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The Smoking Gun of the True Authorship of the Shakespeare Works - Francis Bacon and his Unique Copy of the 1587 edition of Holinshed’s Chronicles with Marginal Annotations in his own hand alongside passages used for his Shakespeare Plays


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19 minutes ago, RoyalCraftiness said:

To speak in terms of what Bacon believed, you conquer in order that you do not get conquered.

I disagree with your choice of words.

When Bacon was born 463 years ago, in my opinion, "conquering" as a term had already been conquered by William the Conqueror who Bacon was named after as "William Tudor", in my theory. 😉

Bacon and everybody else were about "rule" in those times. The two terms are similar, but one is less violent and tends to be more inclusive of the ruled.

Here we are in 2024 and seriously in Bacon's New Atlantis the media is all about who will rule America. The "Good" or "Evil"? I have my choice, but the reality is the Truth lies in what News you watch. Everything is Truth, everything is a Lie.

29 minutes ago, RoyalCraftiness said:

As a work of PR, what do the Shakespearean works do for us? Do they defend monarchy? Are they anti-monarchical?

In a way, the Shakespeare works help us understand and grasp a twig on how to navigate these crazy times that were exactly the same when the First Folio was published in 1623. They are 1600's versions of tales by ancients, they are parodies of current events, and sometimes a biography of Francis Bacon's life.

The Shakespeare works were designed and created to be Eternal, by whoever, and whoever else on the team, to be Eternal. Even the scrawly guy from Stratford was possibly on the team with some role. "Shakespeare" as a production was meant to be the greatest English literature to ever be, forever. Whether it is the best is hard to say, but as far as being Eternal, they nailed it.

CJ, I share your sadness about what has become of the American natives as soon as Europeans arrived. 

At the end of the last ice age ten thousand years ago, what we think of as "modern man" migrated over from Asia. They carried all the DNA and physical traits from where they came, and thrived on this side of the world. They had their cultures rise and fall, and from the first melting of the global ice a few random European lost humans from the Atlantic side would appear now and then over the 10 thousand years or so. Stories were shared, DNA was shared, and those in their tribes or societies that knew the most had to rule for generations to live without too much chaos.

Native Americans had their legends and stories that kept their societies in sync with Nature. They might war with neighbor tribes stealing women and men, for natural reasons, but lived in Nature in tune with the seasons and environment. But they did not print their version of Shakespeare. Even in a few generations almost everything would be lost, and is.

Will we ever get back to Nature?

Whatever happened over here, happened over on the other side of the world starting before the ice started to melt. I guess back then they might conquer then rule. Over here, it wasn't very hard for the Europeans to rule without conquering very much. It wasn't conquering, it was over-running and taking over. There was no way to stop it. It was like a lava flow of people.

I believe Bacon, even though he shares a few good ideas on how to rule, was primarily emphasizing how we need to live with Nature. He had to be, and he was, part of who they were, but he had the vision for a more perfect way to exist. Who is going to rule? And how? And why?

Shakespeare has many levels of understanding based on where somebody is in life. It's the King James Version of the Anti-Bible. And then there is Bacon's works to contribute into Eternity. What an interesting time it was for literature and knowledge.

CJ, try to cheer up, it is Bacon's birthday in a few hours!

HAPPY BACON'S BIRTHDAY! 🙂

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Light-of-Truth said:

Shakespeare has many levels of understanding based on where somebody is in life. It's the King James Version of the Anti-Bible. And then there is Bacon's works to contribute into Eternity. What an interesting time it was for literature and knowledge.

Quoting myself is something that to me means I need to explain further whatever it is that I screwed up before. 😉

I said Shakespeare was the "King James Version of the Anti-Bible". That sounds wrong to me now. Almost like a religious Anti-Christ meaning that I am sure offends somebody. What I meant was that Shakespeare was an Alter-Bible work.

