Light-of-Truth Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 9 hours ago, Christie Waldman said: Have you all seen Charles Hamilton's book, In Search of Shakespeare: A Reconnaissance into the Poet's Life and Handwriting (San Diego: Harcourt Brace Jovanovich, 1985)? Just saw the cover. I see Bacon's distinctive style. https://archive.org/details/insearchofshakes0000hami Bacon wrote in a common script called "Secretary". There are tons of examples by countless scribes, but Bacon is unique and consistent in his beautiful way of laying ink on paper. I doubt there are any Elizabeth handwriting experts that have not already studied this, so maybe all we can do is ask for an expert consensus? 4 T A A A A A A A A A A A T 157 www.Light-of-Truth.com 287 <-- 1 8 8 1 1 O 1 1 8 8 1 --> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light-of-Truth Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 33 minutes ago, Eric Roberts said: Conjecture: we know that Francis had a small army of scribes to transcribe his drafts, presumably in "secretary" script. Likewise, Shaxper's will would have been transcribed in a similar style. Lambeth Palace Library has examples of Bacon's "rough" or first draft handwriting which is very different from the more finished secretary's handwriting: https://images.lambethpalacelibrary.org.uk/luna/servlet/detail/LPLIBLPL~17~17~25380~105743?sort=creator%2Ctype%2Cdate%2Ctitle&qvq=q:"francis bacon;sort:creator%2Ctype%2Cdate%2Ctitle;lc:LPLIBLPL~17~17&mi=11&trs=15 Yes indeed, Bacon's "secretary" is the standard, but few achieve that quality. 😉 https://archive.org/details/insearchofshakes0000hami EDIT: Super Bowl 2023 starting. I'm not a huge sports follower, but tonight have snacks and treats. Go Kansas City! I like the Arrowhead and have had good times in KC. 4 T A A A A A A A A A A A T 157 www.Light-of-Truth.com 287 <-- 1 8 8 1 1 O 1 1 8 8 1 --> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light-of-Truth Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Same book on the sleeve: https://archive.org/details/insearchofshakes0000hami/page/n1/mode/2up Willy wrote Bacon? 😉 1 2 T A A A A A A A A A A A T 157 www.Light-of-Truth.com 287 <-- 1 8 8 1 1 O 1 1 8 8 1 --> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Phoenix Posted February 13 Author Share Posted February 13 The Robe & The Symbol of the Phoenix The striking and remarkable robe worn by Queen Elizabeth in the portrait which is usually described as Persian is embroidered with interconnected motifs and symbols consisting of birds, snails, leaves, grapes, honey-suckle and red roses. The symbol of the red rose was regularly incorporated into portraits of Queen Elizabeth. The Tudor rose symbolised the united red rose of Lancaster with the white rose of York and was adopted as the national emblem of England. Seen in the design of the robe are three phoenixes, the mythical bird which never dies, but after every 400 years is consumed by fire and born again, making it a symbol of resurrection and re-birth. These three phoenixes immediately bring to mind the famous painting of Elizabeth, known as the ‘Phoenix’ portrait, after the prominent phoenix jewel worn on her chest, painted as a pair with the ‘Pelican’ portrait, attributed to Nicholas Hilliard, this was just before he travelled to France, where he painted in miniature, a young Francis Bacon. #ElizabethI #VirginQueen #RobertDudley #FrancisBacon #RobertDevereux #PregnancyPortrait #HamptonCourt #RoyStrong #FrancisCarr Paper https://www.academia.edu/45006558/The_Pregnancy_Portrait_of_Queen_Elizabeth_I_and_The_Secret_Royal_Birth_of_Francis_Bacon_Concealed_Author_of_the_Shakespeare_Works Part 1 https://youtu.be/AFSxRYGxgjk Part 2 https://youtu.be/HWpuy13KHiA 1 3 https://aphoenix1.academia.edu/ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrY7wzlXnZiT1Urwx7jP6fQ/videos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Phoenix Posted February 13 Author Share Posted February 13 The Phoenix & Pelican Portraits These three phoenixes immediately bring to mind the famous painting of Elizabeth, known as the ‘Phoenix’ portrait, after the prominent phoenix jewel worn on her chest, painted as a pair with the ‘Pelican’ portrait, attributed