Baconian Evidence for Shakespeare Authorship

[Allisnum2er]

7 minutes ago, Light-of-Truth said:

...the tydings that I bring
Will

More fun, the "C", then the first letters on the left:

Enter Olde Lady.
Gent. within. Come backe: what meane you?
Lady. Ile not come backe, the tydings that I bring
Will make my boldnesse, manners. Now good Angels
Fly o're thy Royall head, and shade thy person
Vnder their blessed wings.
King. Now by thy lookes
I gesse thy Message. Is the Queene deliuer'd?
Say I, and of a boy.
Lady. I, I my Liege,
And of a louely Boy: the God of heauen
Both now, and euer blesse her: 'Tis a Gyrle
Promises Boyes heereafter. Sir, your Queen
Desires your Visitation, and to be
Acquainted with this stranger; 'tis as like you,
As Cherry, is to Cherry.

 

 

C Will F V I S An Bot Pro D

Anagram: F Bacon is P Will Tudor

Francis Bacon is Prince Will Tudor, "in the shade under the blessed wings."

 YESSSSS ! 33 POINTS ! 🙂  And I think that we can add the two AA as a reference to the AA headpiece !

Ohhh and I just noticed :     Lady. Ile not come backe, the tydings that I bring     I bring  Baconi  TTT 😃

[Light-of-Truth]

Just now, Allisnum2er said:

 YESSSSS ! 33 POINTS ! 🙂  And I think that we can add the two AA as a reference to the AA headpiece !

Ohhh and I just noticed :     Lady. Ile not come backe, the tydings that I bring     I bring  Baconi  TTT 😃

I knew you'd see the "not come backe" Bacon hint, going backwards in fact. 😉

The two A's did come to mind for me as well.

So in this scene, we have:

And durst commend a secret to your eare
Much waightier then this worke. The Queens in Labor

Later an old lady appears with "tydings" of the Queen giving birth to bring "Will" and goes on to say:

Now good Angels
Fly o're thy Royall head, and shade thy person
Vnder their blessed wings.

Good Angels to fly over the Royal head and "shade" the person under their blessed wings.

A powerful anagram stating "F BACON is P Will Tudor"

How about, "And of a louely Boy:"

Remember Sonnet 126, "O thou, my lovely boy, who in thy power"

Then an "Hundred markes".

Curious, what is your take on "As Cherry, is to Cherry"?

I think Cherry being virgin, but I cannot find any history beyond the 19th century for the meaning.

[Allisnum2er]

On 2/20/2022 at 2:14 PM, Light-of-Truth said:

I too am thrilled with your work! For too many years I felt alone in my world, sometimes feeling as if I were the only one who could see like I do. Now I know better, and not only do you see like I do, you have a much wider range of knowledge. Thank you!!!!!

Thank you Rob ! The fact is that, like you, I felt alone in my world since Bacon's "Call"  with no one around me who could really understand my research and my interest for Bacon. It is such a pleasure to finally be able to talk with people who share the same passion. And thank you for your kind words, however I sincerely don't think that I have "a much wider range of knowledge" than you. When I look at all your research and all the discoveries that you shared on your website so far, I felt like a newbie ! 😅 And talking about knowledge, I am absolutely AMAZED by the incredible sum of knowledge that contain each and every videos of A Phoenix. You have also the wonderful work of Kate Cassidy and  of many other that I discover thanks to this Forum. I believe that we each are a stone of Bacon's Temple, that we each have our strenghts, and  that thanks to our collaborative work the year 2022 will be a productive one ! 🙂

Edited February 21, 2022 by Allisnum2er

[A Phoenix]

Hi maestro Yann. For as long as I can remember I have had an all-consuming love for Lord Bacon. For me he is simply the greatest of all men and his writings whether acknowledged, anonymous and pseudonymous (Gascoigne, Lyly, Peele, Greene and numerous others) most notably his immortal Shakespeare poems and plays, are incomparable and unmatched in the history of the literature of the world.

