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Just posted on social media about the printer’s device on New Atlantis. Thanks to the book Eric posted that I believe AP first mentioned (I’ve lost track) I now see that the 1554 device has differences in the way the motto is laid out on the New Atlantis cover. Also the scythe is pointing to the other direction. Both are by Richard Smith as there’s a small RS on the early one too but I wonder if we should look more closely due to this left right switch and rearrangement of the motto. Is it just artistic licence or something else? Has anyone looked into this?  Top one is 1554 according to the book. Why split the word Tempore?IMG_1175.jpeg.519295cd97b06f57caf35d82dd27f70c.jpegIMG_1172.jpeg.7401140f299f8bfa8289d6c7d7fa8cf4.jpeg

 

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1 hour ago, Kate said:

Just posted on social media about the printer’s device on New Atlantis. Thanks to the book Eric posted that I believe AP first mentioned (I’ve lost track) I now see that the 1554 device has differences in the way the motto is laid out on the New Atlantis cover. Also the scythe is pointing to the other direction. Both are by Richard Smith as there’s a small RS on the early one too but I wonder if we should look more closely due to this left right switch and rearrangement of the motto. Is it just artistic licence or something else? Has anyone looked into this?  Top one is 1554 according to the book. Why split the word Tempore?IMG_1175.jpeg.519295cd97b06f57caf35d82dd27f70c.jpegIMG_1172.jpeg.7401140f299f8bfa8289d6c7d7fa8cf4.jpeg

 

Hi Kate

The two changes that you point out look like artistic revision to me, as they don't alter the significance of the image.

Happy to be contradicted.

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2 hours ago, A Phoenix said:
The Smoking Gun of the True Authorship of the Shakespeare Works - Francis Bacon and his Unique Copy of the 1587 edition of Holinshed’s Chronicles with Marginal Annotations in his own hand alongside passages used for his Shakespeare Plays

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Hi AP

Thanks for repeating these insights into the "long word" (which I can finally say without looking at the spelling) and "Love's Labour's Lost". This time, I get it. How typical and clever to conceal your signature with a gag, a joke, a riddle - without the use of cipher. Just wit. To me, this is primary evidence of authorship by Bacon.

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3 hours ago, A Phoenix said:
The Smoking Gun of the True Authorship of the Shakespeare Works - Francis Bacon and his Unique Copy of the 1587 edition of Holinshed’s Chronicles with Marginal Annotations in his own hand alongside passages used for his Shakespeare Plays

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https://archive.org/details/bim_eighteenth-century_letters-and-remains-of-t_bacon-francis_1734/mode/2up

 

 

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3 hours ago, A Phoenix said:
The Smoking Gun of the True Authorship of the Shakespeare Works - Francis Bacon and his Unique Copy of the 1587 edition of Holinshed’s Chronicles with Marginal Annotations in his own hand alongside passages used for his Shakespeare Plays

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I can't find "Of Tribute" online, which is odd...

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42 minutes ago, Eric Roberts said:

Hi Kate

The two changes that you point out look like artistic revision to me, as they don't alter the significance of the image.

Happy to be contradicted.

I’ve just been looking through another treasure of a link http://www.symbolforschung.ch/buchdruckerzeichen.html

This has masses of links within it which would take a long time to explore, but I think you are right. I found this one and although different you can see the motto is split on the left so it probably has no significance when we see that done.

There is a Shakespeare cover in here.

I wonder why we don’t spend more time looking through Latin and German texts in general because if Shakespeare did exist  as the playwright/poet Stratfordians claim, then the references in those may offer an undiscovered key. Surely people would have been more commonly writing in Latin, even in England.  People in Germany would have been talking about his plays - pre 1623IMG_1180.jpeg.02e3d1bf47ee5591354204ad1da89459.jpeg

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17 minutes ago, Eric Roberts said:

This is the first in a trove of letters from Francis Bacon's "Remains" addressed to Henry Frederick, Prince of Wales, accompanying a copy of his newly published Essays. It's interesting to listen how Francis in his persona of teacher-uncle, flatters the youth, but at the same time instructs him.