to Nicholas Hilliard, this was just before he travelled to France, where he painted in miniature, a young Francis Bacon. These famous portraits are two of the most recognisable paintings of Queen Elizabeth in all her royal splendour associated with the twin emblems of the phoenix and the pelican. #ElizabethI #VirginQueen #RobertDudley #FrancisBacon #RobertDevereux #PregnancyPortrait #HamptonCourt #RoyStrong #FrancisCarr Paper https://www.academia.edu/45006558/The_Pregnancy_Portrait_of_Queen_Elizabeth_I_and_The_Secret_Royal_Birth_of_Francis_Bacon_Concealed_Author_of_the_Shakespeare_Works Part 1 https://youtu.be/AFSxRYGxgjk Part 2 https://youtu.be/HWpuy13KHiA 2 2 https://aphoenix1.academia.edu/ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrY7wzlXnZiT1Urwx7jP6fQ/videos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Phoenix Posted February 13 Author Share Posted February 13 An Engraving of Queen Elizabeth Underneath a Phoenix Rising from the Flames of the Pyre #ElizabethI #VirginQueen #RobertDudley #FrancisBacon #RobertDevereux #PregnancyPortrait #HamptonCourt #RoyStrong #FrancisCarr Paper https://www.academia.edu/45006558/The_Pregnancy_Portrait_of_Queen_Elizabeth_I_and_The_Secret_Royal_Birth_of_Francis_Bacon_Concealed_Author_of_the_Shakespeare_Works Part 1 https://youtu.be/AFSxRYGxgjk Part 2 https://youtu.be/HWpuy13KHiA 1 4 https://aphoenix1.academia.edu/ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrY7wzlXnZiT1Urwx7jP6fQ/videos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Phoenix Posted February 13 Author Share Posted February 13 The Honeysuckle Represents Devotion and Love with the Grapes Symbolising Blessed Fertility Pointing to the Ability to Conceive and Produce Children. #ElizabethI #VirginQueen #RobertDudley #FrancisBacon #RobertDevereux #PregnancyPortrait #HamptonCourt #RoyStrong #FrancisCarr Paper https://www.academia.edu/45006558/The_Pregnancy_Portrait_of_Queen_Elizabeth_I_and_The_Secret_Royal_Birth_of_Francis_Bacon_Concealed_Author_of_the_Shakespeare_Works Part 1 https://youtu.be/AFSxRYGxgjk Part 2 https://youtu.be/HWpuy13KHiA 1 3 https://aphoenix1.academia.edu/ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrY7wzlXnZiT1Urwx7jP6fQ/videos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Phoenix Posted February 13 Author Share Posted February 13 The Curious Symbolism of the Fig In addition David Shakespeare identifies another curious image which occurs at least seven times in the pattern of the robe. 'It is striped with gold and green with a red section along one side that appears to represent a fig which is splitting to expose its centre. Interestingly in Greco-Roman culture (he tells us) the fig is associated with female genitalia and fertility. The Greek word for ‘fig’ is the same word for vulva (sykon)… The scroll frames the elements, and links the rings with tongues like leaves. Does this indicate a spoken oath of commitment between two people? At the centre are two figs, both splitting open. As symbols of fertility does this signify the birth of two offspring? Could it be interpreted in any other way? I rather think not.' The figs on the robe associated with the female reproductive organs and fertility, Elizabeth’s vulva and fertility, framed within the two rings (as we shall see symbolising the oath spoken at the secret marriage of Elizabeth and Leicester), splitting open signifying the birth of two offspring (Francis Bacon Tudor and Robert Devereux Tudor, Earl of Essex) are a symbolic echo of several references and allusions in the first Shakespeare poem Venus and Adonis first printed in 1593. #ElizabethI #VirginQueen #RobertDudley #FrancisBacon #RobertDevereux #PregnancyPortrait #HamptonCourt #RoyStrong #FrancisCarr Paper https://www.academia.edu/45006558/The_Pregnancy_Portrait_of_Queen_Elizabeth_I_and_The_Secret_Royal_Birth_of_Francis_Bacon_Concealed_Author_of_the_Shakespeare_Works Part 1 https://youtu.be/AFSxRYGxgjk Part 2 https://youtu.be/HWpuy13KHiA 3 https://aphoenix1.academia.edu/ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrY7wzlXnZiT1Urwx7jP6fQ/videos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christie Waldman Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 As to "transcribed": a