The subject of Lord Bacon, his Shakespeare works, Rosicrucian-Freemasonry Brotherhood, and all this involves, is a very broad church and has attracted a wide and diverse range of Baconian scholars who have individually and collectively produced some truly astonishing evidence and information about each and every one of these interrelated subjects, which we have greatly benefitted from.  It is of course a cliche that no two Baconians agree on everything but given that it is such a complex subject this is to be expected and should be accepted in a civilised and tolerant manner.  I freely admit I do not agree with everything I have seen or read by Baconians, however I have generally or nearly always learned something from them which has directly or indirectly contributed to my overall understanding.  The B'Hive produced by Lawrence and Rob has already proved a boon for Baconians to present, share and exchange information about Lord Bacon and I too have been AMAZED at some of the knowledge and learning of its contributors, especially your own pioneering and groundbreaking work and that too of Rob who approaches Baconian studies from an imaginative and interesting perspective. I have had the benefit of readings Kate's brilliant book which displays a masterful grasp of, as its title indicates, the secret work of the ages, wherein in passages pertaining to modern history Lord Bacon plays the key central role, in their striving for the Universal Reformation of the Whole World.   

I believe whatever our views and opinions (and there is more than enough room for everyone) Baconians here and around the world should love and support each other on our collective labyrinthine journey on our road to the Truth about the life and writings of Lord Bacon.

Love

The Phoenixes.

 

Edited July 18, 2022 by A Phoenix

[Light-of-Truth]

Thank you both for B'ing here!

Little history...

December 1997:

My second visit to Lawrence's home, the first after learning about Bacon. Grateful Dead shows were about to happen for New Years Eve. The first visits were more about his lady friend at the time, the mother of his son. She was hosting spiritual meetings where sacred plants and shaman themes were the purpose. I was a "practicing" Native American Shaman, at least in my mind. Carlos Castaneda, etc., were my passion. Funny looking back at my experiences in the years prior they all relate to Dee now! But I had no idea. I saw the numbers, but was totally oblivious.

I had two main website clients; an "Internationally Known" psychic, Robert Petro, and the Peyote Foundation website. I was self-taught on HTML and had some tools for developing. And my income money was keeping Robert Petro above Jeane Dickson on Altavista, the main search engine back then.

It was fun!!

So on my second visit I started to sit with Lawrence in his office working with his graphic designer who's name I can't remember.

We were using Claris for web development. Google was not even a term we knew, if it even existed. Netscape was the browser most used, or AOL which I always despised. LOL

Later in Spring of 1998 I was there visiting when Peter Dawkins was also visiting. I remember being so new with Bacon listening to the two "World's most knowledgeable" Baconian masters I knew of as Lawrence drove us around San Francisco having the inside tour while I was in the backseat. All the best SF views, secret places that only Lawrence knew, the discussion was Bacon. They talked about what was happening, where things were going, the Strats losing ground, and what we as Baconians needed to do. (DeVere did not even come up! LOL)

Sir Francis Bacon's New Advancement of Learning
SirBacon.org

As it was in 1997, it is today.

Over the decades, it has been hacked by Russians pumping stolen music that we fought, and eventually won. Hosting companies became obsolete, and together we overcame. Lawrence pumped out over a thousand pages of content in the mean time on Claris. SirBacon.org became THE new Baconian online resource that has turned countless people into Baconians.

So many Baconians, great friends of Lawrence, have passed away; Penn Leary for one. Mather Walker may or may not still be alive, but is not around as far as producing new content. Just in the past week or so we have added a few new links to Baconian authors Lawrence knew that are not here anymore.

I'm no Spring chicken, was at my cardiologist this morning having a stress test. I think I'm fine, but at the age in my 60's it is important to stay on top of hidden issues. I'm younger than my good friend and mentor.

COVID and behind the scenes drama I am losing one of my biggest web clients, a Vacation Rental guy on Clearwater Beach. It's been expected, and at a time when I can say goodbye. So for me, I was like to Lawrence,, "Let's do something now, while I have a window!" Perfect timing! A Baconian Forum is big, even more important than updating his old Claris website that Google did not approve of anymore. Both were key.

A. Phoenix content on the website is very important. Christina Waldman as well, Jono Freeman, so on. Right now there are new Baconians producing high quality content, even as the Ooxies are buying their way into Hollow-wood and mainstream media. Strats are always there, but have to be overwhelmed. LOL

Now this forum has taken off. Better than hoped for! THANK YOU to everyone who has jumped in!