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26 minutes ago, Eric Roberts said:

I can't find "Of Tribute" online, which is odd...

Hi Eric,

Of Tribute is in Brian Vickers 1996 work Francis Bacon A Critical Edition of the Major Works. You should be able to pick one up quite reasonably in paperback - it's a great book.

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8 minutes ago, Eric Roberts said:

Before I knock off tonight I just want to say Three Cheers for Rob Fowler  for creating this brilliant forum. It's a dream come true.

Thank you Eric! It's definitely my favorite place to be when I have time. 🙂

Thank you and everybody for participating so we can keep it going! We've collected an amazing volume of Baconian information and ideas.

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19 minutes ago, A Phoenix said:

Hi Eric,

Of Tribute is in Brian Vickers 1996 work Francis Bacon A Critical Edition of the Major Works. You should be able to pick one up quite reasonably in paperback - it's a great book.

Here's a little info:

https://celm-ms.org.uk/authors/baconfrancis.html#northumberland-alnwick-castle_id350360

Of Tribute, or Giving What is Due

The third and fourth speeches first published in Letters and Remains of the Lord Chancellor Bacon, ed. Robert Stephens (London, 1734). Spedding, VIII, 123-43. A defective text of the whole entertainment, with missing text conjecturally supplied, published as A Conference of Pleasure, composed for some festive occasion about the year 1592 by Francis Bacon, ed. James Spedding (London, 1870). Full text edited in Francis Bacon: A Critical Edition of the Major Works, ed. Brian Vickers (Oxford, 1996), pp. 22-51.

BcF 319

Copy of the complete entertainment, headed ‘Mr ffra: Bacon of tribute or giuing that wch is due’, imperfect, lacking portions of every leaf.

In: the MS described under BcF 61. c.1597.

Duke of Northumberland, Alnwick Castle, MS 525, pp. 3-25.

BcF 320

Copy of the complete entertainment, in a professional secretary hand, with corrections in another hand, headed ‘Tribuit or Givinge that wch is due’; inscribed in the second hand ‘printed by F B. in edibus Georgij fistuli’.

In: the MS described under BcF 135. c.1595-1620s.

Edited from this MS in Vickers.

Meisei University, MR 0840, pp. 63-100.

BcF 321

Copy of the third and fourth speeches, namely ‘Mr Bacon in prayse of knowledge’ and ‘Mr Bacons Discourse in the praise of his Soueraigne’), in a professional secretary hand. c.1590s.

In: the MS described under BcF 75.5.

Edited from this MS in Stephens (1734) and in Spedding, VIII, 123-43.

British Library, Harley MS 6797, ff. 47r-v, 48v-52v.

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2 minutes ago, Light-of-Truth said:

Here's a little info:

https://celm-ms.org.uk/authors/baconfrancis.html#northumberland-alnwick-castle_id350360

Of Tribute, or Giving What is Due

The third and fourth speeches first published in Letters and Remains of the Lord Chancellor Bacon, ed. Robert Stephens (London, 1734). Spedding, VIII, 123-43. A defective text of the whole entertainment, with missing text conjecturally supplied, published as A Conference of Pleasure, composed for some festive occasion about the year 1592 by Francis Bacon, ed. James Spedding (London, 1870). Full text edited in Francis Bacon: A Critical Edition of the Major Works, ed. Brian Vickers (Oxford, 1996), pp. 22-51.

BcF 319

Copy of the complete entertainment, headed ‘Mr ffra: Bacon of tribute or giuing that wch is due’, imperfect, lacking portions of every leaf.

In: the MS described under BcF 61. c.1597.

Duke of Northumberland, Alnwick Castle, MS 525, pp. 3-25.

BcF 320

Copy of the complete entertainment, in a professional secretary hand, with corrections in another hand, headed ‘Tribuit or Givinge that wch is due’; inscribed in the second hand ‘printed by F B. in edibus Georgij fistuli’.

In: the MS described under BcF 135. c.1595-1620s.

Edited from this MS in Vickers.

Meisei University, MR 0840, pp. 63-100.