Will was not necessarily "transcribed" from a "testator's" written drafts, but most likely from dictation and drafted by the lawyer or clerk. We've read of how Bacon's scribes took so much dictation from him, even using a kind of shorthand. It's all fascinating! I am not recommending Charles Hamilton's book, to be clear. I am surprised it is so often cited. Maureen Ward-Gandy's report has been ignored for the most part, just as the play fragment has been. As we've seen, evidence of a Bacon-Shakespeare connection tends to get ignored. Ward-Gandy certainly had the credentials, experience, and well-earned professional reputation. You don't have to look just at the way the letters are formed but at the content as well, as I tried to make a first start at in my book. Sure, a person's writing style can vary over time. At least Bacon had a writing style we can study! Unlike Shaxpere. Sorry--this may be all the time I have for this right now. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence Gerald Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 I met Charles Hamilton in Berkeley, CA at some event a few months before he passed away in 1996. I found him to be quite full of himself and certainly knew very little about William Shakespeare and even less about Francis Bacon as do all biased Stratfordian leaning writers. As you state Eric, "trying to make his data fit his Stratfordian theory, " which compromises his reputation as any kind of respected authority. Bacon would have described Hamilton as the embodiment of The Four Idols of the Marketplace. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Phoenix Posted February 14 Author Share Posted February 14 The Concealed Intimate Relationship Between Bacon & Southampton As all Shakespeare scholars and the rest of the Shakespeare world knows, Venus and Adonis is dedicated to Henry Wriothesely, 3rd Earl of Southampton. What is not well-known is that prior to the dedication prefixed to the Shakespeare poem Venus and Adonis, Henry Wriothesely, 3rd Earl of Southampton resided with Francis Bacon at Gray’s Inn, where Southampton was admitted on 6 June 1588. Southampton was reputed to be the most beautiful young man in the kingdom and was only all too happy to flaunt his bi-sexuality. During his time at Gray’s Inn he had an affair with Bacon which was still continuing when Bacon dedicated Venus and Adonis to Southampton. #ElizabethI #VirginQueen #RobertDudley #FrancisBacon #RobertDevereux #PregnancyPortrait #HamptonCourt #RoyStrong #FrancisCarr Paper https://www.academia.edu/45006558/The_Pregnancy_Portrait_of_Queen_Elizabeth_I_and_The_Secret_Royal_Birth_of_Francis_Bacon_Concealed_Author_of_the_Shakespeare_Works Part 1 https://youtu.be/AFSxRYGxgjk Part 2 https://youtu.be/HWpuy13KHiA 1 1 https://aphoenix1.academia.edu/ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrY7wzlXnZiT1Urwx7jP6fQ/videos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Phoenix Posted February 14 Author Share Posted February 14 This Later Portrait by Nicholas Hilliard of the Earl of Southampton Also Captures his Youthful Beauty and His Ambiguous Sexuality #ElizabethI #VirginQueen #RobertDudley #FrancisBacon #RobertDevereux #PregnancyPortrait #HamptonCourt #RoyStrong #FrancisCarr Paper https://www.academia.edu/45006558/The_Pregnancy_Portrait_of_Queen_Elizabeth_I_and_The_Secret_Royal_Birth_of_Francis_Bacon_Concealed_Author_of_the_Shakespeare_Works Part 1 https://youtu.be/AFSxRYGxgjk Part 2 https://youtu.be/HWpuy13KHiA 4 https://aphoenix1.academia.edu/ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrY7wzlXnZiT1Urwx7jP6fQ/videos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Phoenix Posted February 14 Author Share Posted February 14 The Androgynous Earl of Southampton Due to the feminine appearance of the sitter, the first painting was originally believed to be a portrait of a woman. This has now been identified as the earliest known portrait of an androgynous-looking Earl of Southampton showing him around the time his lover Bacon dedicated his Shakespeare poem Venus and Adonis to him. #ElizabethI #VirginQueen #RobertDudley #FrancisBacon #RobertDevereux #PregnancyPortrait #HamptonCourt #RoyStrong #FrancisCarr Paper