The Hidden Baconian Acrostics and Anagrams in the Shakespeare First Folio

[RoyalCraftiness]

17 hours ago, Light-of-Truth said:

LOL!

You are definitely "them" in many of my slices. Yet you are "us" in other slices maybe many more.

For me, which makes a lot of my friends "them" along with you is the core of who I am which is very strongly influenced by psychedelics when I was very young. If the bubble pops, it makes you different. We are us, who have had our bubbles popped, whoever we are. You are still in the bubble. That might sound silly? I am confident Bacon had his bubble popped many times maybe even as a youth.

Life is not us and them, at all. It is WE. Everything is connected and is One consciousness and we are all in it.

Black and blue
And who knows which is which
And who is who

Up and down
And in the end
It's only round and round, and round

 

Love Pink Floyd!

 

"Haven't you heard it's a battle of words?"

 

CJ, you are one of us in my mind, but you are one of them. LOL

 

It can be dangerous. My neighbors are snowbirds. They have a place in Florida. However, they are going to be selling now, because of they have sensed that they are now being treated like "the other" in these Trumpian times. Relationships there have taken a hit. "Canadian" has taken on a meaning of "meddling bleeding heart Liberal" or "socialist" to the locals, is what I take from their perceptions. People get tagged as being "our kind" or not. What we do with what we know of another person's thinking has its consequences. Today we tend to know more than ever what people think. I wish we could all be nice to each other, but I also know that it is not that easy when power is in the balance. There are held religious views that want their hands on power, and there is money which is synonymous to power. In the attainment of power there is a desire to control the institutions and the state of "knowledge". "Cancelling" is just a modern way of expressing the fact that views can and will be controlled where they can be. I'm not a big proponent of the Freedom to say what one wants when some ar clearly just empty vessels doing political faction building, but that is what we have. It does allow us to know what we are up against. As long as we both know where we are coming from I don't see how we can be of disservice to each other. It takes grit to polish a stone. Trying to "outknow" the other may in fact force us to be better, more reasonable, people if we take the task on seriously. In many ways I feel alien in even my family. But their are always ties that bind if we look for those. You and I are alike in that we seem to be able to moderate our impulses and not come to blows even if we are confident in what direction we are coming at this from. We are also older and cantankerous in a way that old men who scream at clouds are. By all means avoid war. These times always pass. 

[A Phoenix]

           FRANCIS BACON FOUNDING FATHER OF THE MODERN SPECULATIVE FREEMASONRY BROTHERHOOD 

See A. Phoenix, The 1623 Shakespeare First Folio: A Baconian-Rosicrucian-Freemasonic Illusion (2023), pp. 403; 142 facsimiles; 892 references) Chapter XI 'The 1723 and 1738 editions of the Freemasonic Book of Constitutions sanctioned by the Grand Lodge of England cryptically reveal that Francis Bacon was the Secret Founding Father of the Rosicrucian-Freemasonry Brotherhood and Secret author of the Shakespeare First Folio', pp. 325-333.

https://www.academia.edu/103102421/The_1623_Shakespeare_First_Folio_A_Baconian_Rosicrucian_Freemasonic_Illusion

[Allisnum2er]

On 9/18/2023 at 3:10 PM, Eric Roberts said:

As I understand it, no one knows exactly when the sculpture of Francis Bacon was installed in St Michael's Church. Even if it was carved posthumously, the idiosyncratic pose suggests that before he 'died' Francis Bacon himself may have sat for sketches by Nicholas Stone for his own funerary monument. It is such an unusual memorial, breaking all past conventions with its informality of posture. If the pose was predetermined by Lord Bacon, he couldn't have chosen a more psychologically meaningful representation of himself, in the sense that the body we see is vacant. The sitter's mind is far away. The tangible and intangible in one image.

Hi Eric,

I already mentionned it in another topic but I wonder if the sculpture could be linked to the 33rd Emblem on page 157 of MONOGRAMMON published in 1616 ...

https://archive.org/details/corneliigiselber00plem/page/156/mode/2up?ref=ol&view=theater

By the way, the misnumbered XXXXIII (instead of XXXIII) could be a clue.

Here is Emblem XLIII on page 167 ...

"Interiore hominum similes sunt corpore porci :

Sape bono natis sanguine porcus ines."

seems to mean :

"Inwardly, men are like the body of a swine: indeed, the blood of a good born swine is in it."

Edit :

Being in the topic of Acrostic and Anagram, I remind you that MONOGRAMMON is the Book published the year of Shakespeare's death  in wich is found the following first Emblem ...

... hiding F. BACON.

In my view, the choice of pose for the Sculpture of Francis Bacon, that is very similar to the pose of the man in Emblem 33, could be a way to link the death of Francis Bacon with the death of Shakespeare.

[Light-of-Truth]

5 hours ago, RoyalCraftiness said:

Those 70 lines account for how many Sonnets? 70 out of 154 would be 45% and change.

