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I was studying the Stratford effigy the other day when a thought struck me:

The design puts the effigy under an arch of roses. The phrase sub rosa meant secrecy.

The middle rose is the 4th, from either side of the arch, so directly above the head is the number 4.

In line with, and below that rose are 29 buttons.

Why 29? Because they are the numerical equivalents of the initials of Ben Ionson.

It can be shown that the same number is designed into row 1 of the so-called "cursed" tomb.

Back to those buttons: they seem a bit excessive to hold a tunic in place, perhaps they are a hint at something else? Something that cannot be seen? Something behind the effigy?

It has NO BACK: could this hint at BACON K? where "Kay" is mentioned by Bacon in regard to "Ciphars"?

Or perhaps the column of 29 buttons were meant to hint at something else to do with the back: the spinal column:

It seems that a healthy human is born with 33 vertebrae.

Now back on to that column of 29 buttons set under that 4th rose:

                                              29 + 4 = 33.

Altogether, in the number of Bacon, we have 4, 29 :  "Dee" and I.B.

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The big problem as I see things, a vertebrae is a column of bones. I see two skulls in the monument, and I get the Bacon-Dee-Jonson Rosicrucian thing, but is there any reference anywhere to "bones" related to that subject? Did a skull and crossed bones symbolize the RC?

 

 

 

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8 hours ago, peethagoras said:

The big problem as I see things, a vertebrae is a column of bones. I see two skulls in the monument, and I get the Bacon-Dee-Jonson Rosicrucian thing, but is there any reference anywhere to "bones" related to that subject? Did a skull and crossed bones symbolize the RC?

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https://archive.org/details/EvangelicaeHistoriaeImagines/page/n139/mode/2up?view=theater

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https://archive.org/details/EvangelicaeHistoriaeImagines/page/n141/mode/2up?view=theater

(Notice the placement of the 5 men around the Christ.)

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2 hours ago, Allisnum2er said:

 

https://archive.org/details/EvangelicaeHistoriaeImagines/page/n141/mode/2up?view=theater

(Notice the placement of the 5 men around the Christ.)

I love these old book with images!

So number 33 is curious. I don't speak or know Latin. The guy with the hat and cape is not Bacon, but a man with a hat and cape. He appears to be trying to comfort or help the other guy who has no hat or cape, in fact wearing tattered cloth. But can anyone tell me what is going on where I point an arrow??

https://archive.org/details/EvangelicaeHistoriaeImagines/page/n42/mode/1up

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13 hours ago, Allisnum2er said:

Notice the placement of the 5 men around the Christ

Yes Allisnum2er and thanks: I see the 5 men, not sure what to say here except that the labels set under that image indicate the first 5 letters of the alphabet:

Noting the sign on the cross: I N R I and considering our modern abc, which as you know, was derived from it, set it out as a 3 row by 9 table and you will see a cross in the center made from NEW (in column 5) crossed by J N R J (using the same J):
      

ABCDEFGHI

JKLMNOPQR

STUVWXYZ

         But what do you make of them?

I also see the skull and single bone, but I don't think there's any RC connection, I think they are meant to represent Golgatha: place of the skull on Mount Calvary.

On a lighter note, the horse in the front does not agree with the three crucifixions: neigh, neigh neigh.

 

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10 hours ago, Light-of-Truth said:

But can anyone tell me what is going on where I point an arrow??

Hi LOT.

Seems that the man on the left is some kind of doctor bleeding the sitting man.

I detect also the signs of Free Masonry: bared breast and thigh.

But do you see 33 in there?

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6 hours ago, peethagoras said:

Yes Allisnum2er and thanks: I see the 5 men, not sure what to say here except that the labels set under that image indicate the first 5 letters of the alphabet:

Noting the sign on the cross: I N R I and considering our modern abc, which as you know, was derived from it, set it out as a 3 row by 9 table and you will see a cross in the center made from NEW (in column 5) crossed by J N R J (using the same J):
      

ABCDEFGHI

JKLMNOPQR

STUVWXYZ

         But what do you make of them?

I also see the skull and single bone, but I don't think there's any RC connection, I think they are meant to represent Golgatha: place of the skull on Mount Calvary.

On a lighter note, the horse in the front does not agree with the three crucifixions: neigh, neigh neigh.

 

Hi Peethagoras,

You asked if there was a link between the Skull, the bones and the RC.

It shows you the link between the Skull, the bones and the Cross. (The Skull being the one of Adam)

Here are some ideas that I have already shared by the past.

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https://books.google.fr/books?id=YXtSAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA222-IA2&hl=fr&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=1#v=onepage&q&f=false

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And in the 2nd image that I shared (with the 5 men around the Christ), I see the Cross and the Rose of Venus.

