to translate follow-up articles.

 

41 minutes ago, Light-of-Truth said:

I'd love to see the path of the Lamp that brings us here to today! 🙂

I don't quite understand what you mean, perhaps because english is not my native language, but you mean like this? one two

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14 minutes ago, friendsofidb said:

I don't quite understand what you mean, perhaps because english is not my native language, but you mean like this? one two

I said, "I'd love to see the path of the Lamp that brings us here to today."

I was imagining Dee passing a Lamp to Bacon and then that Light spread. I'm in Bacon's New Atlantis (USA) in Florida. I am aware that in Bacon's time other countries were involved in the mix, so to speak. I was trying to picture a tree from Dee/Bacon to the work your friends are doing in Russia.

I assume the interest started with Riverbank, or after?

Before?

I know zilch about Russia, especially in relation to the 1600's. Did Russia even exist?

Did they have access to Shakespeare around 1623 time? Who knew who? I bet Dee knew someone from pretty much everywhere. LOL

Bacon knew a lot of people and a lot of people knew him. Is there a Russian history with Bacon that is in the shadow?

This is too much fun. Riverbank opens up a can of worms. 😉

 

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15 hours ago, Light-of-Truth said:

I was trying to picture a tree from Dee/Bacon to the work your friends are doing in Russia.

I assume the interest started with Riverbank, or after?

Before?

As far as I know, it started back in the 90s with a book by Alain Decaux. I can't provide you the exact reference, as it was a Russian compilation of his works, published in 1996. (I found it, digitized and published too.) I understand it that you don't read russian, but the relevant section starts on page 149, and there are even some examples of the application of the biliteral cipher on page 159.

I'm not sure what developments occurred in this topic up to 2001, but in 2001 kiwi byrd (the author's nickname at the time) published the first article on it. It appeared in one of our most popular IT journals at the time (which is mostly defunct now). I even found it in the web archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20020513005809/http://www.computerra.ru/online/jack/11234/

This is the chapter titled "If case reaches court..." (we even preserved the original title). It was included in the book almost in its original form (as per the author's wish), with only very slight corrections, and some footnotes and references added by me.

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When I asked for sources for this material (it's a book after all, I needed some sources :D), he mentioned that Alain Decaux compilation, the book by Manly Hall and this.

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(To be honest, I'm not sure about that "Grands secrets, grandes enigmes" reference we provide here in the English edition, as I failed to find any original (French) Decaux books on the internet to confirm that this particular book includes that chapter on Shakespeare and Bacon... Thus, this particular reference in the English edition might not very accurate. However, I still I think it's better then mentioning some Russian-translated compilation that's even more rare).

Then, there was a brief publication in 2016 mentioning Cartier, Friedman, Riverbank, Fabyan and all that.

Then in 2018, he strikes with three articles under the common name "The secrets of the cryptographic grave", which I later assembled into one chapter for a book. [1] [2] [3]

I guess this was the moment when I chose to get acquainted and join.

And finally in 2020 I found and bought the Cartier's original monograph in paper, and the main work started.

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14 hours ago, Light-of-Truth said:

I know zilch about Russia, especially in relation to the 1600's. Did Russia even exist?

Yes it did. 🙂

14 hours ago, Light-of-Truth said:

Did they have access to Shakespeare around 1623 time? Who knew who? I bet Dee knew someone from pretty much everywhere. LOL

No idea.

14 hours ago, Light-of-Truth said:

Bacon knew a lot of people and a lot of people knew him. Is there a Russian history with Bacon that is in the shadow?

No idea! But this is very interesting question!

14 hours ago, Light-of-Truth said:

Riverbank opens up a can of worms.

So true.

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2 hours ago, friendsofidb said:

(To be honest, I'm not sure about that "Grands secrets, grandes enigmes" reference we provide here in the English edition, as I failed to find any original (French) Decaux books on the internet to confirm that this particular book includes that chapter on Shakespeare and Bacon... Thus, this particular reference in the English edition might not very accurate. However, I still I think it's better then mentioning some Russian-translated compilation that's even more rare).

Hi friendsofidb,

If it can help, it seems that in fact this is "Les grands mystères du passé " by Decaux published in 1964 that includes a chapter on Shakespeare and Bacon.

