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For Supernaturall fun...

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SHAK is S=18, H=8, A=1, K= 10.

188110

ETERNITY is 188 Kaye and 110 Simple cipher.

Those letters stand out, but others do too. 😉

CJ pointed out the AA and SS, here we have WW appear to appear.

For me the Double A represents 157 and 287. But it is also written about as being a Headpiece for Bacon.

WS twice? William Shakespeare for one. And we could say S=18, 1+8=9, 9=T, so WT is William Tudor.

"Thinges Supernaturall, are, of the minde onely, comprehended"

Just having fun. 🙂

 

 

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14 minutes ago, Light-of-Truth said:

I am happy seeing it! I may conjure up some Bacon ideas myself from what you demonstrate, but you are wise in not finding magic elegant.

in 1570 something was written by John Dee that I have found comfort in almost as much as Prosperos prologue.

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/22062/22062-h/22062-h.htm

I'm bolding a few points:

All thinges which are, & haue beyng, are found vnder a triple diuersitie generall. For, either, they are demed Supernaturall, Naturall, or, of a third being. Thinges Supernaturall, are immateriall, simple, indiuisible, incorruptible, & vnchangeable. Things Naturall, are materiall, compounded, diuisible, corruptible, and chaungeable. Thinges Supernaturall, are, of the minde onely, comprehended: Things Naturall, of the sense exterior, ar hable to be perceiued. In thinges Naturall, probabilitie and coniecture hath place: But in things Supernaturall, chief demõstration, & most sure Science is to be had. By which properties & comparasons of these two, more easily may be described, the state, condition, nature and property of those thinges, which, we before termed of a third being: which, by a peculier name also, are called Thynges Mathematicall. For, these, beyng (in a maner) middle, betwene thinges supernaturall and naturall: are not so absolute and excellent, as thinges supernatural: Nor yet so base and grosse, as things naturall: But are thinges immateriall: and neuerthelesse, by materiall things hable somewhat to be signified. And though their particular Images, by Art, are aggregable and diuisible: yet the generall Formes, notwithstandyng, are constant, vnchaungeable, vntrãsformable, and incorruptible. Neither of the sense, can they, at any tyme, be perceiued or iudged. Nor yet, for all that, in the royall mynde of man, first conceiued. But, surmountyng the imperfectiõ of coniecture, weenyng and opinion: and commyng short of high intellectuall cõceptiõ, are the Mercurial fruite of Dianœticall discourse, in perfect imagination subsistyng. A meruaylous newtralitie haue these thinges Mathematicall, and also a straunge participatiõ betwene thinges supernaturall, immortall, intellectual, simple and indiuisible: and thynges naturall, mortall, sensible, compounded and diuisible. Probabilitie and sensible prose, may well serue in thinges naturall: and is commendable: In Mathematicall reasoninges, a probable Argument, is nothyng regarded: nor yet the testimony of sense, any whit credited: But onely a perfect demonstration, of truthes certaine, necessary, and inuincible: vniuersally and necessaryly concluded: is allowed as sufficient for an Argument exactly and purely Mathematical.

 

CJ, I have no doubts you are well studied in this paragraph. You kind of play the role for the Naturall in my opinion. Yet Dee tells us, "Things Naturall, are materiall, compounded, diuisible, corruptible, and chaungeable." I am aware I tend to be representing the Supernaturall, "Thinges Supernaturall, are, of the minde onely, comprehended".

Some days you present the third thynge, Mathematicall. 😉

When I ponder and wonder on Dee's brilliant mind, I try to define the third thing in my mind. It is in the "beyng (in a maner) middle, betwene thinges supernaturall and naturall".

Funny how things Mathematical and Synchronicity things share the same space, in between Supernatural and Natural.

20 some years enjoying revisiting Dee's 1570 work I have not come to a real conclusion, even though I love coming back!

What I mostly love about numbers is how they work. The weather does not change them, nor the language spoken, the tools to arrive at the answers, and so on. The numbers work today as they did thousands of years ago when our ancestors first started learning them as do the sun, the seasons, stars and planets, and life itself.

CJ, you may possibly have a PHD in Western Esoteric Studies, how would you explain Dee's "third thing"?

Love your example above!!

We've obviously made efforts to call things by different words or expressions. 