I had that thought, but haven't done the math yet. What if all 154 Sonnets had a "B...a...con" in them? 🙂

 

[Light-of-Truth]

5 hours ago, RoyalCraftiness said:

It can be dangerous. My neighbors are snowbirds. They have a place in Florida. However, they are going to be selling now, because of they have sensed that they are now being treated like "the other"...

Florida is totally crazy right now. What is happening these past couple years can not last long as we are still the land of the late Jimmy Buffet, Key West, Disney World, and a barefoot paradise of pleasure.

My wife and I are very fortunate to live in an "Island of Sanity" which to the rest of Florida might seem like an insane place to be. LOL

But I get what you say CJ, Bacon's entire New Atlantis experiment could be coming to a quick, violent, and tragic end. It is more possible than I want to think about.

Today, the first day of Fall, even though still too warm for my comfort the sky is crystal clear blue with puffy white clouds like a July summer day in the High Country of Colorado. It is a beautiful day and I am totally exhausted and beat down after one of the most horrible summers I have ever lived on many fronts.

Everyone is still welcome in Florida, but it is important to know which cities, towns, neighborhoods, and Islands of Sanity are filled with the people you relate to. Tampa Bay is known for being inclusive.

 

[Light-of-Truth]

5 hours ago, RoyalCraftiness said:

You and I are alike in that we seem to be able to moderate our impulses and not come to blows even if we are confident in what direction we are coming at this from. We are also older and cantankerous in a way that old men who scream at clouds are. By all means avoid war. These times always pass. 

A phrase I have heard many times, "This ain't my first rodeo."

I can take it, and I can dish it out, because I am very comfortable on who I am. I have learned to become the best of what I can be in my own mind. I've been very grouchy lately, yet I do not Hate even when I am cantankerous screaming at the clouds. 😉

Peace and Love all the way.

[Light-of-Truth]

5 hours ago, Allisnum2er said:

Being in the topic of Acrostic and Anagram, I remind you that MONOGRAMMON is the Book published the year of Shakespeare's death  in wich is found the following first Emblem ...

Some of us had a mention of the number 137 in our emails today.

Yann, what do you get from page 137 and Emblem 14?

https://archive.org/details/corneliigiselber00plem/page/136/mode/2up?ref=ol&view=theater

Google translation gives me this for the first sentence:

Thus it is customary for elders to give their own masks:
     And those who see others have by which they are seen

EDIT: A snippet In the FBS email this morning for members:

"Known as ‘The Fine Structure Constant,’ 137 occupies a mysterious position in the knowledge of mathematics."

EDIT 2:

https://science.howstuffworks.com/dictionary/physics-terms/why-is-137-most-magical-number.htm

[Eric Roberts]

6 hours ago, Allisnum2er said:

Hi Eric,

I already mentionned it in another topic but I wonder if the sculpture could be linked to the 33rd Emblem on page 157 of MONOGRAMMON published in 1616 ...

https://archive.org/details/corneliigiselber00plem/page/156/mode/2up?ref=ol&view=theater

By the way, the misnumbered XXXXIII (instead of XXXIII) could be a clue.

Here is Emblem XLIII on page 167 ...

"Interiore hominum similes sunt corpore porci :

Sape bono natis sanguine porcus ines."

seems to mean :

"Inwardly, men are like the body of a swine: indeed, the blood of a good born swine is in it."

Edit :

Being in the topic of Acrostic and Anagram, I remind you that MONOGRAMMON is the Book published the year of Shakespeare's death  in wich is found the following first Emblem ...

... hiding F. BACON.

In my view, the choice of pose for the Sculpture of Francis Bacon, that is very similar to the pose of the man in Emblem 33, could be a way to link the death of Francis Bacon with the death of Shakespeare.

Thanks Yann. The mis-numbering of emblem 33 must be deliberate, surely. And indeed it resembles Nicholas Stone's sculpture, except his head is resting on his right arm in the emblem. Well spotted.

[Eric Roberts]

30 minutes ago, Eric Roberts said:

Thanks Yann. The mis-numbering of emblem 33 must be deliberate, surely. And indeed it resembles Nicholas Stone's sculpture, except his head is resting on his right arm in the emblem. Well spotted.

 

Cornelii Giselberti Plempii Amsterodamum monogrammon

https://archive.org/details/corneliigiselber00plem/page/122/mode/2up

So nice to look at Plempii's Emblems again. Surreal in the best sense. Here is one for the Phoenixes.

A throne-commode?

Printers at work:

The self and the other...

Lord Verulam?

The real author will ascend and the mask will fall.

[RoyalCraftiness]

17 hours ago, Light-of-Truth said:

I had that thought, but haven't done the math yet. What if all 154 Sonnets had a "B...a...con" in them? 🙂

 

That would would mean there's nothing special to have it be anywhere you looked. It could be worse. Ed DeVere could be there in every one too. 