Lawrence and I discussed this, "Not all Baconians agree." In fact, "No two Baconians agree on everything." Believe me, not even me and Lawrence. LOL

But, this is and will be a forum for Baconians to share, forever. We are both discussing how to keep this going way beyond either one of us is alive to maintain it. I expect some of us on this forum, will become Moderators, and Administrators. At some point a web developer/administrator may be added in case I get run over by an Oxie or Strat truck. 😉

We are the Future, for Bacon. Love, Peace, and Tranquility has been mentioned as being part of Bacon.

Me being me, I believe Bacon is knowing who we are and what we are doing. He knew when he was alive, and he knows now better than we where this is going! 🙂

Let's commit to keep this alive, "Beyond all date; even to eternity" (Day 287 in the Sonnets)

Much Love, all of us at SirBacon.org Forever!

 

 

 

 

Edited February 21, 2022 by Light-of-Truth

[A Phoenix]

The cryptic anonymous title page of the 1597 quarto edition of Richard II (a manuscript copy of which was originally held in FB's Northumberland Manuscript) reveals that Bacon is Shakespeare.

[A Phoenix]

Francis Bacon Concealed Poet as stated in his letter to John Davies dated 1603.

[A Phoenix]

                 HIS SECOND EDITOR THOMAS TENISON (AFTERWARDS ARCHBISHOP OF CANTERBURY REVEALS THAT FRANCIS BACON IS SHAKESPEARE

As with his first editor Dr Rawley, his second editor Thomas Tenison secretly knew that Lord Bacon was the true author of the Shakespeare works, and he was also familiar with the cipher systems inserted by FB in the Shakespeare First Folio and other Baconian works (the bi-literal, simple and kay ciphers, etc) which he alludes to in the two passages below.  The title page of his 1679 edition of Baconiana secretly makes use of the simple cipher concealing and revealing that Lord Bacon is Shakespeare but perhaps the most simple and elegant of all ciphers used in the Baconian-Rosicrucian canon arrives on p. 259. The line across the top of page 259 reads 'That is, Francis Bacon': 259 is Shakespeare in kay cipher, thus we read across the top line, that Francis Bacon is Shakespeare.

The fairest, and most correct Edition of this Book in Latine, is that in Folio, printed at London, Anno 1623. And whosever understand the Lord Bacon’s Cypher, let him consult that accurate Edition. For, in some other Editions which I have perused, the form of the Letters of the Alphabet, in which much of the Mysterie consisteth, is not observed: But the Roman and Italic shapes of them are confounded. 

 [Thomas Tenison, ed., Baconiana. Or Certain Genuine Remaines Of Sir Francis Bacon (London: printed by J. D. for Richard Chiswell, 1679), pp. 27-8]

 And those who have true skill in the Works of the Lord Verulam, [Lord Bacon] like great Masters in Painting, can tell by the Design, the Strength, the way of Colouring, whether he was the Author of this or the other Piece, though his Name be not to it.

 [Thomas Tenison, ed., Baconiana. Or Certain Genuine Remaines Of Sir Francis Bacon (London: printed by J. D. for Richard Chiswell, 1679), p. 79]

[A Phoenix]

 A MASTERCLASS IN SECRECY AND METHODS OF DELIVERY APPROPRIATE FOR CONCEALING HIS AUTHORSHIP OF THE SHAKESPEARE WORKS.

[Eric Roberts]

The Missing Historical Plays of Shakespeare

By Howard Bridgewater from 1931_Baconiana_No 78

 

I found this old essay by chance which most of you will be familiar with. It occurred to me that Stratfordians cannot make the claim that William Shakespeare's historical plays form a continuous history of English monarchy from King John to Henry VIII, since there are several gaps in the line of succession. Baconians, on the other hand, as this essay shows, can argue that this is precisely what Francis Bacon successfully achieved under various pseudonyms. 

MISSING PLAYS.pdf

Edited December 3, 2022 by Eric Roberts

[Christie Waldman]

Thank you for sharing that wonderful reference, Eric. I did not have it.

In Elizabeth Wells Gallup, The Tragedy of Anne Boleyn (appendix), the sources deciphered include works by Shakespeare, Greene, Peele, Marlowe, Jonson, Burton, Spenser, Bacon--whether names or pseudonyms (my book, appendix 2.).