What we call natural is what we have evidence for in Nature that serves as the demonstrable and repeatable in science. We can know things well enough with science to use them for our own engineering feats to even possibly contend with the forces of Nature. What is not touchable by science may as well be called supernatural, but that is really just all that we can know that we haven't touched on yet. Science won't consider it until it has a reason to. Some of this has the potential to be brought into the natural with effort.  There is also the supernatural which we can never know, like the Wizard of Oz behind the curtain which represents the horizon at a singularity. Then completely aside from that there is the imaginary which we feel might be real for very personal reasons. This speaks to what we lack and long for. It is open to suggestion and subject to being made into what we desire. It is also extremely self referential. We can think of imagination as a place where synthesis can be explored by the mind.

I would never argue that people don't have feeling about things they imagine or that they cannot be made to accept suggestions about it. The imaginary can be made real enough in the sense that it can operate and affect the natural. You can have pure dread from outcomes that exist only in stories.

What Dee suggests is partly from his preference and his training. He did not know because knowing isn't really in our cards. He certainly did not know from performing parlor tricks to influence people. I believe he possessed the magic that can alter people's thinking. No one becomes influential who cannot do this. Using this power for good is in short supply in our world. Political science has morphed into a form of black magic in my opinion. Bacon may have imagined that a better way was to stealthily teach philosophy to the masses. God knows we don't do that today. We live in cults of personality  where being the object of want and desire is seen as a great prize. It's extremely exploitable by potent magicians who are never far from us with their fantasies.

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1 hour ago, RoyalCraftiness said:

What Dee suggests is partly from his preference and his training.

Reading almost the entire piece again, my opinion is that Dee is writing to many different levels of understanding. He is definitely speaking from his three things. Each one is different and he moves within them effortlessly. I can't imagine anyone reading and comprehending all three. I am sure many do.

Over the years, sometimes I get what he says in one thing, and later understand one of the other things. No two visits are the same for me.

In my imagination, he was certainly writing for those in power, who could have his head cut off for one wrong sentence.

He was also writing for the literate who were honestly interested in learning. 1570 was a time where knowledge and learning were firing up. That was his base.

And a third thing of people were intended. The visionaries, mystics, magicians who had a different kind of relationship with numbers. I am usually in that club when I read the Praeface, but the other things are also available.

I'm saying there is a little "double speak" in Dee's masterpiece, some of it meant to lead astray the profane while holding a flickering Lamp in the darkness for a few lucky who perceive.

In my opinion, anyway. 😉

 

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10 hours ago, Light-of-Truth said:

Reading almost the entire piece again, my opinion is that Dee is writing to many different levels of understanding. He is definitely speaking from his three things. Each one is different and he moves within them effortlessly. I can't imagine anyone reading and comprehending all three. I am sure many do.

Over the years, sometimes I get what he says in one thing, and later understand one of the other things. No two visits are the same for me.

In my imagination, he was certainly writing for those in power, who could have his head cut off for one wrong sentence.

He was also writing for the literate who were honestly interested in learning. 1570 was a time where knowledge and learning were firing up. That was his base.

And a third thing of people were intended. The visionaries, mystics, magicians who had a different kind of relationship with numbers. I am usually in that club when I read the Praeface, but the other things are also available.

I'm saying there is a little "double speak" in Dee's masterpiece, some of it meant to lead astray the profane while holding a flickering Lamp in the darkness for a few lucky who perceive.

In my opinion, anyway. 😉

 

 

What is the Rule of Three — A Literary Device for Writers (studiobinder.com)

It's considered an archetype. Rosicrucianism will have three manifestos. Things feel more complete in a trilogy. Explanations appear more coherent, descriptions fuller. There's a lot of Art composition which relies on the rule of three. The Arbelos is the composite of three circle suggestions (one positive suggestion and two negative). We experience reality in three spatial dimensions after all. We describe a circle with center, radius and circumference . Tau=cirle circumference/radius is a relationship in 3 things. It is three hundred in Greek. There are three of them in the symbol of the Holy Royal Arch. There are 3^3 units on the side of the perfect Masonic square. The God concept must have a basic threefold relationship in it if we are story telling. Dee was not immune to feel the urge to explain things in threes.