Examining that possibility can explain away some apophenia. Keep in mind that if you ever came across a page 33 that had no B A CON in it you'd not think that was abnormal, and you'd probably not think of signaling out that the non occurrence had any meaning. When we look to confirm things we find things. When Peter Amundsen went looking for things associated with 53 he had an eye out for identifying certain things related to triangles, Rosy, Cross, RC and G. If my memory serves me well, I think he even found a B A CON occurrence. CON word occurrences in full pages may be quite common, so we do not instinctively know if one on a page numbered 53 is "special". What we do know of the human mind is that it is capable of finding patterns whether they were intended to be there or not. Determining if they were placed there or not is and what they mean is actually the hard part. Observing something is not doing any heavy lifting.

If Bacon was so oblivious to the nature of things appearing randomly he could, presumably, have arranged for B A CON to appear somewhere. To his horror it may not be statistically significant. That means no clear signaling.  One would have to assume that the signaling, if it existed, was more robust and that it also offered some decipherable aspect. Have you considered that there may be in these instances a very real cipher in the text there? It would be one where there would be no possibility of misinterpretation or subjectivity. By Bacon's own thinking, expressed in his own writing, the finding of the cipher is supposed to be difficult and the deciphering of it is supposed to be possible.

Edited September 22 by RoyalCraftiness

[RoyalCraftiness]

17 hours ago, Light-of-Truth said:

A phrase I have heard many times, "This ain't my first rodeo."

I can take it, and I can dish it out, because I am very comfortable on who I am. I have learned to become the best of what I can be in my own mind. I've been very grouchy lately, yet I do not Hate even when I am cantankerous screaming at the clouds. 😉

Peace and Love all the way.

I totally get that. I would want to be who I am too and not have that be seen as being an imbecile just trolling like so many empty vessels on the internet. I could, If I was asked to, steel-man you case for you. I prefer to not to. You should be able to do that for yourself. 

I also realize that to ask someone with a well established belief to reason it away is a very poor way to achieve the "deprogramming" of a belief in the world. I think of myself as a very, very weak deprogrammer. All I have to offer is grit, resistance or reasonable objections. I've not been able to get anyone close to me to shake off their strange beliefs no matter how hard I have tried (my family is full of them). My wife is obsessed with seeing meaning in things when they happen to me or other people. It drives me crazy. Her romantic belief that "we were meant to be" is something I constantly have had to push back against. If "we are" it is because the will to make it work is present, the alignment of the stars be damned. It could vanish tomorrow. There's a very deep rooted desire for humans to want to feel like they are in-tune what nature wants as the outcome. Nature couldn't care less. It doesn't feel like we owe it something either. Expressions of gratefulness towards nature are reflections of the fact we desire to be thanked for what we do that is perceived as good coming from our individual existence. If there isn't any of that we start to wonder about the point of "I". That finds an expression in the pursuit of valued "legacy". One wants to feel like he has made a contribution to the story of mankind. Having children isn't quite enough, apparently. 

In the case of the men who I term the "Christian empiricists" they also appear to have been obsessed with creating a lasting cultural inheritance. That is what great works try to do. They can be orchestrated. The goodness of the work may be mainly found in the fact that it binds and that it gives a sense of belonging. When it was dangerous to have certain scientific views it was beneficial for there to be identifiable symbols for those who wanted to still be Christians and who were willing to alter the beliefs to be in line with the observations. The atheists would not have been so interested in that. How Christian was Bacon? Was he Christian enough to please Rawley and the other members of the Great Council (Magnum Concilium)?  Is there something in Bacon's legacy that had to be whitewashed to preserve the interests of the religious establishment? Why is it that so many vocal Baconians are of a religious bent? I have seen very few who are purely scientific or atheistic. There's a love for Bacon that seems to come out of an already existing religious community with deep ties to monarchy. I can't help but feel that Bacon is a symbol for them, and that bringing in Shakespeare solidifies the faction. In my heart of hearts I have always read Shakespeare thinking he was an impish scoundrel and an atheist. If Shakespeare is Bacon then that saves the works from being the product of a heathen. That's just a feeling, and I give not real weight to feelings,

[A Phoenix]

FRANCIS BACON SECRET REPUBLICAN AND FATHER OF THE MODERN                                                                  DEMOCRATIC WORLD

Both Bacon and Shakespeare (obviously treated separately by orthodox scholars) have very largely been presented as conservative political thinkers whereas more recently several modern scholars have finally begun to partly recognize the republican themes running through both the canons, which completely revolutionizes and transforms our understanding of the first philosopher-poet of the modern world.

See A. Phoenix, 'Bacon-Shakespeare Secret Republican Father of the Modern World', pp. 1-14. 

[Eric Roberts]

19 hours ago, A Phoenix said:

FRANCIS BACON SECRET REPUBLICAN AND FATHER OF THE MODERN                                                                  DEMOCRATIC WORLD

Both Bacon and Shakespeare (obviously treated separately by orthodox scholars) have very largely been presented as conservative political thinkers whereas more recently several modern scholars have finally begun to partly recognize the republican themes running through both the canons, which completely revolutionizes and transforms our understanding of the first philosopher-poet of the modern world.

See A. Phoenix, 'Bacon-Shakespeare Secret Republican Father of the Modern World', pp. 1-14. 

https://sirbacon.org/bacon-shakespeare-secret-republican-father-of-the-modern-world/

[Eric Roberts]

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