Also, from my book:

Shakespeare wrote plays about Henry IV, V, VI, and VIII of England, skipping Henry VII. Francis Bacon completed one history of a King Henry, that of Henry VII (1622), although he had begun a history of Henry VIII. In The History of the Reign of King Henry VII, he invented speeches for several main characters, including Perkin Warbeck. John Ford’s play, ca. 1630, about Perkin Warbeck, was based on Bacon’s The History of Henry VII. (John E. Curran, Jr., Character and Individual Personality in English Renaissance Drama: Tragedy, History, Tragicomedy (Newark: University of Delaware Press, 2014), pp. 272-276, 280-281, 289-290). Robert Cotton had written a history of Henry III of England (a thinly-veiled political commentary paralleling King James’ reign), and John Selden’s Jani Anglorum takes the history of England through the decease of Henry II. (Graham Parry, The Trophies of Time, pp. 105, 87-88). Among the three of them, they had covered the history of the English kings through Henry VIII. Planned or coincidence?

--my book, p. 219, fn 2.

Selden Book,

http://name.umdl.umich.edu/A59093.0001.001.

 

 

 

Edited December 3, 2022 by Christie Waldman
full quotation--formatting, added parentheses & URL

[Eric Roberts]

9 hours ago, Christie Waldman said:

Thank you for sharing that wonderful reference, Eric. I did not have it.

In Elizabeth Wells Gallup, The Tragedy of Anne Boleyn (appendix), the sources deciphered include works by Shakespeare, Greene, Peele, Marlowe, Jonson, Burton, Spenser, Bacon--whether names or pseudonyms (my book, appendix 2.).

Also, from my book:

Shakespeare wrote plays about Henry IV, V, VI, and VIII of England, skipping Henry VII. Francis Bacon completed one history of a King Henry, that of Henry VII (1622), although he had begun a history of Henry VIII. In The History of the Reign of King Henry VII, he invented speeches for several main characters, including Perkin Warbeck. John Ford’s play, ca. 1630, about Perkin Warbeck, was based on Bacon’s The History of Henry VII. (John E. Curran, Jr., Character and Individual Personality in English Renaissance Drama: Tragedy, History, Tragicomedy (Newark: University of Delaware Press, 2014), pp. 272-276, 280-281, 289-290). Robert Cotton had written a history of Henry III of England (a thinly-veiled political commentary paralleling King James’ reign), and John Selden’s Jani Anglorum takes the history of England through the decease of Henry II. (Graham Parry, The Trophies of Time, pp. 105, 87-88). Among the three of them, they had covered the history of the English kings through Henry VIII. Planned or coincidence?

 

--my book, p. 219, fn 2.

Selden Book,

http://name.umdl.umich.edu/A59093.0001.001.

 

 

 

 

Thank you Christie for your expertise on this subject. Here is Pt. 1 of Bridgewater's essay.

MISSING PLAYS Pt 1.pdf

The correct references for both parts are:

Pt 1: 1931_Baconiana_No 78. pp: 250-262

Pt 2: 1932_Baconiana_No 79. pp: 22-36

[Eric Roberts]

On 12/3/2022 at 10:56 PM, Christie Waldman said:

Thank you for sharing that wonderful reference, Eric. I did not have it.

In Elizabeth Wells Gallup, The Tragedy of Anne Boleyn (appendix), the sources deciphered include works by Shakespeare, Greene, Peele, Marlowe, Jonson, Burton, Spenser, Bacon--whether names or pseudonyms (my book, appendix 2.).

Also, from my book:

Shakespeare wrote plays about Henry IV, V, VI, and VIII of England, skipping Henry VII. Francis Bacon completed one history of a King Henry, that of Henry VII (1622), although he had begun a history of Henry VIII. In The History of the Reign of King Henry VII, he invented speeches for several main characters, including Perkin Warbeck. John Ford’s play, ca. 1630, about Perkin Warbeck, was based on Bacon’s The History of Henry VII. (John E. Curran, Jr., Character and Individual Personality in English Renaissance Drama: Tragedy, History, Tragicomedy (Newark: University of Delaware Press, 2014), pp. 272-276, 280-281, 289-290). Robert Cotton had written a history of Henry III of England (a thinly-veiled political commentary paralleling King James’ reign), and John Selden’s Jani Anglorum takes the history of England through the decease of Henry II. (Graham Parry, The Trophies of Time, pp. 105, 87-88). Among the three of them, they had covered the history of the English kings through Henry VIII. Planned or coincidence?