There were three wise men because three confirms what two might only suggest. There were three Novas which appeared in the sky over Europe in short succession. Two is a coincidence, three is a more clearly a pattern. Must there always be three of something? No, not always. When we want to stress that something is not just this or that we can inject a third and imply that the whole picture has an added wrinkle suggesting that something else is at work. Three is the first number that does that. "Can you give me three reasons?" hints that two might not be enough, but three might get me believing. The strengthening that comes from relationship is something we inherently relate to. The third is often different than the first two, as with Cinderella and her sisters.

 

 

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1 hour ago, RoyalCraftiness said:

 

What is the Rule of Three — A Literary Device for Writers (studiobinder.com)

It's considered an archetype. Rosicrucianism will have three manifestos. Things feel more complete in a trilogy. Explanations appear more coherent, descriptions fuller. There's a lot of Art composition which relies on the rule of three. The Arbelos is the composite of three circle suggestions (one positive suggestion and two negative). We experience reality in three spatial dimensions after all. We describe a circle with center, radius and circumference . Tau=cirle circumference/radius is a relationship in 3 things. It is three hundred in Greek. There are three of them in the symbol of the Holy Royal Arch. There are 3^3 units on the side of the perfect Masonic square. The God concept must have a basic threefold relationship in it if we are story telling. Dee was not immune to feel the urge to explain things in threes.

There were three wise men because three confirms what two might only suggest. There were three Novas which appeared in the sky over Europe in short succession. Two is a coincidence, three is a more clearly a pattern. Must there always be three of something? No, not always. When we want to stress that something is not just this or that we can inject a third and imply that the whole picture has an added wrinkle suggesting that something else is at work. Three is the first number that does that. "Can you give me three reasons?" hints that two might not be enough, but three might get me believing. The strengthening that comes from relationship is something we inherently relate to. The third is often different than the first two, as with Cinderella and her sisters.

 

 

Faire,kinde,and true,is all my argument,
Faire,kinde and true,varrying to other words,
And in this change is my inuention spent,
Three theams in one,which wondrous scope affords.
   Faire,kinde,and true,haue often liu'd alone.
   Which three till now,neuer kept seate in one.

 

I couldn't resist... 🙂

 

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18 minutes ago, Light-of-Truth said:

Faire,kinde,and true,is all my argument,
Faire,kinde and true,varrying to other words,
And in this change is my inuention spent,
Three theams in one,which wondrous scope affords.
   Faire,kinde,and true,haue often liu'd alone.
   Which three till now,neuer kept seate in one.

 

I couldn't resist... 🙂

 

Consider it THE template.

In the earliest Oak Island stories you have three boys sailing to an island where they allegedly find a tree with three branches hanging over a circular depression with a block hanging from it over the center. That shaft will be 33 feet above sea level in detail. A stone will be found at the 9th (3^3) level in an arrangement of that divides the first 100 feet into 10 equally spaced partitions.  The well polished stone will be of the proportion of half the perfect stone ashlar, and it will present you with 40 illegible characters. It will allegedly tell you to dig 40 feet below. At 111 feet you will reach the suggestion of a vault which will ultimately sink to the 153 foot level and prove itself to be unattainable. There will be a later curse about the death of a 7th that brings on the treasure. This, of course, is supposed to have happened that way. Are the commonalities with other stories strengthening the suggestion or is it an indication that details were being borrowed with very clear intent? Reality seldom comes to rescue stories. It is always the suggestion that they do that we encounter. This gets presented as a mystery to the unassuming detective. Would you assist monetarily? 

Numbers get used as window dressing, and in other instances they are essential ingredients in good story telling.

In his introduction to Alice's Adventures in Wonderland, Lewis Carrol gives this poem. In his first three stanzas:

All in the golden afternoon
Full leisurely we glide;
For both our oars, with little skill,
By little arms are plied,
While little hands make vain pretence
Our wanderings to guide.

Ah, cruel Three! In such an hour,
Beneath such dreamy weather,
To beg a tale of breath too weak
To stir the tiniest feather!
Yet what can one poor voice avail
Against three tongues together?

Imperious Prima flashes forth
Her edict "to begin it"—
In gentler tones Secunda hopes
"There will be nonsense in it!"—
While Tertia interrupts the tale
Not more than once a minute.