https://www.academia.edu/45006558/The_Pregnancy_Portrait_of_Queen_Elizabeth_I_and_The_Secret_Royal_Birth_of_Francis_Bacon_Concealed_Author_of_the_Shakespeare_Works Part 1 https://youtu.be/AFSxRYGxgjk Part 2 https://youtu.be/HWpuy13KHiA 3 https://aphoenix1.academia.edu/ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrY7wzlXnZiT1Urwx7jP6fQ/videos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Phoenix Posted February 14 Author Share Posted February 14 Bacon's Intimate Dedication of Venus and Adonis to the Earl of Southampton The narrative poem Venus and Adonis published in 1593 marks the first appearance in print of the name, or more accurately the pseudonym William Shakespeare, which is printed below the dedication to the Earl of Southampton, above which stands Bacon’s enigmatic AA headpiece. The poem of Venus and Adonis has also often been associated with Queen Elizabeth. #ElizabethI #VirginQueen #RobertDudley #FrancisBacon #RobertDevereux #PregnancyPortrait #HamptonCourt #RoyStrong #FrancisCarr Paper https://www.academia.edu/45006558/The_Pregnancy_Portrait_of_Queen_Elizabeth_I_and_The_Secret_Royal_Birth_of_Francis_Bacon_Concealed_Author_of_the_Shakespeare_Works Part 1 https://youtu.be/AFSxRYGxgjk Part 2 https://youtu.be/HWpuy13KHiA 3 https://aphoenix1.academia.edu/ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrY7wzlXnZiT1Urwx7jP6fQ/videos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Roberts Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 1 hour ago, A Phoenix said: The Concealed Intimate Relationship Between Bacon & Southampton As all Shakespeare scholars and the rest of the Shakespeare world knows, Venus and Adonis is dedicated to Henry Wriothesely, 3rd Earl of Southampton. What is not well-known is that prior to the dedication prefixed to the Shakespeare poem Venus and Adonis, Henry Wriothesely, 3rd Earl of Southampton resided with Francis Bacon at Gray’s Inn, where Southampton was admitted on 6 June 1588. Southampton was reputed to be the most beautiful young man in the kingdom and was only all too happy to flaunt his bi-sexuality. During his time at Gray’s Inn he had an affair with Bacon which was still continuing when Bacon dedicated Venus and Adonis to Southampton. #ElizabethI #VirginQueen #RobertDudley #FrancisBacon #RobertDevereux #PregnancyPortrait #HamptonCourt #RoyStrong #FrancisCarr Paper https://www.academia.edu/45006558/The_Pregnancy_Portrait_of_Queen_Elizabeth_I_and_The_Secret_Royal_Birth_of_Francis_Bacon_Concealed_Author_of_the_Shakespeare_Works Part 1 https://youtu.be/AFSxRYGxgjk Part 2 https://youtu.be/HWpuy13KHiA "During his time at Gray’s Inn he had an affair with Bacon": is this documented anywhere or is it inferred from letters/dedications to Henry by Francis? Here he is in his mid-40s, c.1618: 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Phoenix Posted February 14 Author Share Posted February 14 Hi Eric, The evidence for the close and intimate relationship is drawn from a range of sources of varying weight and substance. These include contemporary accounts in printed works attesting or pointing to the bi-sexuality of both FB and Southampton, various contemporary letters, including letters from Lady Anne Bacon, textual evidence and analysis, including the intimate dedications addressed to Southampton prefixed to Shakespeare poems Venus and Adonis (1593) and The Rape of Lucrece (1594), the various Sonnets, various paintings that appear to convey Southampton’s ambiguous sexuality, and a letter from FB to Southampton that may be interpreted as alluding to their previous close and intimate relationship. SOME BACKGROUND: The Earl of Southampton and Robert Devereux were wards of court raised by FB’s nominal uncle Sir William Cecil at Cecil House on the Strand a stone throw from York House the official residence of Lord Keeper Sir Nicholas Bacon where FB partly grew up and both the Cecils and Bacons had country seats close to each other in the county of Hertfordshire. It goes without saying that they would have known each other very well even before Southampton came to stay at Gray’s Inn. Southampton was also an avid theatre goer and was present at many of the masques and entertainments at Gray’s Inn organised and written