The 1611 KJV had a purpose, and is still a powerful book. But it belongs to a slice of who we are on Earth yet has influence on all of us. Shakespeare offers much, if not all of the same teachings in a non-religious more widely accepted venue that also touches us all. Like two parts of something of a whole.

But there are three Elizabethan works that shape the planet today. What is the third part of the whole other than Shakespeare and the KJV?

Bacon's works. A trinity of work from the early 1600's.

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BACON-SHAKESPEARE SECRET REPUBLICAN FATHER OF THE MODERN WORLD

Both Bacon and Shakespeare (obviously treated separately by orthodox scholars) have very largely been presented as conservative political thinkers whereas more recently several modern scholars have finally begun to partly recognise the republican themes running through both the canons, which completely revolutionises and transforms our understanding of the first philosopher-poet of the modern world.

In his recent masterly and groundbreaking edition of Bacon’s History of Henry VII Professor Weinberger reveals its importance to the rise of modern republicanism and the politics of progress which ingeniously presents a picture of a modern democratic state that now characterises the western hemisphere and much of the rest of the world:    

The History is a window to the spirit of modern politics and government…secularism, utilitarianism, republicanism, and democracy....

It presumes that Bacon had a reason for making the History so hard to penetrate. Obviously, he must have meant for many readers-perhaps most-to misunderstand it in some way. Why on earth would he want to do this? For the following reasons. Bacon wanted to pave the way for a society based on modern science and technological progress. Such a society would be essentially egalitarian, because the efforts of the few, scientists and inventors, would serve the desires of the many… But he lived in a monarchy and could not wish it away, and so he had to use the existing forms of political power as a means to his own ends. This meant advising monarchs to do what he knew was, in the long run, not in their interests-certainly tricky and even dangerous.

   …the truly discerning and daring will understand, when they add everything up, that the History actually shows the way to a world in which kings are no longer necessary.1

The republican play The Tempest has been described by Shakespeare and Baconian scholars as the most Baconian of all the plays and that its central God-like figure the scientific-philosopher Prospero is a complex portrait made in the image of his creator, the great scientific-philosopher Francis Bacon, Founding Father of the Modern World. Through his all-knowing all-seeing mind the scientific-philosopher Prospero controls the world and future destiny of mankind and can be seen as the commander-in-chief of the Rosicrucian Brothers who govern Salomon’s House in Bacon’s New Atlantis (Land of the Rosicrucians) with Solomon’s Temple adopted as the founding legend of its outer body, the Freemasonry Brotherhood. The Tempest described by Dr Yates as a Rosicrucian manifesto,2 is a condensed dramatic refraction of the discovery of the New World and the utopian New Atlantis (Land of the Rosicrucians) a philosophical and scientific blueprint for what became the United States of America, the greatest and most powerful republic, in our modern republican-democratic western world.

1. Jerry Weinberger, ed., Francis Bacon The History of the Reign of King Henry the Seventh (Ithaca and London: Cornell University Press, 1996), pp. 213, 218.

2. Frances A. Yates, Shakespeares Last Plays: A New Approach (London: Routledge & Kegan Paul, 1975), p. 130.

https://www.academia.edu/71226674/Bacon_Shakespeare_Secret_Republican_Father_of_the_Modern_World

 

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On 1/21/2024 at 6:25 PM, Light-of-Truth said:

I disagree with your choice of words.

When Bacon was born 463 years ago, in my opinion, "conquering" as a term had already been conquered by William the Conqueror who Bacon was named after as "William Tudor", in my theory. 😉

Bacon and everybody else were about "rule" in those times. The two terms are similar, but one is less violent and tends to be more inclusive of the ruled.

Here we are in 2024 and seriously in Bacon's New Atlantis the media is all about who will rule America. The "Good" or "Evil"? I have my choice, but the reality is the Truth lies in what News you watch. Everything is Truth, everything is a Lie.