 

The youth here will tell an imaginative tale, and what single voice will work against it when there are 3 used together in the telling?  Even if it is full of nonsense the imagination will entertain it.

Curiously, the middle letters of each stanza are FB, TT and IT. The world conspires to have us see patterns.

 

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1 hour ago, RoyalCraftiness said:

Consider it THE template.

In the earliest Oak Island stories you have three boys sailing to an island where they allegedly find a tree with three branches hanging over a circular depression with a block hanging from it over the center. That shaft will be 33 feet above sea level in detail. A stone will be found at the 9th (3^3) level in an arrangement of that divides the first 100 feet into 10 equally spaced partitions.  The well polished stone will be of the proportion of half the perfect stone ashlar, and it will present you with 40 illegible characters. It will allegedly tell you to dig 40 feet below. At 111 feet you will reach the suggestion of a vault which will ultimately sink to the 153 foot level and prove itself to be unattainable. There will be a later curse about the death of a 7th that brings on the treasure. This, of course, is supposed to have happened that way. Are the commonalities with other stories strengthening the suggestion or is it an indication that details were being borrowed with very clear intent? Reality seldom comes to rescue stories. It is always the suggestion that they do that we encounter. This gets presented as a mystery to the unassuming detective. Would you assist monetarily? 

Numbers get used as window dressing, and in other instances they are essential ingredients in good story telling.

In his introduction to Alice's Adventures in Wonderland, Lewis Carrol gives this poem. In his first three stanzas:

All in the golden afternoon
Full leisurely we glide;
For both our oars, with little skill,
By little arms are plied,
While little hands make vain pretence
Our wanderings to guide.

Ah, cruel Three! In such an hour,
Beneath such dreamy weather,
To beg a tale of breath too weak
To stir the tiniest feather!
Yet what can one poor voice avail
Against three tongues together?

Imperious Prima flashes forth
Her edict "to begin it"—
In gentler tones Secunda hopes
"There will be nonsense in it!"—
While Tertia interrupts the tale
Not more than once a minute.

 

The youth here will tell an imaginative tale, and what single voice will work against it when there are 3 used together in the telling?  Even if it is full of nonsense the imagination will entertain it.

Curiously, the middle letters of each stanza are FB, TT and IT. The world conspires to have us see patterns.

 

FB (Francis Bacon), TT (Thomas Tomkis), IT (John Taylor), TO (Thomas Overbury), IA (Jane Anger), AT (Aurelian Townshend) and LI (?).  What a motley crew.

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What is the Rule of Three — A Literary Device for Writers (studiobinder.com)

It's considered an archetype. Rosicrucianism will have three manifestos. Things feel more complete in a trilogy. Explanations appear more coherent, descriptions fuller. There's a lot of Art composition which relies on the rule of three. The Arbelos is the composite of three circle suggestions (one positive suggestion and two negative). We experience reality in three spatial dimensions after all. We describe a circle with center, radius and circumference . Tau=cirle circumference/radius is a relationship in 3 things. It is three hundred in Greek. There are three of them in the symbol of the Holy Royal Arch. There are 3^3 units on the side of the perfect Masonic square. The God concept must have a basic threefold relationship in it if we are story telling. Dee was not immune to feel the urge to explain things in threes.

There were three wise men because three confirms what two might only suggest. There were three Novas which appeared in the sky over Europe in short succession. Two is a coincidence, three is a more clearly a pattern. Must there always be three of something? No, not always. When we want to stress that something is not just this or that we can inject a third and imply that the whole picture has an added wrinkle suggesting that something else is at work. Three is the first number that does that. "Can you give me three reasons?" hints that two might not be enough, but three might get me believing. The strengthening that comes from relationship is something we inherently relate to. The third is often different than the first two, as with Cinderella and her sisters.

 

 

Wasn’t it Tesla who said (or is said to have said) the secrets of the universe lie in 3,6 and 9. 

3 is definitely a number nature favours 

I think we’ve rather hijacked Luis’ thread with all this and gone off down some rabbit holes.  Just to repeat what I’m sure I’ve pointed out elsewhere though, the “three” archetype arose from Nature. This is why it’s so ubiquitous throughout all the ancient wisdom teachings (way before 16/17th Century). It is because the ‘giver of all life’, the Sun, (which many equate with God) has three positions: rise, culminate and set in its daily journey and three in its annual journey.