The chapter seems to be entitled "Shakespeare était-il Shakespeare ?"

And I second Rob (Light-of-Truth) . Many thanks  for sharing your efforts with us.

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I felt I needed to Google "Shakespeare était-il Shakespeare ?"

This came up:

https://www.lalibre.be/culture/livres-bd/2016/04/25/shakespeare-etait-il-shakespeare-4I6FX555AFGQDHQFWFTJR75IVI/

I read French about as well as I read Russian. LOL

I can barely read English...

But this came up and my first though was I am not familiar with this Shakespeare image (that I remember anyway😞

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EDIT:

Further Googling I am reminded about this portrait that we have discussed here on the B'Hive some time ago regarding the Cobb Portrait.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobbe_portrait#History

 

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4in1

Mask of Shakespeare

Mysteries of Bacon

Book by Cartier

Secrets of the NSA

(Second Edition, 2023 translated from the Russian)

https://4in1.ws/

 

‘In the foundations of cryptography as a solid scientific computer mathematical discipline there lies a big Mystery of the occult mystical sense. By a long-standing tradition, it is forbidden to talk about this Mystery. But by whom it is forbidden and on what grounds, actually, no one knows..’

Due to the multi-layered depth and complexity of this work it would be virtually impossible to do it justice in a brief review or summary of its interconnected themes. This landmark work is a milestone in Bacon-Shakespeare scholarship and its secret hidden links with British, US & French Intelligence, the Folger Shakespeare Library and its learned journal the Shakespeare Quarterly, and numerous individuals working for these Agencies and Institutions, that were or became involved in Bacon-Shakespeare scholarship. This indispensable work in particular focuses upon two such individuals William F. Friedman and Francois Cartier, the one world famous in the realms of Bacon-Shakespeare cryptology and the other (as the author of this work repeatedly emphasizes) almost completely written out of the Bacon-Shakespeare canon.  

In support of its central contentions, it contains little known and difficult to access documents, evidence and facts, and provides links to specialised cryptological and intelligence publications and articles, and other obscure sources of information that have remained suppressed or hidden for decades and in some instances for more than a century.    

I have written an article on the subject which I have placed on Academia:

A. PHOENIX, 'FRANCIS BACON, THE BACON BI-LITERAL DECIPHERMENTS OF GENERAL FRANCOIS CARTIER HEAD OF THE FRENCH CIPHER INTELLIGENCE SERVICE, THE FRAUDULENT FRIEDMANS, AND A WORK WRITTEN BY A FORMER MEMBER OF THE RUSSIAN INTELLIGENCE SERVICES' (2O24), pp. 1-14.

https://www.academia.edu/118123775/Francis_Bacon_the_Bacon_Bi_literal_Decipherments_of_General_Francois_Cartier_Head_of_the_French_Cipher_Intelligence_Service_the_Friedmans_and_a_work_written_by_a_Former_Member_of_the_Russian_Intelligence_Services

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4 hours ago, Allisnum2er said:

Hi friendsofidb,

If it can help, it seems that in fact this is "Les grands mystères du passé " by Decaux published in 1964 that includes a chapter on Shakespeare and Bacon.

The chapter seems to be entitled "Shakespeare était-il Shakespeare ?"

And I second Rob (Light-of-Truth) . Many thanks  for sharing your efforts with us.

Hi! Thank you very much! You are right, this is the right book, it's there and it's the original chapter. The book has been on the Internet Archive for some time. https://archive.org/details/isbn_9782277217244, page 132 of the book.

I'll fix the reference during the weekend or so. Thanks again.

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The latest (for now) article is opened in full translation: Skeletons in the Closet

It's relatively short.

On the one hand, it isn't related to Baconian or Shakespearean debates at all. It simply reveals what idb unexpectedly discovered while analyzing various materials related to WFF and Yardley, following accusations of their betrayal.