In a way, the Shakespeare works help us understand and grasp a twig on how to navigate these crazy times that were exactly the same when the First Folio was published in 1623. They are 1600's versions of tales by ancients, they are parodies of current events, and sometimes a biography of Francis Bacon's life.

The Shakespeare works were designed and created to be Eternal, by whoever, and whoever else on the team, to be Eternal. Even the scrawly guy from Stratford was possibly on the team with some role. "Shakespeare" as a production was meant to be the greatest English literature to ever be, forever. Whether it is the best is hard to say, but as far as being Eternal, they nailed it.

CJ, I share your sadness about what has become of the American natives as soon as Europeans arrived. 

At the end of the last ice age ten thousand years ago, what we think of as "modern man" migrated over from Asia. They carried all the DNA and physical traits from where they came, and thrived on this side of the world. They had their cultures rise and fall, and from the first melting of the global ice a few random European lost humans from the Atlantic side would appear now and then over the 10 thousand years or so. Stories were shared, DNA was shared, and those in their tribes or societies that knew the most had to rule for generations to live without too much chaos.

Native Americans had their legends and stories that kept their societies in sync with Nature. They might war with neighbor tribes stealing women and men, for natural reasons, but lived in Nature in tune with the seasons and environment. But they did not print their version of Shakespeare. Even in a few generations almost everything would be lost, and is.

Will we ever get back to Nature?

Whatever happened over here, happened over on the other side of the world starting before the ice started to melt. I guess back then they might conquer then rule. Over here, it wasn't very hard for the Europeans to rule without conquering very much. It wasn't conquering, it was over-running and taking over. There was no way to stop it. It was like a lava flow of people.

I believe Bacon, even though he shares a few good ideas on how to rule, was primarily emphasizing how we need to live with Nature. He had to be, and he was, part of who they were, but he had the vision for a more perfect way to exist. Who is going to rule? And how? And why?

Shakespeare has many levels of understanding based on where somebody is in life. It's the King James Version of the Anti-Bible. And then there is Bacon's works to contribute into Eternity. What an interesting time it was for literature and knowledge.

CJ, try to cheer up, it is Bacon's birthday in a few hours!

HAPPY BACON'S BIRTHDAY! 🙂

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The thing we must conclude is that the cult of Francis Bacon it is part a myth making that all cultures are involved in to some degree. We come to associate men with certain virtues and values, and these are things that have appeal to us. It is not unlike what happened with Davy Crocket in the US. Every age requires that there be men who are used to sell us on some myth about who we are, who we should strive to be and what we should be up to in order to have self worth.

I've hunted down a video I had bookmarked a while back, seemingly unrelated, that touches on these things. I think you' ll enjoy it as much as I did, knowing how critical you are of our current social problems (those that are near impossible to solve, it is said).  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svHCXvQeZfY 

I don't know how any of us can ever convince ourselves we can know Bacon from what we are given in the shreds of what remains of recorded history.  We have to construct a story to try and make the bits and pieces make sense to us. It would be just as easy to vilify someone if one wanted to. 

 

It is a great disservice to everyone to work as a PR machine for a view which is quite easily shown to be as much fiction and wishful thinking as anything else. It is not because we can access books that have been written by those who first engaged in these speculations that we claim to be on a path of exploration.  It is not possible for us to know space exploration, i.e., by reading Arthur C. Clarke works,  or to know science by reading Jules Vernes. Yet, I would argue, that these sort of works probably have more weight than anything else in forming what the masses have thought about that subject matter.

The plight of the North American Indigenous is my own plight as I live it today. It is yours also. There are conquerors at the village gates who are surrounding us to take what is available in a game of economic conquest. They use the illusion of your own growing wealth to claim more for themselves. The way we are dealt with is not with gun powder. It is with suggestion. Suggestion is enough to conquer a mind with. In many ways  it is not even direct. The video which I link contains a quote within in that touches on the ability of those who control the means of material production to control the means of thought production. Thought production IS the entire game. It is the mind that must be conquered as the final frontier. The voyages to the "undiscovered country" happen in a mind scape. This was happening in a Shakespearean play. People who can laugh together can live together. Those with a common history can rally together. Those who share enemies can be united in hate. And so on, and so on...

