Forum Admin Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 A great starting resource and a popular page on SirBacon.org is the "Evidence" page: Baconian Evidence for Shakespeare Authorship The page has a list of evidence and several important links to more information. This page can be updated. Please feel free to offer a suggestion of what may be added. Together we can build a supreme Baconian Authorship introduction for people who are just beginning to ask the question about who wrote Shakespeare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Phoenix Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Francis Bacon's nom-de-plume Shakespeare (shaker of the spear) inspired by his muse Pallas Athena. 2 https://aphoenix1.academia.edu/ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrY7wzlXnZiT1Urwx7jP6fQ/videos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Phoenix Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Francis Bacon's collection of mss otherwise known as the Northumberland Manuscript which originally held copies of his two Shakespeare plays Richard II and Richard III. 2 https://aphoenix1.academia.edu/ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrY7wzlXnZiT1Urwx7jP6fQ/videos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light-of-Truth Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 I suspect Dee had some role in the name "Shakespeare" as well. The Sonnets hint in several places that he may have be the director of Bacon's life, which Bacon was not so happy about. I feel Bacon's emotion in Sonnet 14. Sonnet 14 which appears to be about Dee (and Dee = 14 Simple cipher): NOt from the stars do I my iudgement plucke, And yet me thinkes I haue Astronomy, But not to tell of good,or euil lucke, Of plagues,of dearths,or seasons quallity, Nor can I fortune to breefe mynuits tell; Pointing to each his thunder,raine and winde, Or say with Princes if it shal go wel By oft predict that I in heauen finde. But from thine eies my knowledge I deriue, And constant stars in them I read such art As truth and beautie shal together thriue If from thy selfe,to store thou wouldst conuert: Or else of thee this I prognosticate, Thy end is Truthes and Beauties doome and date. Even the name "Francis Bacon" could have been given by Dee, to Elizabeth. Bacon did live his life and run with the cards he was dealt, but his frustration appears in his Sonnets auto-biography. 1 T A A A A A A A A A A A T 157 www.Light-of-Truth.com 287 <-- 1 8 8 1 1 O 1 1 8 8 1 --> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Phoenix Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 Secret Baconian-Rosicrucian Methods of Delivery. 2 https://aphoenix1.academia.edu/ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrY7wzlXnZiT1Urwx7jP6fQ/videos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Phoenix Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 In time the hidden truth will be revealed. 1 https://aphoenix1.academia.edu/ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrY7wzlXnZiT1Urwx7jP6fQ/videos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allisnum2er Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, A Phoenix said: Secret Baconian-Rosicrucian Methods of Delivery. Another very instructive Book of Emblems is ETHICO-POLITICA EMBLEMATA by Johann Kreihing and Jacob van Meurs, published in 1661. https://archive.org/details/gri_33125010375166/page/n61/mode/2up Here is my take on it. 1661 is a palindromic number and 16 + 61 = 77 that is the simple cipher of MINERVA the Spear-shaker, who was Francis Bacon's muse and the origin of his pen name "SHAKE-SPEARE" The simple cipher of SHAKESPEARE is 103 , and in this Book of Emblems, the Emblem CIII (103) represents ... MINERVA , The Spear-Shaker and Cupid/EROS ! Notice the cross on top of the helmet of Minerva. Knowing that EROS is the anagram of ROSE, I think that the ROSE-CROSS is here in disguise. Moreover , we are on the page 143 and 143 is the simple cipher of QUEEN ELIZABETH. Now, if SHAKESPEARE = 103 , WILLIAM SHAKE-SPEARE = 177. The book is written in Latin and CXXI (121) is precisely the simple cipher of FRANCISCI BACONI (The latinized name of Francis Bacon) The mystery of Shake-speare's true identity is solved ! But that's not all. A floor black and white checkerboard appears on four Emblems. This is the same principle than in Minerva Britanna with 33 = BACON and 33+34 = 67 = FRANCIS. The Emblem on page 33 depicts two wrestlers, who are a reference to POLLUX one of the two divine Twins (Castor and Pollux). The statue is a reference to Athena Parthenos but here she wears a hat and holds a laurel wreath in one hand and in the other hand ... a SPEAR-SHAKER standing on the GLOBE ! The Emblem on page 34 depicts different characters, each of them with a jester's hat. Notice the soldier (a spear shaker) on the right , with the boots of an actor ... a reference to William Shaksper, the actor ! Finally , the Emblem CL (150) makes a reference to JUPITER and JANUS. And in the Emblem CLIII (153) the Painter point to the painting of a Hog and right above his staff we can see a painting of ... BACON ! By the way , 150 + 153 = 303 😉 Edited February 17, 2022 by Allisnum2er 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light-of-Truth Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 BINGO! I've never seen nor heard of those emblems, but every book of emblems that I have heard of and looked at held secrets. Fascinating! In our collective work, "Emblems" may need a special focus. I have some to share as well, and enjoy discovering new ones which is almost as fruitful as finding anagrams, acrostic, gematria ciphers, and often they mix. 😉 Emblem CLVII (157), what does "nos quoque floruimus" mean? T A A A A A A A A A A A T 157 www.Light-of-Truth.com 287 <-- 1 8 8 1 1 O 1 1 8 8 1 --> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allisnum2er Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, Light-of-Truth said: BINGO! I've never seen nor heard of those emblems, but every book of emblems that I have heard of and looked at held secrets. Fascinating! In our collective work, "Emblems" may need a special focus. I have some to share as well, and enjoy discovering new ones which is almost as fruitful as finding anagrams, acrostic, gematria ciphers, and often they mix. 😉 Emblem CLVII (157), what does "nos quoque floruimus" mean? It is a line from TRISTIA written by the poet OVID. "NOS QUOQUE FLORUIMUS, SED FLOS ERAT ILLE CADUCUS, FLAMMAQUE DE STIPULA NOSTRA BREVISQUE " “I too had my day, but that day was fleeting; my fire was but a straw and short-lived.” Regardind the number 157 , you should take a look at the Emblem CX (110) on page 157, which (I believe) is connected with the Emblem XLVIII(48) on page 60. We can see here three characters. One of them is BACON showing us a WHEEL ( WILL ) in the background, near a cubique structure. ALL IS NUMBER - we have 3 characters , the circle that represents the number 1 and the cubique structure that represents the number 4. 314 is the number Pi and also the simple count of FRATERNITY OF THE ROSI CROSSE. And here is the Emblem CX (110) on page 157, that represents ... A WHEEL ( WILL ) ! Perseverandum ( We will persevere ) PER SEDULUS BACON IN MEDIO (By the industrious Bacon in the midst) And you know what ? CX (110) + XLVIII (48) = CLVIII (158) and 158 is the simple cipher of ELIZABETH TUDOR ! 🙂 And I like the idea that C(3) + L(11) + V(20) + I(9) + I(9) + I(9) = 61 the simple cipher of JANUS ! Finally, there is also a connection with "Mathematical Magicks". https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=osu.32435018035212&view=1up&seq=33&skin=2021 The Wheel ( WILL ) / Axis in Peritrochio : 33 (BACON) Edited February 18, 2022 by Allisnum2er 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allisnum2er Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 17 hours ago, Light-of-Truth said: BINGO! I've never seen nor heard of those emblems, but every book of emblems that I have heard of and looked at held secrets. Fascinating! In our collective work, "Emblems" may need a special focus. I have some to share as well, and enjoy discovering new ones which is almost as fruitful as finding anagrams, acrostic, gematria ciphers, and often they mix. 😉 Emblem CLVII (157), what does "nos quoque floruimus" mean? "NOS QUOQUE FLORUIMUS, SED FLOS ERAT ILLE CADUCUS, FLAMMAQUE DE STIPULA NOSTRA BREVISQUE " is more exactly a line from TRISTIA Book V Elegy VIII. I believe that this choice was deliberate, and is a reference to the most important Book of Emblems of all time : THE TAROT ! FRANCIS BACON ( IUSTICE - VIII - 53) TRANSFORMING (ARCANE XIII) THE WORLD ( LE MONDE - XXI) VIII + XIII = XXI The next Emblem ( CLVIII - 158) seems to give credit to this idea . Sic transit gloria mundi "Thus passes the glory of the world." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Phoenix Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 The Secret Signature of Francis Bacon on the first and last page of the narrative Shakespeare poem The Rape of Lucrece. 2 https://aphoenix1.academia.edu/ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrY7wzlXnZiT1Urwx7jP6fQ/videos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Phoenix Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 (edited) The mural at the White Hart Hotel, used by Bacon as a Rosicrucian Lodge in the seventeenth century, situated on the edge of his Gorhambury estate in St Albans, depicts the death of Adonis from his Shakespeare poem Venus and Adonis. https://sirbacon.org/links/bokenham.html l Edited February 26, 2022 by Lawrence Gerald missing letter l in html link, now working 2 https://aphoenix1.academia.edu/ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrY7wzlXnZiT1Urwx7jP6fQ/videos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Phoenix Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 