East, NE and SE ie Equinox, Summer Solstice and Winter Solstice. (Reverse in Southern hemisphere).

The Sun never travels to the 4th cardinal position, the North. 

Since the formation of speculative Freemasonry, “Three” has been incorporated to run throughout Masonic ritual,  starting with the 3 knocks by the Senior Deacon when introducing the (Entered) Apprentice.

Three and Three X Three are so Masonic that I think we have to be careful with seeing every reference of 33 as cipher for Francis Bacon. Sometimes it’s probably just highlighting or hinting at ‘the Craft’ and a visual hint to ‘brethren’ to look deeper at the text, or whatever, when they see it. 

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1 hour ago, Kate said:

Wasn’t it Tesla who said (or is said to have said) the secrets of the universe lie in 3,6 and 9. 

3 is definitely a number nature favours 

I think we’ve rather hijacked Luis’ thread with all this and gone off down some rabbit holes.  Just to repeat what I’m sure I’ve pointed out elsewhere though, the “three” archetype arose from Nature. This is why it’s so ubiquitous throughout all the ancient wisdom teachings (way before 16/17th Century). It is because the ‘giver of all life’, the Sun, (which many equate with God) has three positions: rise, culminate and set in its daily journey and three in its annual journey.

East, NE and SE ie Equinox, Summer Solstice and Winter Solstice. (Reverse in Southern hemisphere).

The Sun never travels to the 4th cardinal position, the North. 

Since the formation of speculative Freemasonry, “Three” has been incorporated to run throughout Masonic ritual,  starting with the 3 knocks by the Senior Deacon when introducing the (Entered) Apprentice.

Three and Three X Three are so Masonic that I think we have to be careful with seeing every reference of 33 as cipher for Francis Bacon. Sometimes it’s probably just highlighting or hinting at ‘the Craft’ and a visual hint to ‘brethren’ to look deeper at the text, or whatever, when they see it. 

There isn't an open discussion thread, and it would be unproductive to start a thread every time we wanted to expand on anyone's comments. I now come here and just look at who's replied to my comments. I would not be bothered to go looking everywhere to see if anyone had added something in reply to me elsewhere. I don't see any harm in it. The discussion simply follows the post and one can very easily find the original and read it without being bothered by the discussion at the bottom. It also rewards the initial poster by giving him mojo. If the thread reaches 100 comments it gets a big reward.

The only other option is to reply privately, which is what used to do a lot. As a gesture of sharing I have decided to have the discussions be public in case anyone might have an interest. If you'd rather I not do that then that's nice to know.  I would be much less likely to CC everyone. 

Maybe we need an open discussion thread. Maybe there is one and I'm unaware of it.  

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1 hour ago, Kate said:

Wasn’t it Tesla who said (or is said to have said) the secrets of the universe lie in 3,6 and 9. 

3 is definitely a number nature favours 

I think we’ve rather hijacked Luis’ thread with all this and gone off down some rabbit holes.  Just to repeat what I’m sure I’ve pointed out elsewhere though, the “three” archetype arose from Nature. This is why it’s so ubiquitous throughout all the ancient wisdom teachings (way before 16/17th Century). It is because the ‘giver of all life’, the Sun, (which many equate with God) has three positions: rise, culminate and set in its daily journey and three in its annual journey.

East, NE and SE ie Equinox, Summer Solstice and Winter Solstice. (Reverse in Southern hemisphere).

The Sun never travels to the 4th cardinal position, the North. 

Since the formation of speculative Freemasonry, “Three” has been incorporated to run throughout Masonic ritual,  starting with the 3 knocks by the Senior Deacon when introducing the (Entered) Apprentice.

Three and Three X Three are so Masonic that I think we have to be careful with seeing every reference of 33 as cipher for Francis Bacon. Sometimes it’s probably just highlighting or hinting at ‘the Craft’ and a visual hint to ‘brethren’ to look deeper at the text, or whatever, when they see it. 

It's why the North was the direction of the land of the Hyperboreans and of Apollo. The Sun rose to the E of North and set to the West of it. This suggested that Apollo was going home N for his "snooze". Mimicking that behavior daily is Cygnus at latitude 44.51. It disappears at N from the night sky at the horizon. The interweaving of stories which exploit the Sun's behavior is very much a part of the evolution of our myths.  The esoteric references to it go much further than the early 17th century. 