It is possible that we feel so disfranchised by this onslaught of thought production that we unknowingly engage in versions of it as a way to compensate for all that is material which is feeling like it is slipping out of our hands. It's a bit unclear what that could be with Francis Bacon, but there are discernable areas (philosophy) where it would be in one's interest to make the man say, and be about, something other than what he was for. H can then be a model for us who can identify with the one who was denied what he was owed by birthright.

Dig deep enough and it is not hard to come to the conclusion that any man is an arsehole. This has to have been true for Bacon too. When we are critical we destroy. That can be about the destruction of some people's efforts to do thought production.

 

 

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16 hours ago, RoyalCraftiness said:

Dig deep enough and it is not hard to come to the conclusion that any man is an arsehole. This has to have been true for Bacon too.

Maybe any man but you. I cannot wrap my mind with you as an arsehole. You are like the kindest gentleman I have ever known.

😉

16 hours ago, RoyalCraftiness said:

When we are critical we destroy. That can be about the destruction of some people's efforts to do thought production.

Don't be so paranoid and bitter. Yes, everything you describe is out there eager to destroy us, but you seem to miss the rest of reality where there is a path ahead.

Bacon was very critical, but was he a destroyer or a builder?

His focus was not "destroying" a thought production, that was a side effect. His vision was all about the future, even into centuries. Bacon was not fearful of an end, or that his words would be destroyed.

We may not agree on what Bacon taught us, but we should agree that Bacon had a positive vision for our future. One that is eternal.

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14 hours ago, Light-of-Truth said:

Where is the cult of Francis Bacon? I am intrigued, might join! 😉

I'm curious, what biography of one of your favorite historical persons would you offer that is not as much a myth as Bacon? We do have hundreds (thousands?) of letters he wrote and received that give an idea how he wrote  and read anyway. And his works. I spent a while poking around some of his works today to reply to you.

I think I have 20 minutes left, but needed a break to pee, etc.

I get it, been there since the '70s. New stories, new names, same old ancient tales.

MrBeast has been in the news a few times lately. I did not read any articles, the headlines gave up the stories. LOL

A few days ago I sent an email to a client who pays me for consultation on why she needs to get on YouTube more aggressively. I'm going to send her a link to this video!

I was thinking of Phillip Morris today from 1981 when I used to go fix early modem devices in their huge shiny clean white cigarette facility in Richmond, Virginia. Hardly ever see a human, in fact even then they had robots scooting up and down down the long aisles carrying whatever to wherever. 😉

Yea, you knew I'd resonate with the message of this video, but does this fit into our Baconian discussion? Really?

Maybe, yes.

BACON-SHAKESPEARE SECRET REPUBLICAN FATHER OF THE MODERN WORLD

 

The article by A. Phoenix is fascinating and well researched. I read the entire paper when they first presented it. But I had to come to realize that some words used in the UK on the other side of the ocean might not have the same reaction as they do here in America. To me I can't see Bacon playing a part of the distortion of whatever Republican means anymore over here. Honest Abe was a Republican. But so was Nixon, Reagan, and Bush. Now it is like the mafia, a rich greedy mean party propagating hate to divide us all.

In Florida, we cannot collect more than a handful of people to protest in public without going to jail with a felony. That's already been tested and proved. Any "parent" can demand a book be removed from a school. Groups of radical weirdo religious parents have banned hundreds of books each and thousands state wide. That has led to their bible being banned from many schools by opposing parents with the same rights which drives the nutcases even more nutty. Shakespeare is way too pornographic for most schools. Dr Sues, forget him. Many of the classics. Dickens. Oh my!

Disney is the Devil in Florida to the Florida "Republican" politicians who dictate our laws and want to control our minds. Mickey Mouse is evil. Yet guns and killing are encouraged by redneck sheriffs. "Make my day."