by FB. In the 1590s FB and Anthony Bacon headed the English Secret Service out of Essex House the London residence of the Earl of Essex, then acting as some kind of de facto Foreign Secretary, a circle which included the Earl of Southampton, where for at least the first few years there is good reason to believe that their secret/private relationship continued to flourish. As they lived in close proximity for long periods of time there would be little reason to write to each other. They would also see each other regularly because of the close circle of friends that they mixed in. Secondly it is highly improbable that they would commit anything intimate to print as the sanctions were harsh and even if they did these letters would have been burnt and never have survived. Bacon did however commit his intimate thoughts regarding their relationship to paper in the dedications to Venus and Adonis and Rape of Lucrece poems and in very intimate detail in the Sonnets which served as a kind of personal diary and textual record documenting their intimate relationship. Themes and events alluded to therein relate very closely to Bacon and Southampton’s lives. We have included a previous post quoting in full the letter from FB to Southampton below. 3 https://aphoenix1.academia.edu/ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrY7wzlXnZiT1Urwx7jP6fQ/videos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Roberts Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 14 minutes ago, A Phoenix said: Hi Eric, The evidence for the close and intimate relationship is drawn from a range of sources of varying weight and substance. These include contemporary accounts in printed works attesting or pointing to the bi-sexuality of both FB and Southampton, various contemporary letters, including letters from Lady Anne Bacon, textual evidence and analysis, including the intimate dedications addressed to Southampton prefixed to Shakespeare poems Venus and Adonis (1593) and The Rape of Lucrece (1594) the various Sonnets, various paintings that appear to convey Southampton’s ambiguous sexuality, and a letter from FB to Southampton that may be interpreted as alluding to their previous close and intimate relationship. SOME BACKGROUND: The Earl of Southampton and Robert Devereux were wards of court raised by FB’s nominal uncle Sir William Cecil at Cecil House on the Strand a stone throw from York House the official residence of Lord Keeper Sir Nicholas Bacon where FB partly grew up and both the Cecils and Bacons had country seats close to each other in the county of Hertfordshire. It goes without saying that they would have known each other very well even before Southampton came to stay at Gray’s Inn. Southampton was also an avid theatre goer and was present at many of the masques and entertainments at Gray’s Inn organised and written by FB. In the 1590s FB and Anthony Bacon headed the English Secret Service out of Essex House the London residence of the Earl of Essex, then acting as some kind of de facto Foreign Secretary, a circle which included the Earl of Southampton, where for at least the first few years there is good reason to believe that their secret/private relationship continued to flourish. As they lived in close proximity for long periods of time there would be little reason to write to each other. They would also see each other regularly because of the close circle of friends that they mixed in. Secondly it is highly improbable that they would commit anything intimate to print as the sanctions were harsh and even if they did these letters would have been burnt and never have survived. Bacon did however commit his intimate thoughts regarding their relationship to paper in the dedications to Venus and Adonis and Rape of Lucrece poems and in very intimate detail in the Sonnets which in a sense served as a kind of personal diary and textual document documenting their intimate relationship. Themes and events discussed relate very closely to Bacon and Southampton’s lives. We have included a previous post quoting in full the letter from FB to Southampton below. Hi A.Phoenix. Thank you so much for your unexpected, comprehensive response to my question. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Phoenix Posted February 15 Author Share Posted February 15 Dr Anne Whitlocke the Recognised Authority on Queen Elizabeth and the Elizabethan Period #ElizabethI #VirginQueen #RobertDudley #FrancisBacon #RobertDevereux #PregnancyPortrait #HamptonCourt #RoyStrong #FrancisCarr Paper https://www.academia.edu/45006558/The_Pregnancy_Portrait_of_Queen_Elizabeth_I_and_The_Secret_Royal_Birth_of_Francis_Bacon_Concealed_Author_of_the_Shakespeare_Works Part 1 https://youtu.be/AFSxRYGxgjk Part 2 https://youtu.be/HWpuy13KHiA 2 https://aphoenix1.academia.edu/ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrY7wzlXnZiT1Urwx7jP6fQ/videos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Phoenix Posted February 15 Author Share Posted February 15 Elizabethan Politics & Sexuality #ElizabethI #VirginQueen #RobertDudley #FrancisBacon #RobertDevereux #PregnancyPortrait #HamptonCourt #RoyStrong #FrancisCarr Paper https://www.academia.edu/45006558/The_Pregnancy_Portrait_of_Queen_Elizabeth_I_and_The_Secret_Royal_Birth_of_Francis_Bacon_Concealed_Author_of_the_Shakespeare_Works Part 1 https://youtu.be/AFSxRYGxgjk Part 2 https://youtu.be/HWpuy13KHiA 2 https://aphoenix1.academia.edu/ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrY7wzlXnZiT1Urwx7jP6fQ/videos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Phoenix Posted February 15 Author Share Posted February 15 Symbols of Knowlege & Wisdom The figure of Queen Elizabeth in her Persian robe is standing beneath a walnut tree, known as a Persian walnut which in Elizabethan times was referred to as a Royal tree. The Royal walnut tree is a symbol of knowledge and wisdom (these being the subjects of Bacon’s Advancement of Learning and The Wisdom of the Ancients). On the branches of the tree, Sir Roy Strong points out that at the top to the right there are two small birds with peachy pink breasts, namely chaffinches which David Shakespeare believes may signify two young men. With photographic enhancement David Shakespeare has also identified a songbird perched on a branch, signifying a songbird in a sole Arabian tree that is of some very special importance. In 1601 (for some about the date of the portrait) a long allegorical poem was issued by a little known Robert Chester entitled Love’s Martyr together with a collection of shorter poems by other poets including the Shakespeare poem called The Phoenix and the Turtle: #ElizabethI #VirginQueen #RobertDudley #FrancisBacon #RobertDevereux #PregnancyPortrait #HamptonCourt #RoyStrong #FrancisCarr Paper https://www.academia.edu/45006558/The_Pregnancy_Portrait_of_Queen_Elizabeth_I_and_The_Secret_Royal_Birth_of_Francis_Bacon_Concealed_Author_of_the_Shakespeare_Works Part 1 https://youtu.be/AFSxRYGxgjk Part 2 https://youtu.be/HWpuy13KHiA 3 https://aphoenix1.academia.edu/ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrY7wzlXnZiT1Urwx7jP6fQ/videos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Phoenix Posted February 15 Author Share Posted February 15 The Phoenix & the Turtle The 67th line (incidentally 67=Francis in simple cipher) the allegorical Shakespeare poem tells the story of a mystical love between two birds-the turtle a symbol of fidelity and the mythical phoenix emblem of immortality. The poem mourns the death of the phoenix and the turtle and its theme of the mutual flame explores the complexity of the mystical union of the two dead birds. It is the most obscure of the Shakespeare poems and as Dr Hackett argues it ‘incites deciphering’ with many attempting to decode the allegory via references to historical figures. The phoenix is usually interpreted to represent Queen Elizabeth and numerous scholars believe the poem alludes to the relationship between Elizabeth and the Earl of Essex and the events that lie behind the Essex rebellion and his execution in 1601. Or the turtle may partly shadow Robert Dudley with whom Elizabeth had two royal sons. Some scholars have interpreted the child given birth to by the phoenix (a new phoenix) as a reference to Elizabeth’s heir James I, which of course is clearly wrong as Elizabeth was alive in 1601. In the poem the phoenix represents Elizabeth and her heir. In its Threnos Bacon laments that she leaves no