Mathologer has an excellent Youtube video tackling Tesla's 3/6/9 secrets of the Universe suggestion. It's actually quite informative. I go back and listen to it occasionally. Tesla’s 3-6-9 and Vortex Math: Is this really the key to the universe? - YouTube

 

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8 hours ago, Kate said:

I think we’ve rather hijacked Luis’ thread with all this and gone off down some rabbit holes.

Threads are a natural evolution of ideas, rabbit holes and all.

I hope Luis comes back! I hope YOU come back, Luis!

Last night totally exhausted after an intense work day our pair of TWO OWLS were laughing with me again. Funny synchronicity for me, and I had my camera ready for them. I swear they are as happy to see me as I am to see them!

These pics are for you, Luis!

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Threads are a natural evolution of ideas, rabbit holes and all.

I hope Luis comes back! I hope YOU come back, Luis!

Last night totally exhausted after an intense work day our pair of TWO OWLS were laughing with me again. Funny synchronicity for me, and I had my camera ready for them. I swear they are as happy to see me as I am to see them!

These pics are for you, Luis!

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A light and a wise owl sitting on a smiling Buddha under the number 22...What's the message?

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A light and a wise owl sitting on a smiling Buddha under the number 22...What's the message?

For me, to quote a Grateful Dead song, "See here how everything, Lead up to this day, And it's just like any other day, That's ever been..."

The song is about someone dying, but it is also about life. We are dying from the moment we are born. Every heart beat is one beat closer to the end.

It was on the afternoon of 9-11-2001 an old gray bearded black Freemason told me we all need to find our "Island of Sanity" to ride out the inevitable Chaos that was coming.

Almost ten years later my wife and I bought our amazing Gulfport FL home in the summer of 2011 at the very bottom of the market, we cannot believe how cheap we bought our home! Scored!

Me being who I am, started planting and decorating in my crazy hippy wild vision and it has taken on a life of its own. A few years ago we built an addition to our home and that is now my office where I do my work, and play in Baconian pursuits; big windows open to our backyard paradise.

The Buddha is from my Dad's home. I believe it came from Thailand when he was there in the mid 70's in the Air Force. He was buying beautiful brass art and teak wood furniture sending it back to the States often. He did the same thing when he was in Vietnam in the 60s.

When my Dad got COVID in 2020 and lost his short-time memory he had to go into assisted living. One of his neighbors grabbed the Buddha and put it by their pool. But it was promised to me many years ago. I thank Lawrence for giving me the courage to ask for it as I told him how sad I was to lose it. I explained to the neighbor it was promised to me many years ago, and he gave it to me.

The Buddha laughs at me almost every night when I sit out there. I think the reason the owls are comfortable when I am present is because they make me laugh. They do silly things even to make me laugh more. They finally met Theresa a few nights ago and she was laughing as well. One of them winks at me. Bunnies are creatures who enjoy being funny, these owls are in the same club.

Every piece of art, every plant, flower, seashell, solar light, in our yard is placed after some thought. I may spend a day or more trying different spots until it is perfect. Our home and yard is all very magical and totally alive.

This oasis is a projection and reflection of my mind. Even as I write this post I am looking out with the late afternoon sun beaming into the backyard I see flowers and leaves glistening, smiling. Happy.

The pair of little screech owls? They are cute like little bunny heads with wings flying around. One of them actually brushed their wing on my shoulder a few nights ago saying "Hello human."

I always say, "Hello owl.." LOL

 

 

 

 

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That video is brilliant. Thanks for sharing RC. Are you on Twitter? I'm going to share it and I’ll happily credit you.

Re threads, I understand they meander. Maybe an open discussion thread is the route, or more use of tags, so that interesting posts don’t get missed as they are in a thread seemingly unrelated to the title?  Is there a slight chance you were misreading though. I didn’t say you were hijacking Luis’ thread, I said we.

All done out of respect/concern/empathy for Luis not having posted again, rather than any dig or attack on you. ❤️

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8 hours ago, Kate said:

That video is brilliant. Thanks for sharing RC. Are you on Twitter? I'm going to share it and I’ll happily credit you.