BcF 321

Copy of the third and fourth speeches, namely ‘Mr Bacon in prayse of knowledge’ and ‘Mr Bacons Discourse in the praise of his Soueraigne’), in a professional secretary hand. c.1590s.

In: the MS described under BcF 75.5.

Edited from this MS in Stephens (1734) and in Spedding, VIII, 123-43.

British Library, Harley MS 6797, ff. 47r-v, 48v-52v.

This curriculum is killing me! 🙂

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40 minutes ago, Eric Roberts said:

This is the first in a trove of letters from Francis Bacon's "Remains" addressed to Henry Frederick, Prince of Wales, accompanying a copy of his newly published Essays. It's interesting to listen how Francis in his persona of teacher-uncle, flatters the youth, but at the same time instructs him.

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These labours of mine, I know, cannot be worthy of your Highness, for what can be worthy of you?

On the face of it, Bacon has come up with the perfect obsequious line. Perfect because it is the ultimate flattery with the minimum of words - and in the form of a question... so brilliant. if Groucho Marx said the same line , it becomes a gentle poke at this boy who had everything.

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35 minutes ago, A Phoenix said:

Hi Eric,

Of Tribute is in Brian Vickers 1996 work Francis Bacon A Critical Edition of the Major Works. You should be able to pick one up quite reasonably in paperback - it's a great book.

I can view it, but not sure for how long or if others can. But this is very interesting:

https://archive.org/details/francisbacon0000baco/page/22/mode/1up?q=Tribute

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9 minutes ago, Eric Roberts said:

Got it. Thanks L-o-T!

Do you see what I see? 🙂

https://shakespearedocumented.folger.edu/file/details/410

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EDIT: Adding a note from Vickers.

https://archive.org/details/francisbacon0000baco/page/n48/mode/1up?q=Tribute

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2 hours ago, Light-of-Truth said:

Hi Rob,

I am not sure 😅.

Do you make reference to the P of Power that seems different from the others ?

It looks almost like the greek letter Delta next to a O.

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6 hours ago, Kate said:

Just posted on social media about the printer’s device on New Atlantis. Thanks to the book Eric posted that I believe AP first mentioned (I’ve lost track) I now see that the 1554 device has differences in the way the motto is laid out on the New Atlantis cover. Also the scythe is pointing to the other direction. Both are by Richard Smith as there’s a small RS on the early one too but I wonder if we should look more closely due to this left right switch and rearrangement of the motto. Is it just artistic licence or something else? Has anyone looked into this?  Top one is 1554 according to the book. Why split the word Tempore?IMG_1175.jpeg.519295cd97b06f57caf35d82dd27f70c.jpegIMG_1172.jpeg.7401140f299f8bfa8289d6c7d7fa8cf4.jpeg

 

Hi Kate,

Great finding. 🙏

I did not know the top one from Richard Smith.

Regarding the differences, I can say that the differences between the 2 images in the center are not an artistic license.

https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k840749j

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Richard Smith based is printer's mark on one of the two Printer's marks of the French Printer Conrad Badius.

Its first appearance seems to be in William Whittingham's 1557 New Testament :

https://www.insightoftheking.com/1557-geneva-new-testament.html

Now, the second printer's mark of Conrad Badius (1557) seems to be inspired by the one of Richard smith (1554).

Here is his printer's mark before 1557 :

https://www.e-rara.ch/gep_g/ch16/content/zoom/873300

 

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Oh too weird Yann, I was just logging in to say  (re my earlier comment about searching books in German etc) I found this great site where you can search through French, German and English books and if you input the name Shakespeare and choose the early dates it shows you all references in each book.
 

I just did it for Francis Bacon https://www.e-rara.ch/search/quick?query=Francis+bacon

It’s the same site you just mentioned! I’ve never heard of it before - or if I have I didn’t recognise it! Synchronicity 

 

I got to it by trying to search for the 1554 Tempore Patet image. Thanks for all the additional info Yann 

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3 hours ago, Allisnum2er said:

Hi Rob,

I am not sure 😅.

Do you make reference to the P of Power that seems different from the others ?

It looks almost like the greek letter Delta next to a O.