The little known eight Shakespeare Quartos discovered at Francis Bacon's Gorhambury estate. In 1909 eight Shakespeare quartos were discovered at Gorhambury most likely transferred from Bacon’s personal library in the old Gorhambury House, which were placed for safe-keeping into the care of Bodleian Library, where they still remain to the present day. Could you just imagine the headlines around the world if eight Shakespeare quartos were discovered in the house of Shakspere of Stratford or one of his relatives or descendants! [Jean Overton Fuller, Francis Bacon A Biography (London and The Hague: East-West Publications, 1981), p. 362. Lawrence Gerald, ‘The Discovery of Eight Shakespeare Quartos in Bacon’s Library’, available at https://sirbacon.org/eightquartos.html to whom we are indebted for their reproduction] 1 1 https://aphoenix1.academia.edu/ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrY7wzlXnZiT1Urwx7jP6fQ/videos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allisnum2er Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, A Phoenix said: The Secret Signature of Francis Bacon on the first and last page of the narrative Shakespeare poem The Rape of Lucrece. I just noticed one interesting thing that should please you !🙂 FROM the besieged Ardea all in post, Borne by the trustlesse wings of false desire, Lust-breathed TARQVIN, leaues the Roman host, And to Colatium beares the lightlesse fire, VVhich in pale embers hid, lurkes to aspire, And girdle with embracing flames, the wast Of C O L A T I N E S fair loue, L V C R E C E the chast. Hap'ly that name of chast, vnhap'ly set This batelesse edge on his keene appetite: When COLATINE vnwisely did not let, To praise the cleare vnmatched red and white, Which triumpht in that skie of his delight: Where mortal stars as bright as heauēs Beauties, With pure aspects did him peculiar dueties. THE WINGS HID F BACON - SUB UMBRA ALARUM TUARUM - ( UNDER THE SHADOW OF THY WINGS ) https://archive.org/details/mirrorofmaiestie00hggoiala/page/10/mode/2up Edited February 19, 2022 by Allisnum2er 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light-of-Truth Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 Curious on the spelling of "M. William Shak-speare". M W = 33 Simple cipher. WILLIAM SHAK is 111 Simple cipher, same as the Kay cipher for BACON. SHAK is S=18, H=8, A= 1 and K=10 so 188110 I mentioned those numbers in relation to "time", but they are also in the letter "F" row in this table key: Just a curious spelling I think. 1 T A A A A A A A A A A A T 157 www.Light-of-Truth.com 287 <-- 1 8 8 1 1 O 1 1 8 8 1 --> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Phoenix Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Allisnum2er said: I just noticed one interesting thing that should please you !🙂 FROM the besieged Ardea all in post, Borne by the trustlesse wings of false desire, Lust-breathed TARQVIN, leaues the Roman host, And to Colatium beares the lightlesse fire, VVhich in pale embers hid, lurkes to aspire, And girdle with embracing flames, the wast Of C O L A T I N E S fair loue, L V C R E C E the chast. Hap'ly that name of chast, vnhap'ly set This batelesse edge on his keene appetite: When COLATINE vnwisely did not let, To praise the cleare vnmatched red and white, Which triumpht in that skie of his delight: Where mortal stars as bright as heauēs Beauties, With pure aspects did him peculiar dueties. THE WINGS HID F BACON - SUB UMBRA ALARUM TUARUM - ( UNDER THE SHADOW OF THY WINGS ) https://archive.org/details/mirrorofmaiestie00hggoiala/page/10/mode/2up Great work Yann! As you know, 'Sub Umbra Alarum Tuarum' (Under The shadow Of Thy Wings) is the last line of the anonymous first Rosicrucian manifesto the Fama Fraternitatis (written by FB) and is alluded to in the frontispiece prefixed to The History of the Royal Society (1667) in which FB is sitting under the wings of the angel and aptly as here revealed by you present in his Shakespeare poem The Rape of Lucrece. 2 https://aphoenix1.academia.edu/ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrY7wzlXnZiT1Urwx7jP6fQ/videos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light-of-Truth Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 Emblems... OK, I need some education. 🙂 I love the old emblems, have a hard back copy of George Withers 1635 (facsimile) emblems which I like to have with me when I am not on my PC, just to look over and get/see new ideas. Today learned that William Marshall did the cover page image for the book I have which is beautiful and amazing. The same Marshall we have kicked around today on another thread in this forum. Emblems go way back, earlier than Shakespeare I believe, often are overt with images and easy to understand clues about what is going on at the time. Like underground comics back in the 60's. How did they get away with it? Were they seen by only those who knew? Bacon is in so many, with numbers that we know about today. Was it fun for him, or did it make him paranoid? Even though I've seen and enjoyed these old "emblems" as long as I have been a Baconian, I really don't know the history about them. They were printed, but who had them? Was it a secret? How did they get away with it? T A A A A A A A A A A A T 157 www.Light-of-Truth.com 287 <-- 1 8 8 1 1 O 1 1 8 8 1 --> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allisnum2er Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 (edited) 59 minutes ago, Light-of-Truth said: Emblems... OK, I need some education. 