 

--my book, p. 219, fn 2.

Selden Book,

http://name.umdl.umich.edu/A59093.0001.001.

 

 

 

 

Sadly, the link to the Selden book goes to an error message...

 

[Christie Waldman]

http://name.umdl.umich.edu/A59093.0001.001 https://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=eebo;idno=A59093.0001.001 It does not open  directly from the SirBacon website, apparently, for some reason; but it does open. I have both of these links open right now. Perhaps this will help you find it, from the website: The reverse or back-face of the English Janus to-wit, all that is met with in story concerning the common and statute-law of English Britanny, from the first memoirs of the two nations, to the decease of King Henry II. set down and tackt together succinctly by way of narrative : designed, devoted and dedicated to the most illustrious the Earl of Salisbury / written in Latin by John Selden ... ; and rendred into English by Redman Westcot, Gent. Selden, John, 1584-1654., Littleton, Adam, 1627-1694., White, Robert, 1645-1703. London: Printed for Thomas Basset, and Richard Chiswell, MDCLXXXII [1682]

[Light-of-Truth]

5 hours ago, Christie Waldman said:

http://name.umdl.umich.edu/A59093.0001.001 https://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=eebo;idno=A59093.0001.001 It does not open  directly from the SirBacon website, apparently, for some reason; but it does open. I have both of these links open right now. Perhaps this will help you find it, from the website: The reverse or back-face of the English Janus to-wit, all that is met with in story concerning the common and statute-law of English Britanny, from the first memoirs of the two nations, to the decease of King Henry II. set down and tackt together succinctly by way of narrative : designed, devoted and dedicated to the most illustrious the Earl of Salisbury / written in Latin by John Selden ... ; and rendred into English by Redman Westcot, Gent. Selden, John, 1584-1654., Littleton, Adam, 1627-1694., White, Robert, 1645-1703. London: Printed for Thomas Basset, and Richard Chiswell, MDCLXXXII [1682]

I think with the first link you need to be logged in with an account. The second link works for me! 🙂

Here is an interesting image of the title page on another site:

https://collections.library.yale.edu/catalog/2004515

Thank you, Christie!!

[Christie Waldman]

I wonder if there are any acrostics in that title page.

If you scroll down past the translator's and author's prefaces (for now), it is not so boring a book as it might seem. Take a look at the first paragraph of Selden's "English Janus" (first published in 1610, according to https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Dictionary_of_National_Biography,_1885-1900/Selden,_John ("DNB," 213; see 212-213. John Selden's dates: 1584-1654).

From the Beginning of the BRITISH Story down to the NORMAN Conquest.

CHAP. I.

The counterfeit Berosus with the Monk that put him forth, both cen∣sured. The Story of Samothes the first Celtick King. The bounds of Celtica. From Samothes, say they, the Britans and Gauls were called Samothei. For which Diogenes Laertius is falsly quoted; the word in him, being Semnothei.

THERE came forth, and in Buskins too (I mean, with Pomp and State) some parcels of years ago, and is still handed about every where, an Author, called Berosus a Chaldee Priest (take heed how you suffer your self to believe him to be the same that Flavius Jo∣sephus so often up and down quotes for a witness) with a Commentary of Viterbiensis. Or, rather to say that which is the very truth, John Annius of Viterbium (a City of Tuscany) a Dominican Frier, playing the Leger-de-main, having counterfeited Be∣rosus,Page  2 to put off his own strange stories, hath put a cheat upon the Lady Muse who is the Governess of Antiquities, and has hung a Bantling at her back.

***

What is he insinuating?

John Selden is an important figure in English legal history, but "his studies were ... not confined to the law" (DNB, link given above, 212). The Selden Society, devoted to the study of British legal history, is named after him. Selden worked for and became friends with  Robert Cotton, from whose vast library Bacon, and others, borrowed many hard-to-find books (Bacon borrowed from Cotton when he was writing his History of Henry VII, says Vickers, in the Vickers edition, intro.). Selden was acquainted with Ben Jonson and William Camden as early as 1605 (DNB, 212) and with the poets of his day (DNB, 213). Selden dedicated his book A Brief Discourse Touching the Lord Chancellor of England ... and presented it to Bacon in 1617 (the year Bacon was made Lord Keeper). (Full text available in 1671 ed. from https://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=eebo;idno=A59075.0001.001).