Re threads, I understand they meander. Maybe an open discussion thread is the route, or more use of tags, so that interesting posts don’t get missed as they are in a thread seemingly unrelated to the title?  Is there a slight chance you were misreading though. I didn’t say you were hijacking Luis’ thread, I said we.

All done out of respect/concern/empathy for Luis not having posted again, rather than any dig or attack on you. ❤️

No offense was taken, and thanks for worrying about me feeling singled out. Typically, open threads are what I have seen used, but they are also terrible to refer back to when trying to relocate things. Tags is a good idea. Tagging things as "of general interest" or "tangent" to some other discussion is helpful. I've never used tags, but I see the point of them in regards to what we are talking about.

I'm not on Twitter or any other platform. The only voice I have is here. Social media is not a place where presenting discussions interests me. I've had my fill of dealing with trolls and stalkers already.

It would be great if Luis came back and contributed. Let's keep in mind that he may have come here just to find an audience or sounding board for his idea. It did intersect with the general exercise of trying to get to the "why" behind the symbolism we are presented with in many places. I hope he got some useful information here about how familiar the numbers really are and the long tradition of using them. 

Mathologer is one of the best channels on Youtube, IMHO. It can bridge the gap between the very simple and the very advanced. He did make a point in that video about how he feels that Mathematics is the key to understanding the Universe for us. We can see how Tesla's pattern recognition is really just a small part of the puzzle that relates to the modulo function. He wasn't so smart that he knew what he was looking at. I think thagt is helpful to us to remind us that people are often aggrandized and given superhuman identities in our pop culture.

I have another great video recommendation I just came across. The Most Powerful Diagram in Mathematics - YouTube

This one will turn out to be interesting for encoding and what is possible with a 24 letter alphabet. I guarantee you that familiar numbers will pop up.

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7 hours ago, RoyalCraftiness said:

No offense was taken, and thanks for worrying about me feeling singled out.

I know I worry a lot about your feelings, CJ. You seem to be very soft, fluffy, and emotionally vulnerable... LOL

However, I thought Kate meant me. My feelings were hurt! LOL (Kidding!)

Here on the B'Hive we try to allow differing ideas, encourage discussions, and even some vibrant arguments as long as we respect each other. The B'Hive is not now nor ever will be a platform that presents a single theory about Bacon. Our dream is to be the ONE place on planet Earth where "everything Bacon" can be discussed.

Granted, dreams are a delicate flower and it doesn't take much to make one wilt. 😉

 

 

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On 6/10/2023 at 12:57 AM, Light-of-Truth said:

I remember seeing MahahBone or some version of the word as an acrostic in one of Yann's videos or slides. I'll try to find it if I get some time.

Hi Kate and Rob,

Last year, I only mentioned M.B. and the number 42 once or twice. I also remember talking about "Marrow and Bones" in Ben Jonson's Masque "Neptunes Triumph".

https://archive.org/details/workesofbenjamin00jons/page/n365/mode/2up?ref=ol&view=theater

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The fact is that in 2021, I found a page of the First Folio that, in my view, mentions HIRAM and the MM word, and I have spoken with you, Rob, last year. This can be the reason why you think that I shared a slide about it ! 😊

But that is not the case, and to be honest, this is something that I decided to keep for myself.

Regarding Sonnet 122, I like the fact that it is the 33rd one by counting from the end.

And regarding the cartouche of Sylva Sylvarum ...

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... for me, what we have on each side looks like an inverted A ...

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Regards.

 

 

 

 

 

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6 hours ago, Allisnum2er said:

Hi Kate and Rob,

Last year, I only mentioned M.B. and the number 42 once or twice. I also remember talking about "Marrow and Bones" in Ben Jonson's Masque "Neptunes Triumph".

https://archive.org/details/workesofbenjamin00jons/page/n365/mode/2up?ref=ol&view=theater

image.png.0f28e470178dd8018f07755017d36165.png

The fact is that in 2021, I found a page of the First Folio that, in my view, mentions HIRAM and the MM word, and I have spoken with you, Rob, last year. This can be the reason why you think that I shared a slide about it ! 😊

But that is not the case, and to be honest, this is something that I decided to keep for myself.

Regarding Sonnet 122, I like the fact that it is the 33rd one by counting from the end.