🙂 I love the old emblems, have a hard back copy of George Withers 1635 (facsimile) emblems which I like to have with me when I am not on my PC, just to look over and get/see new ideas. Today learned that William Marshall did the cover page image for the book I have which is beautiful and amazing. The same Marshall we have kicked around today on another thread in this forum. Emblems go way back, earlier than Shakespeare I believe, often are overt with images and easy to understand clues about what is going on at the time. Like underground comics back in the 60's. How did they get away with it? Were they seen by only those who knew? Bacon is in so many, with numbers that we know about today. Was it fun for him, or did it make him paranoid? Even though I've seen and enjoyed these old "emblems" as long as I have been a Baconian, I really don't know the history about them. They were printed, but who had them? Was it a secret? How did they get away with it? Beautiful Illustration ! I am not an expert. I know that the Emblems were invented by Andrea Alciato who published his first book , Emblematum Liber, in 1531. Here is a great site about Books of Emblems : https://www.emblems.arts.gla.ac.uk/alciato/books.php?id=A31a. I discovered ETHICO-POLITICA EMBLEMATA by Johann Kreihing "accidentally", thanks to Mystery of Francis Bacon by William T Smedley (1996) that mentionned some Books on Emblems, of which EMBLEMATA ETHICO POLITICA by J. Bornitius. Edited February 19, 2022 by Allisnum2er 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light-of-Truth Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 (edited) A. Phoenix: "As you know, 'Sub Umbra Alarum Tuarum' (Under The shadow Of Thy Wings) is the last line of the anonymous first Rosicrucian manifesto the Fama Fraternitatis (written by FB) and is alluded to in the frontispiece prefixed to The History of the Royal Society (1667) in which FB is sitting under the wings of the angel and aptly as here revealed by you present in his Shakespeare poem The Rape of Lucrece." Allisnum2er: "THE WINGS HID F BACON - SUB UMBRA ALARUM TUARUM - ( UNDER THE SHADOW OF THY WINGS )" What does Shakespeare say? Shakespeare - King Henry VIII, Act V, scene 1 Old Lady: I'll not come back; the tidings that I bring Will make my boldness manners. Now, good angels Fly o'er thy royal head, and shade thy person Under their blessed wings! KING HENRY VIII: Now, by thy looks I guess thy message. Is the queen deliver'd? Say, ay; and of a boy. https://luna.folger.edu/luna/servlet/detail/FOLGERCM1~6~6~318103~125493?qvq=q%3ACall_Number%3D"STC 22273 Fo.1 no.68" AND Special_Instructions%3D"Henry VIII" %3Bsort%3AMPSORTORDER1%2CCall_Number%2CCD_Title%2CImprint%3Blc%3AFOLGERCM1~6~6&mi=12&trs=15 Early in the same scene, the word "secret": LOVELL: My lord, I love you; And durst commend a secret to your ear Much weightier than this work. The queen's in labour, In fact, from that "secret and counting it, there are 157 words in the script to the next time "secret" pops up: ...secret to your ear Much weightier than this work. The queen's in labour, They say, in great extremity; and fear'd She'll with the labour end. GARDINER: The fruit she goes with I pray for heartily, that it may find Good time, and live: but for the stock, Sir Thomas, I wish it grubb'd up now. LOVELL: Methinks I could Cry the amen; and yet my conscience says She's a good creature, and, sweet lady, does Deserve our better wishes. GARDINER: But, sir, sir, Hear me, Sir Thomas: you're a gentleman Of mine own way; I know you wise, religious; And, let me tell you, it will ne'er be well, 'Twill not, Sir Thomas Lovell, take't of me, Till Cranmer, Cromwell, her two hands, and she, Sleep in their graves. LOVELL: Now, sir, you speak of two The most remark'd i' the kingdom. As for Cromwell, Beside that of the jewel house, is made master O' the rolls, and the king's secretary And more, including acrostics and a reference to an Hundred Markes. We know FRANCIS BACON is 100 Simple cipher. Wish I had more time to delve into it right now... 🙂 Edited February 20, 2022 by Light-of-Truth 1 T A A A A A A A A A A A T 157 www.Light-of-Truth.com 287 <-- 1 8 8 1 1 O 1 1 8 8 1 --> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allisnum2er Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 The Shephearde's Calender -By Edmund Spenser ( Really ? 