I talk about Selden in my book (35, 43, 47, 52, 123, 143, 144, 163, 188, 217, 219).

[Allisnum2er]

54 minutes ago, Christie Waldman said:

I wonder if there are any acrostics in that title page.

Hi Christie,

Here is what I see. 🙂 

https://collections.library.yale.edu/catalog/2004515

FRANCIS BA CON AB (Our ENGLISH JANUS)

Edited December 8, 2022 by Allisnum2er

[Eric Roberts]

On 2/24/2022 at 3:14 AM, A Phoenix said:

                 HIS SECOND EDITOR THOMAS TENISON (AFTERWARDS ARCHBISHOP OF CANTERBURY REVEALS THAT FRANCIS BACON IS SHAKESPEARE

As with his first editor Dr Rawley, his second editor Thomas Tenison secretly knew that Lord Bacon was the true author of the Shakespeare works, and he was also familiar with the cipher systems inserted by FB in the Shakespeare First Folio and other Baconian works (the bi-literal, simple and kay ciphers, etc) which he alludes to in the two passages below.  The title page of his 1679 edition of Baconiana secretly makes use of the simple cipher concealing and revealing that Lord Bacon is Shakespeare but perhaps the most simple and elegant of all ciphers used in the Baconian-Rosicrucian canon arrives on p. 259. The line across the top of page 259 reads 'That is, Francis Bacon': 259 is Shakespeare in kay cipher, thus we read across the top line, that Francis Bacon is Shakespeare.

The fairest, and most correct Edition of this Book in Latine, is that in Folio, printed at London, Anno 1623. And whosever understand the Lord Bacon’s Cypher, let him consult that accurate Edition. For, in some other Editions which I have perused, the form of the Letters of the Alphabet, in which much of the Mysterie consisteth, is not observed: But the Roman and Italic shapes of them are confounded. 

 [Thomas Tenison, ed., Baconiana. Or Certain Genuine Remaines Of Sir Francis Bacon (London: printed by J. D. for Richard Chiswell, 1679), pp. 27-8]

 And those who have true skill in the Works of the Lord Verulam, [Lord Bacon] like great Masters in Painting, can tell by the Design, the Strength, the way of Colouring, whether he was the Author of this or the other Piece, though his Name be not to it.

 [Thomas Tenison, ed., Baconiana. Or Certain Genuine Remaines Of Sir Francis Bacon (London: printed by J. D. for Richard Chiswell, 1679), p. 79]

Hi A. Phoenix. Thank you for this extraordinary post. Do you happen to know the title of the book in Latin Tenison is referring to as displaying Francis Bacon's use of cipher, published in 1623? Archbishop Tenison's coffin was recently discovered (2017) in a sealed off vault beneath St Mary-at-Lambeth, London. The same vault also contained the coffins of Archbishop Richard Bancroft, "chief overseer" of the translation of the KJV, and three other archbishops.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-39613462

https://archive.org/details/baconianaorcerta01baco/page/n7/mode/2up

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Tenison

https://artuk.org/discover/artworks/thomas-tenison-16361715-undergraduate-16531657-fellow-1662-archbishop-of-canterbury-16941715-193631

c. 1700. Artist unknown. Cambridge.

Edited December 8, 2022 by Eric Roberts

[Christie Waldman]

Hi Yann, thank you for looking. So there isn't anything clear, I guess, with acrostics, that I see, anyway.

[A Phoenix]

Hi Eric,

I have provided the link for the 1623 De Augmentis referred to by Dr Tenison and its 1640 English translation as well as our own paper The Fraudulent Friedmans where it is discussed in relation to the 1623 Shakespeare First Folio and the very interesting Cryptomenytices et Cryptographiae (1624). 