open posterity, meaning himself her concealed child, and unacknowledged heir to the throne of England: #ElizabethI #VirginQueen #RobertDudley #FrancisBacon #RobertDevereux #PregnancyPortrait #HamptonCourt #RoyStrong #FrancisCarr Paper https://www.academia.edu/45006558/The_Pregnancy_Portrait_of_Queen_Elizabeth_I_and_The_Secret_Royal_Birth_of_Francis_Bacon_Concealed_Author_of_the_Shakespeare_Works Part 1 https://youtu.be/AFSxRYGxgjk Part 2 https://youtu.be/HWpuy13KHiA 3 https://aphoenix1.academia.edu/ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrY7wzlXnZiT1Urwx7jP6fQ/videos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Phoenix Posted February 15 Author Share Posted February 15 The Profound Mystery of the Phoenix & the Turtle #ElizabethI #VirginQueen #RobertDudley #FrancisBacon #RobertDevereux #PregnancyPortrait #HamptonCourt #RoyStrong #FrancisCarr Paper https://www.academia.edu/45006558/The_Pregnancy_Portrait_of_Queen_Elizabeth_I_and_The_Secret_Royal_Birth_of_Francis_Bacon_Concealed_Author_of_the_Shakespeare_Works Part 1 https://youtu.be/AFSxRYGxgjk Part 2 https://youtu.be/HWpuy13KHiA 3 https://aphoenix1.academia.edu/ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrY7wzlXnZiT1Urwx7jP6fQ/videos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Phoenix Posted February 15 Author Share Posted February 15 The Double Phoenix of Queen Elizabeth & her Concealed Son Francis Bacon In the climax to the closing scene of his Shakespeare play Henry VIII Bacon puts in the mouth of Cranmer a great speech in which he prophesises that the baby Princess Elizabeth, although described as a ‘maiden phoenix’ shall leave behind her a son and heir. The speech doubles as a veiled record of the state secret that the so-called Virgin Queen carried a royal child, as conveyed in the Pregnancy Portrait at Hampton Court, and gave birth to a concealed heir, Bacon-Shakespeare, ‘as great in fame as she was’: #ElizabethI #VirginQueen #RobertDudley #FrancisBacon #RobertDevereux #PregnancyPortrait #HamptonCourt #RoyStrong #FrancisCarr Paper https://www.academia.edu/45006558/The_Pregnancy_Portrait_of_Queen_Elizabeth_I_and_The_Secret_Royal_Birth_of_Francis_Bacon_Concealed_Author_of_the_Shakespeare_Works Part 1 https://youtu.be/AFSxRYGxgjk Part 2 https://youtu.be/HWpuy13KHiA 2 2 https://aphoenix1.academia.edu/ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrY7wzlXnZiT1Urwx7jP6fQ/videos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Roberts Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 1 hour ago, A Phoenix said: Dr Anne Whitlocke the Recognised Authority on Queen Elizabeth and the Elizabethan Period #ElizabethI #VirginQueen #RobertDudley #FrancisBacon #RobertDevereux #PregnancyPortrait #HamptonCourt #RoyStrong #FrancisCarr Paper https://www.academia.edu/45006558/The_Pregnancy_Portrait_of_Queen_Elizabeth_I_and_The_Secret_Royal_Birth_of_Francis_Bacon_Concealed_Author_of_the_Shakespeare_Works Part 1 https://youtu.be/AFSxRYGxgjk Part 2 https://youtu.be/HWpuy13KHiA Hi A.P. The quotation from "Venus and Adonis" is EXQUISITE. I mean in terms of erotic poetry these four lines have to be among the finest. To me the voice sounds like the Eternal Feminine (Venus herself) written by F.B. in his mid-thirties (?). He seems to have possessed an unsurpassed ability to inhabit his characters, a rare ability to "live" within any imaginary character one chooses to dream of. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Roberts Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 2 hours ago, A Phoenix said: The Profound Mystery of the Phoenix & the Turtle #ElizabethI #VirginQueen #RobertDudley #FrancisBacon #RobertDevereux #PregnancyPortrait #HamptonCourt #RoyStrong #FrancisCarr Paper https://www.academia.edu/45006558/The_Pregnancy_Portrait_of_Queen_Elizabeth_I_and_The_Secret_Royal_Birth_of_Francis_Bacon_Concealed_Author_of_the_Shakespeare_Works Part 1 https://youtu.be/AFSxRYGxgjk Part 2 https://youtu.be/HWpuy13KHiA Thank you, A P, for this breath-taking extract from the Phoenix and the Turtle. Very koan-like, wouldn't you say? Compressed truth in the fewest possible words. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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