I wondered if my thought was lost in the stream. I guess I was right! LOL

The image from the Northumberland Manuscript has the "Worthiest" lines written in pen. They caught my attention even though just focusing on the loopy scrolls yesterday.

So when I saw the Vickers page today they hit me like a brick in my face. 😉

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I'll post the image from the NM below as the stream keeps streaming never slowing down. LOL

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On 1/13/2024 at 12:58 PM, RoyalCraftiness said:

The problem, as I've mentioned before, is that the Universe does not know what time it is.

Exactly. Time is something we came up. We see cycles and all of the sudden we put a lot of rules on Time that mean nothing to the Universe. And the thing is, we are able to pierce that veil if we care to.

Nobody can say for sure how it works even with an abundance of theories and ideas available.

My suspicion is that Dee came across a few passed down secrets maybe from before we had words to make the veil, and he with Bacon's help try to teach a little about it in the Sonnets.

But that is just me. Yet I have seen enough hints and coincidences with 18, 188, and 1881 for me to believe them to be "Time" numbers demonstrated in the Sonnets design. Something about them taps into an Eternal past and future thread our minds cannot grasp.

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The Smoking Gun of the True Authorship of the Shakespeare Works - Francis Bacon and his Unique Copy of the 1587 edition of Holinshed’s Chronicles with Marginal Annotations in his own hand alongside passages used for his Shakespeare Plays

Trailer video link: https://youtu.be/7ylDy8tFiRY

Full video link: https://youtu.be/RPMwkcxLjXo

Paper: https://www.academia.edu/112668316/Francis_Bacon_and_his_Unique_Copy_of_the_1587_edition_of_Holinshed_s_Chronicles_with_Marginal_Annotations_in_his_own_hand_alongside_passages_used_for_his_Shakespeare_Plays_The_Smoking_Gun_of_the_True_Authorship_of_the_Shakespeare_Works

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The Smoking Gun of the True Authorship of the Shakespeare Works - Francis Bacon and his Unique Copy of the 1587 edition of Holinshed’s Chronicles with Marginal Annotations in his own hand alongside passages used for his Shakespeare Plays

Trailer video link: https://youtu.be/7ylDy8tFiRY

Full video link: https://youtu.be/RPMwkcxLjXo

Paper: https://www.academia.edu/112668316/Francis_Bacon_and_his_Unique_Copy_of_the_1587_edition_of_Holinshed_s_Chronicles_with_Marginal_Annotations_in_his_own_hand_alongside_passages_used_for_his_Shakespeare_Plays_The_Smoking_Gun_of_the_True_Authorship_of_the_Shakespeare_Works

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The Smoking Gun of the True Authorship of the Shakespeare Works - Francis Bacon and his Unique Copy of the 1587 edition of Holinshed’s Chronicles with Marginal Annotations in his own hand alongside passages used for his Shakespeare Plays

Trailer video link: https://youtu.be/7ylDy8tFiRY

Full video link: https://youtu.be/RPMwkcxLjXo

Paper: https://www.academia.edu/112668316/Francis_Bacon_and_his_Unique_Copy_of_the_1587_edition_of_Holinshed_s_Chronicles_with_Marginal_Annotations_in_his_own_hand_alongside_passages_used_for_his_Shakespeare_Plays_The_Smoking_Gun_of_the_True_Authorship_of_the_Shakespeare_Works

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14 hours ago, Light-of-Truth said:

Exactly. Time is something we came up. We see cycles and all of the sudden we put a lot of rules on Time that mean nothing to the Universe. And the thing is, we are able to pierce that veil if we care to.

Nobody can say for sure how it works even with an abundance of theories and ideas available.

My suspicion is that Dee came across a few passed down secrets maybe from before we had words to make the veil, and he with Bacon's help try to teach a little about it in the Sonnets.

But that is just me. Yet I have seen enough hints and coincidences with 18, 188, and 1881 for me to believe them to be "Time" numbers demonstrated in the Sonnets design. Something about them taps into an Eternal past and future thread our minds cannot grasp.

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I am Alpha and Omega,

the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord,

which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Revelation 1:8 8:1 noitaleveR

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