De Augmentis Scientiarum 1623 (see pages 277-84)

https://archive.org/details/aoperafranciscib00baco/page/284/mode/2up

Its first English translation The Advancement of Learning 1640 (see pages 264-71)

https://archive.org/details/ofadvancementp00baco/page/270/mode/2up

A Phoenix,The Fraudulent Friedmans (see p. 67ff)

https://www.academia.edu/81465877/The_Fraudulent_Friedmans_The_Bacon_Ciphers_in_the_Shakespeare_Works

 

 

[Light-of-Truth]

2 hours ago, Christie Waldman said:

Hi Yann, thank you for looking. So there isn't anything clear, I guess, with acrostics, that I see, anyway.

Yann visually demonstrates:

FRANCIS BA CON AB (Our ENGLISH JANUS)

I like it. 🙂

 

[Christie Waldman]

Yann and Light-of-Truth, can you help me to see where you are getting that, please.

Janus, the two-headed god, doorkeeper, from which the word "janitor" comes, looks both forward and back, like Bacon.  The "J" could be an "I," sounding kind of like "Yann." A search of opensourceshakespeare.org reveals just one use of "Janus" in Shakespeare, in The Merchant of Venice, I, 1, 54 (1864 Globe ed.). At 50:

Not in love neither? Then let us say you are sad,
Because you are not merry: and 'twere as easy
For you to laugh and leap and say you are merry,
Because you are not sad. Now, by two-headed Janus,
Nature hath framed strange fellows in her time:

Also, just a note on something that is confusing: Bacon wrote The Advancement of Learning  in English (1605). He expanded (augmented) it in the Latin De augmentis scientiarum ("De aug"), 1623 (as the notes to the Internet Archive copies explain).  Bacon greatly expanded his treatment of ciphers in the De aug.  Watts' 1640 translation of the De aug has been criticized. His title is (deliberately?) confusing: "Of the advancement and proficience of learning; or, The partitions of sciences· Nine books. Written in Latin by the most eminent, illustrious, and famous Lord Francis Bacon Baron of Verulam, Vicount St. Alban, Councellor of Estate, and Lord Chancellor of England. Interpreted by Gilbert Watts.").

Spedding's  translation of the ciphers text in the De Aug is at vol 4, p. 444. See also Spedding's appendix on the art of writing in cipher, Spedding vol 1, p. 841 (Longmans ed., 1857-1874)).  It can be read at HathiTrust, the University of Michigan site, if you can access it.

As to the 1640 Watts translation, from the Dictionary of National Biography, regarding the confusing title,

"Watts translated Bacon's ‘De Augmentis Scientiarum,’ and his rendering called ‘Of the Advancement and Proficience of Learning, of the Partitions of Sciences,’ Oxford, 1640, fol., was highly praised on its appearance.  https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Dictionary_of_National_Biography,_1885-1900/Watts,_Gilbert.

Here is Joseph Deavey's translation. Book 6, chapter 1, page 247, https://archive.org/details/advancementofl00baco. Or here: https://oll.libertyfund.org/title/bacon-the-advancement-of-learning

Looks like a De augmentis translation is planned for volumes 9 and 10 of the Oxford Francis Bacon. http://www.oxfordfrancisbacon.com/planned-volumes/

The Folger Library has William T. Smedley's copy of the book. https://collections.folger.edu/detail/De-augmentis-scientiarum-English/cd4e5ab4-bf6e-4231-b24c-3651ade2721d.

https://collections.folger.edu/detail/De-augmentis-scientiarum-English/86cf341c-707c-43aa-bdcc-9718f8bd1832

William T. Smedley, Baconian scholar, author of The Mystery of Francis Bacon (1912). You can download the book in pdf here at SirBacon.  https://sirbacon.org/the-mystery-of-francis-bacon-by-william-t-smedley/ and do the google search here on this site for other entries for Smedley at SirBacon.

Sometimes it is really worth poking around on the internet!

 

JUST FOUND! YOU ALL WILL WANT TO READ THIS!

"Shakespeare and Bacon (by Dr. Gervinus)," Anthologia, Sept. 10, 2022

https://www.anthologiablog.com/post/dr-gervinus-shakespeare-and-bacon

OK, that's enough from me for now.

 

 

[Light-of-Truth]

2 hours ago, Christie Waldman said:

Yann and Light-of-Truth, can you help me to see where you are getting that, please.

Hi Christie!