(It all started when we noticed that 5 pages were censored (as in, completely removed from the internet) from a particular issue of the CRYPTOLOGIA journal. Then, I quickly managed to find the original journal in paper form (in the US), bought it, and asked my intermediary in the US to send me photographs of those specific pages. For now, we can only present these photographs (slightly enhanced in photoshop for a better readability), because postal delivery times to Russia nowadays are somewhat... extended 🙂  PDF scans will have to wait. Although it's already shipped, I think I'll receive the shipment maybe in a month, if I'm lucky.) 

On the other hand, I do believe this episode it very important.

(Though it seems to me that idb wasn't as impressed as I was, perhaps because of his background...)

It vividly demonstrates:

- how the NSA censors the internet (and removes pages from online versions of respectable journals, if it needs to)
- how the NSA and so-called "independent" (and very famous!) historians work together to falsify the history of the NSA right in front of everyone's eyes, and either no one notices it or prefers not to notice it
- how, as I think, the history of many other characters or events, included those relevant to our investigations, is being falsified, how documents are buried, etc etc...

This time they almost succeeded. I like to think they failed because of us, but to be honest, I just hope it'll make some difference (maybe it will, if you spread the word). But it was just a coincidence (or not? is there even such a thing as a coincidence???) that we looked in that direction...

How many other facts of history they have already falsified in a similar manner? That's a rhetorical question.

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36 minutes ago, friendsofidb said:

This time they almost succeeded. I like to think they failed because of us, but to be honest, I just hope it'll make some difference (maybe it will, if you spread the word)...

Spy vs. Spy, but real life. Fascinating, and a good eye opener.

If I were young and starting my professional life I'd apply at NSA with a dream and a passion! 🙂

But I would be at risk to end up like Yardley and maybe many other invisible people who get erased and kicked to the curb. Life as a spy, oh my!

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Great article and great links published on April 9, 2024:

https://4in1.ws/articles/skeletons-in-the-closet/

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I lose track of what I’ve seen in AP's vast pantheon, so apols if this is already on the forum or in a paper/book by you AP. It’s from the Folger Library. It says it’s ’on the shelf’ and the link is highlighted. I don’t know if that means it is accessible to certain people? There is only one image. It is the precursor to Shakespeare Examined 

 

Ah okay, just read your new paper and it’s mentioned a few times. IMG_2321.jpeg.7cd3d245b379cefb6b66aa1e4114669e.jpeg
 

Also found this IMG_2325.jpeg.84352baa7affd1dacde30989e210719f.jpeg

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That’s certainly intriguing, Yann. What an eye you have!

There is something I want to say though, not to you specifically but to all. There has to be a reason why someone would encrypt anything. We could take many letters or documents from the era and find some incredible synchronicities if looking. It seems to be a factor of consciousness. Rather like Hen W on here is finding myriad links in distances using Google Maps. It defies logic and therefore is assumed to be design - but rarely actually is. I keep stressing how we have to be really careful about critical thinking/evaluation.

By way of example, my friend, Scott Onstott did an intriguing documentary around 2012 (I think it was then) called Secrets in Plain Sight. He found some unbelievable links between distances of monuments and sacred locations across the globe. Truly jaw-dropping. 

After Scott read my book we became friendly in 2021 and we got talking about this (ten years + on from his documentary) and we discussed how due to plate tectonics these values were precise when he was doing the measuring but would not have been so precise at the time of building these ancient monuments (he was using values to the degree, minute and second or fractions of an inch). Every conversation about it led to a discussion about the nature of reality and the role our consciousness plays. 
 

Obviously we arrived at no conclusion but “synchronicity’ and quantum entanglement was explored by Jung and Pauli. One book that recently came to my attention when looking at the Golden Ratio is 137 by Arthur I Miller.

There is no doubt that there is cipher and codes in books by Bacon - he tells us and Ashmole told us how they did it and Jonson in the poem you unearthed the other day, Trithemius, Agrippa, Dee, Kircher etc., etc but there’s also a lot of instances where what we find is just coincidence/synchronicity.  
 

IMO, discovering the line between the two, or at least keeping it in mind, should be a top priority. I often go down rabbit holes, get excited find numerous “clues” that assure me I must be on to something, but then consciously stop and check the reality of it, ie is it just coincidence rather than a cipher, leading me to discard ideas I once was all for. I wonder if this was part of the Friedman’s journey too.

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