🙂) 1579 IF THAT ANY ASKE THY NAME SAY : I AM ALP TAW ( I AM The Beginning and the End , the Alpha and the Omega) I AM F. BACON I AM WILL TUDOR I AM IMMERITO TITUS ANDRONICUS (Act 4 - Scene 4) Tam. King, be thy thoughts imperious, like thy name. Is the sunne dim'd, that Gnats do flie in it? The Eagle suffers little Birds to sing, And is not carefull what they meane thereby, Knowing that with the shadow of his wings He can at pleasure stint their melodie: Even so mayest thou, the giddy men of Rome, Then cheare thy spirit, for know, thou Emperour, I will enchaunt the old Andronicus With words more sweet, and yet more dangerous, Than baits to fish, or hony stalkes to sheepe, When as the one is wounded with the baite, The other rotted with delicious feed. King. But he will not entreat his Sonne for us. Tam. If Tamora entreat him, then he will, For I can smooth and fill his aged eare, With golden promises, that were his heart Almost impregnable, his old eares deafe, Yet should both eare and heart obey my tongue. Goe thou before, be our Embassadour, Say that the Emperour requests a parly Of warlike Lucius, and appoint the meeting. King. Emillius, do this message Honourably: And if he stand on Hostage for his safety Bid him demaund what pledge will please him best. BACON William Tudor F.BAGO'S WAY 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allisnum2er Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 9 hours ago, Light-of-Truth said: And more, including acrostics and a reference to an Hundred Markes. We know FRANCIS BACON is 100 Simple cipher. Wish I had more time to delve into it right now... 🙂 I am looking forward to reading more ! 🙂 And talking about 100, the simple cipher of FRANCIS BACON ... HEKATOMPATHIA by Thomas Watson ( Really ? 🙂 ) 1582 HEKATON is the Greek word for the number 100. Notice the upside-down AA Headpiece. Find the second one and you will find the truth ! 😉 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Phoenix Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 Hi Maestro Yann, all of the above is a sublime virtuoso performance that provides us with some insight into the breadth and depth of your reading, research and rare learning, as well as your unusual cerebral capacity to identify and illuminate all before you. Brilliant! 1 1 https://aphoenix1.academia.edu/ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrY7wzlXnZiT1Urwx7jP6fQ/videos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light-of-Truth Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 ...the tydings that I bring Will More fun, the "C", then the first letters on the left: Enter Olde Lady. Gent. within. Come backe: what meane you? Lady. Ile not come backe, the tydings that I bring Will make my boldnesse, manners. Now good Angels Fly o're thy Royall head, and shade thy person Vnder their blessed wings. King. Now by thy lookes I gesse thy Message. Is the Queene deliuer'd? Say I, and of a boy. Lady. I, I my Liege, And of a louely Boy: the God of heauen Both now, and euer blesse her: 'Tis a Gyrle Promises Boyes heereafter. Sir, your Queen Desires your Visitation, and to be Acquainted with this stranger; 'tis as like you, As Cherry, is to Cherry. C Will F V I S An Bot Pro D Anagram: F Bacon is P Will Tudor Francis Bacon is Prince Will Tudor, "in the shade under the blessed wings." 1 T A A A A A A A A A A A T 157 www.Light-of-Truth.com 287 <-- 1 8 8 1 1 O 1 1 8 8 1 --> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allisnum2er Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 22 minutes ago, A Phoenix said: Hi Maestro Yann, all of the above is a sublime virtuoso performance that provides us with some insight into the breadth and depth of your reading, research and rare learning, as well as your unusual cerebral capacity to identify and illuminate all before you. Brilliant! Thank you A. Phoenix ! Your kind words move me enormously. There is a lot of discoveries that I'm looking forward to sharing with you on this incredible board, some discoveries that I made few years ago, some others that I made very recently thanks to this marvellous forum and the great minds who share, here, their knowledge and their passion ! I LOVE this collaborative work ! And LOVE is the key ! Thank you again. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light-of-Truth Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 Quote I LOVE this collaborative work ! And LOVE is the key ! Thank you again. I too am thrilled with your work! For too many years I felt alone in my world, sometimes feeling as if I were the only one who could see like I do. Now I know better, and not only do you see like I do, you have a much wider range of knowledge. Thank you!!!!! 2 T A A A A A A A A A A A T 157 www.Light-of-Truth.com 287 <-- 1 8 8 1 1 O 1 1 8 8 1 --> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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