A teacher can be fired from their career losing everything for talking with a gay student about their struggles when they can't talk to their parents or anybody else they trust. Can't even say "gay" in Florida thanks to a "Republican" majority rule when blacks and Hispanics are disenfranchised to have their votes counted.

That is not Bacon, and nothing that he was father of.

A. Phoenix, if you read this, I am not arguing what you present as history, I am letting you know that in 2024 the word "Republican" carries a lot of heavy lead with it and does not mean what you think it does in Gulfport, Florida.

In Bacon's New Atlantis, "Republican" is a word that brings shivers to many, even those who want to be Republican only because they have always been. The word may soon mean "Dictatorship" and already "Fascism" seems to fit.

The 2024 version is not what Bacon was Father of in 1624. Making him the Father of that word now alienates him from his potential largest audience one day.

We have to be careful about politics here on the B'Hive. We can dance, but its a delicate subject that hits nerves. Since 2016 there has been way too much hate in America.

This is exactly what Bacon said about these last few years. 😉

https://www.light-of-truth.com/pyramid-GMT.php#Line2014

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Hi Rob,

Fully appreciate that Republicanism has a very different resonance for you in the United States than it does for us here in the UK. By 'Republicanism' Bacon of course meant Democracy, a government system through the will and participation of the many and not the few, free from the tyranny of absolute monarchy, and everything he strived for was done with Love as his guiding principle. 

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1 hour ago, A Phoenix said:

Hi Rob,

Fully appreciate that Republicanism has a very different resonance for you in the United States than it does for us here in the UK. By 'Republicanism' Bacon of course meant Democracy, a government system through the will and paritcipation of the many and not the few, free from the tyranny of absolute monarchy, and everything he strived for was done with Love as his guiding principle. 

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Hi A P

Another gobsmacking quote! Wouldn't it be great if this statement was published as a full page 'ad' in the Sunday Times.

 

 

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1 hour ago, A Phoenix said:

Hi Rob,

Fully appreciate that Republicanism has a very different resonance for you in the United States than it does for us here in the UK. By 'Republicanism' Bacon of course meant Democracy, a government system through the will and paritcipation of the many and not the few, free from the tyranny of absolute monarchy, and everything he strived for was done with Love as his guiding principle. 

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I read this and weep. Not having read The Great Instauration, I'm not qualified to comment, but these last words of SFB ought to be enshrined in every House of Parliament in the world. 

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3 hours ago, A Phoenix said:

Hi Rob,

Fully appreciate that Republicanism has a very different resonance for you in the United States than it does for us here in the UK. By 'Republicanism' Bacon of course meant Democracy, a government system through the will and paritcipation of the many and not the few, free from the tyranny of absolute monarchy, and everything he strived for was done with Love as his guiding principle. 

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I deleted my post as I was crossing some boundaries on what is allowed on the B'Hive. 😉

 

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Greetings to all Baconians! I see that I have been missing out on a lot of great activity that's been going on here! Just a few days ago I came across the new paper by A Phoenix and the 2-minute and longer youtube presentations on it. Such a surprise and so very thrilling! I'm enjoying just imagining the moments that the book by de Chambrun was discovered and her research come to the light of day! Maybe it was like discovering and peering inside King Tut's tomb for the first time? I have notified one prominant Rosicrucian organization about this discovery. And though mainstream scholars will not likely care to talk about it, we should at least see some traction in the authorship questioning groups. I have asked several times if any of them would like to compare or debate their evidence against Baconian evidence and they never show any interest. Imagine that! I see that there is also much else I need to get caught up on here. Much admiration to A Phoenix and the rest of you!!

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I posted the short Holinshed video on Facebook's page for Bacon-is-Shakespeare. And if someone hasn't done it already you might want to send something about it to Mark Rylance since he favors the Bacon contribution theory. 

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