(Do I have to draw a picture ? 🙂 )

https://briankoberlein.com/post/rose-of-venus/

Rob, Emblem 33 represents the Parable of the Good Samaritan.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke 10%3A25-37&version=NIV

 

 

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On 2/15/2024 at 6:05 PM, Allisnum2er said:

And in the 2nd image that I shared (with the 5 men around the Christ), I see the Cross and the Rose of Venus.

Yes indeed I do see it: the five men act as 5 petals of the Dog rose. Excellent spotting Allisnum2er, you have a keen eye and the wit to grasp things side-on. But the skull ? Adam's skull? Could you perhaps cast a little lux?

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On 2/15/2024 at 6:05 PM, Allisnum2er said:

(The Skull being the one of Adam)

Yes I see it. I was looking at the later image you posted. A skull and single bone, plus the cross of course.

Thanks for that info, it is very much appreciated.

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About Adam's skull:

https://golgotha.site/adams-skull/

I see a link with page 277 of Hamlet.

277 = 100 (FRANCIS BACON) + 177 (WILLIAM SHAKESPEARE)

https://internetshakespeare.uvic.ca/Library/facsimile/book/SLNSW_F1/785/index.html%3fzoom=1275.html

And I have already shared my thoughts and the fruits of my research on this page and its link ,in my view, with Shakespeare's monument, in another topic.

image.png.83a174b18561b8c50c971c556e0938e6.pngAbout the harrowing of Hell :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrowing_of_Hell

"For just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the sea monster,

so for three days and three nights the Son of Man will be in the heart of the earth."

Matthew 12:40

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21 minutes ago, Allisnum2er said:

About Adam's skull:

https://golgotha.site/adams-skull/

I see a link with page 277 of Hamlet.

277 = 100 (FRANCIS BACON) + 177 (WILLIAM SHAKESPEARE)

https://internetshakespeare.uvic.ca/Library/facsimile/book/SLNSW_F1/785/index.html%3fzoom=1275.html

And I have already shared my thoughts and the fruits of my research on this page and its link ,in my view, with Shakespeare's monument, in another topic.

image.png.83a174b18561b8c50c971c556e0938e6.pngAbout the harrowing of Hell :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrowing_of_Hell

"For just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the sea monster,

so for three days and three nights the Son of Man will be in the heart of the earth."

Matthew 12:40

Hi Yann

I'm no esotericist, but your quotation from Mathew reminded me of... Osiris, the Ramayana, Persephone, Eurydice, the cult of the Black Virgin, etc. "Die before you die," said Jalal al-Din Rumi.

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2 hours ago, Eric Roberts said:

Hi Yann

I'm no esotericist, but your quotation from Mathew reminded me of... Osiris, the Ramayana, Persephone, Eurydice, the cult of the Black Virgin, etc. "Die before you die," said Jalal al-Din Rumi.

I am so forgetful these days... on the subject of the Nigredo, "the dark night of the Soul", etc. how could I have forgotten to add the last line of Sonnet 146

 

Sonnet 146: Poor soul, the centre of my sinful earth,

BY WILLIAM SHAKESPEARE / FRANCIS BACON

Poor soul, the centre of my sinful earth, 

[......] these rebel powers that thee array, 

Why dost thou pine within and suffer dearth, 

Painting thy outward walls so costly gay? 

Why so large cost, having so short a lease, 

Dost thou upon thy fading mansion spend? 

Shall worms, inheritors of this excess, 

Eat up thy charge? Is this thy body's end? 

Then soul, live thou upon thy servant's loss 

And let that pine to aggravate thy store; 

Buy terms divine in selling hours of dross; 

Within be fed, without be rich no more. 

So shalt thou feed on Death, that feeds on men, 

And, Death once dead, there's no more dying then.

 

 

 

 

 

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13 minutes ago, Eric Roberts said:

I am so forgetful these days... on the subject of the Nigredo, "the dark night of the Soul", etc. how could I have forgotten to add the last line of Sonnet 146

 

Sonnet 146: Poor soul, the centre of my sinful earth,

BY WILLIAM SHAKESPEARE / FRANCIS BACON

Poor soul, the centre of my sinful earth, 

[......] these rebel powers that thee array, 

Why dost thou pine within and suffer dearth, 

Painting thy outward walls so costly gay? 

Why so large cost, having so short a lease, 

Dost thou upon thy fading mansion spend? 

Shall worms, inheritors of this excess, 

Eat up thy charge? Is this thy body's end? 

Then soul, live thou upon thy servant's loss 

And let that pine to aggravate thy store; 

Buy terms divine in selling hours of dross; 

Within be fed, without be rich no more. 

So shalt thou feed on Death, that feeds on men, 

And, Death once dead, there's no more dying then.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Question to A Phoenix. Can this extraordinary sonnet be dated, even roughly? 

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2 hours ago, A Phoenix said:

Hi Eric,

The dating of the Sonnets is still problematic, controversial, disputed and undetermined. 

Perhaps, Rob might be able to shed some light. 

Sorry, I probably couldn't help on dating the Sonnets. My entire focus has been in the 1609 edition.

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