From Yann's post. the red letters spell out FRANCJS (J being I), and the blue letters as two BACONs with a BA and Con going forwards and backwards like a Janus.

I've had fun with TO-WIT today on the fly. Two T's (Two Pillars) with O-WI 44 Simple cipher between. Driving me batty is that 44 Simple cipher has come up many times on the B'Hive, likely from Yann or me, yet a B'Hive search produces nothing. BECAUSE the number 44 and the ciphers were probably in an image that is not able to be indexed by search! Too much valuable knowledge lost! UGH

Yann? Remember what you found on 44? I remember that Elizabeth is involved. I may look and find, but it should be a quick search away at any moment forever.

TO is 33 Simple cipher. WIT is kind of a hint at William Tudor I. WIT is a very common theme and hint in the Sonnets, especially with acrostics. Not just the Sonnets, all of Shakespeare's works. TWO and WIT are almost married.

🙂

 

 

[Allisnum2er]

3 hours ago, Christie Waldman said:

Janus, the two-headed god, doorkeeper, from which the word "janitor" comes, looks both forward and back, like Bacon.  The "J" could be an "I," sounding kind of like "Yann." A search of opensourceshakespeare.org reveals just one use of "Janus" in Shakespeare, in The Merchant of Venice, I, 1, 54 (1864 Globe ed.). At 50:

Not in love neither? Then let us say you are sad,
Because you are not merry: and 'twere as easy
For you to laugh and leap and say you are merry,
Because you are not sad. Now, by two-headed Janus,
Nature hath framed strange fellows in her time:

Hi Christie,

Do not hesitate to use the great Research Engine of SirBacon.org and of this forum. You will find several topics talking about Janus. 😉 

I discovered Janus thanks to the great Work of Simon Miles on the Janus Signature in the Merchant of Venice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EDPrgjcl20 (The Janus Signature at 50:00)

You have also the great academic paper of A Phoenix talking about it : Francis Bacon (Bassanio/Bellario) and Anthony Bacon (the titular character Antonio) and The Merchant of Venice - https://aphoenix1.academia.edu/research

And for adding something new ...

There is an incredible Janus Signature , at the very beginning of the play "Richard II", on page 345 of the First Folio ( the 3-4-5 triangle is a lovely one) 🙂 

https://internetshakespeare.uvic.ca/Library/facsimile/book/Bran_F1/345/index.html%3fzoom=1200.html)

A - NOCA B ACON  - A

The fact is that in hebrew the letter Beth (B) ב  , the first letter of Genesis, is composed of 3 letters ( Beth, Yod and Tav or B; I and T)

BIT = ב (B)

 

Edited December 9, 2022 by Allisnum2er
Link to internetshakespeare.uvic.ca

[Allisnum2er]

23 minutes ago, Light-of-Truth said:

I've had fun with TO-WIT today on the fly. Two T's (Two Pillars) with O-WI 44 Simple cipher between. Driving me batty is that 44 Simple cipher has come up many times on the B'Hive, likely from Yann or me, yet a B'Hive search produces nothing. BECAUSE the number 44 and the ciphers were probably in an image that is not able to be indexed by search! Too much valuable knowledge lost! UGH

Yann? Remember what you found on 44? I remember that Elizabeth is involved. I may look and find, but it should be a quick search away at any moment forever.

TO is 33 Simple cipher. WIT is kind of a hint at William Tudor I. WIT is a very common theme and hint in the Sonnets, especially with acrostics. Not just the Sonnets, all of Shakespeare's works. TWO and WIT are almost married.

Great find Rob ! 🙂 And yes, I perfectly know what represents the number 44 for me...  this is the Child ( yeled in Hebrew = 44) with the Blood ( dam in hebrew = 44) of the Phoenix (Chol in hebrew =44) And you also have REX in latin (King) = 44 and LIBER (FREE)=44 ( Italic God of wine  equivalent of the God Bacchus/ Bacco ) 😉 

I've also had fun with TO-WIT yesterday 😃

https://internetshakespeare.uvic.ca/Library/facsimile/book/Bran_F1/2/index.html%3fzoom=1200.html

As you rightly say : "TWO AND WIT are almost married." 🙂 

 

Edited December 9, 2022 by Allisnum2er