And regarding the cartouche of Sylva Sylvarum ...

image.png.c4c8cc7eb712ed97d83f59b85cf11ca2.png

... for me, what we have on each side looks like an inverted A ...

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Regards.

 

 

 

 

 

Double upside down WOW, or MOM!!!

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1 hour ago, Allisnum2er said:

Hi Rob,

Just for fun ( I do not remember if one of us already considered this possibility ) ...

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I don't remember that anyone of has, but I do I know looked for a few minutes when coloring the T's and did not see a Bacon!! Much less F Bacon!

Masterful work, Yann!!!

 

EDIT: I did see FB and WT though. 😉

 

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On 6/23/2023 at 10:08 AM, Allisnum2er said:

Hi Kate and Rob,

Last year, I only mentioned M.B. and the number 42 once or twice. I also remember talking about "Marrow and Bones" in Ben Jonson's Masque "Neptunes Triumph".

https://archive.org/details/workesofbenjamin00jons/page/n365/mode/2up?ref=ol&view=theater

image.png.0f28e470178dd8018f07755017d36165.png

The fact is that in 2021, I found a page of the First Folio that, in my view, mentions HIRAM and the MM word, and I have spoken with you, Rob, last year. This can be the reason why you think that I shared a slide about it ! 😊

But that is not the case, and to be honest, this is something that I decided to keep for myself.

Regarding Sonnet 122, I like the fact that it is the 33rd one by counting from the end.

And regarding the cartouche of Sylva Sylvarum ...

image.png.c4c8cc7eb712ed97d83f59b85cf11ca2.png

... for me, what we have on each side looks like an inverted A ...

image.png.997153deffb6d57b93a9c58f40665e46.png

Regards.

 

 

 

 

 

It's also that if you look at it perpendicularly. This once again reminds us of the similarity of the spatial orientations of the Tau in the triple Tau symbolism. A A , of course, is that familiar old  pre deluvian Adam-Abraham  suggestion we see used in some Jewish literature's  headpieces.  One can account for that sort of suggestion travelling into the lore of any "Acception" related speculative Freemasonic proto group. Are you suggesting that Bacon has that sort of link? 

You'd need a very high level of inference to ever think of flipping pages upside down to see things which aren't even clearly interpretable. Keep in mind that the end points in the curly part of that design element coincides with the points of coincidence on a geometric composition suggestion which involves multiple scrollwork elements and their implied points of origin. We'd have to suggest that multiple things are tryin to be involved. I suppose it is not terribly difficult to add an element that does look like an A inverted. That also happens to be the origin story of the A since it started life upside down as a bull head figure.

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Happy Saint-Jean-Baptiste day, btw (John the Baptist is the earliest patron Saint of Freemasons, something Herge employed in his take on the story). If Bacon has any link to Freemasonry one ought to see him using it somehow in his effort to signal connections. It's the 175th day of the year.  In my own researching of ideas about this I have noticed that the use of the 175th anniversary of certain events related to early Freemasonry in Nova Scotia were signaled with monuments. In fact the a very prominent monument in Halifax relates to the death/ascension of the founder of the first Masonic Lodge in Canada, Erasmus James Philips. It has been my contention that the suggestions that bubble up at Oak Island, NS, have found a basis in the story telling of the men of his 40th Regiment of foot who instituted what is now called King Solomon Lodge 54 in NS. There's a curious meeting up of influences that occur in NS that will also involve Bacon in the wild story telling. Sorting out the fact from fiction is a big part of the puzzle. I am not typically one to think that Freemasonry gives you anything of historical relevance in its stories. It is always about using stories to teach some desired bit of wisdom. Bacon is useful to some Freemasons, because he represents science and belief in the Judeo Christian God rolled up into one. Even that is contestable as a suggestion, though, because it is possible Bacon was actually undermining the suggestion of the Judeo Christian God. In that case, why not try and appropriate yourself with Bacon and control the narrative? We must consider why it is that some Freemasons want Bacon as a fatherly inspiration while others don't require him at all. It appears to be a matter of preference.

I do think that Bacon would have been aware of the "Acception" group(s). His possible association with them is considered conjecture. They offer a way to bridge to the operative Masonry of Scotland and origin myths there about King Solomon and Egypt.

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