An underestimated cipher? — The numerical cipher of the Bavarian Illuminati

[RoyalCraftiness]

24 minutes ago, Light-of-Truth said:

On October 14, 2003 (Day 287) I would have said with confidence that my "discovery" was going to make a huge Shock through the world. That was the day I launched Light-of-Truth.com where for the first time in our Western history the name "William Tudor" was mentioned in public as being the same man as "Francis Bacon". It was something I worked on for a few months, planning for a few years. A small handful of us knew what I was working on, but I stayed away from technology and publicity while I first dug into Bacon's mysteries.

First hard lesson was the world did not turn upside down, at all. My "public" world was overwhelmed by vicious and experienced Stratfordian predators. Very few, if any ever read my presentation.

The presentation was not all well done. I had a few years graphics and web design experience, but was in my first semester of real college (not a University). 25 years of fixing all kinds of typewriters, cash registers, banking system machines, mini computers, calculators, dictating machines, adding machines, and Koo-Koo Clocks that anyone brought to me as a Machine Shaman did not help when sharing the discover I had. 

LOL !!

I had two email messages that satisfied me. First was an elderly Freemason "Ancient Past Master" or some title that sounded good to me. He was in his 80s, and he just wanted to "validate" what I had found. He was from Massachusetts, last name "Whaler" or Whaley", something like that.

Same kind of email came from someone with a similar intro from New York. I assumed the two knew each other. How many elderly Freemasons were on my website? Back then it was easy to be on the top of search engines. SirBacon.org was always number 1! Light-of-Truth was 2 or 3 often, always in the top 5. 🙂

The response was 90% aggressive and angry. I was eaten alive and spit out. Lawrence watched and had been warning me. He has witnessed many of us end up in lake of boiling Stratforn*** mud. 🙂

Some of the same Willy Warrior names are still active, on videos even into these days! Oxies had not found their lucky Movie Star, Hollywood, Silly Money clique yet. They appeared later. Or the places I visited had already been purged of the flatulence of DeVere. No doubt the Strat wolves found me an easy snack!

You ask on Day 157 in 2023 "...,but what?"

My answer:

Well, I'm not going to prove that Bacon was born as William Tudor and wrote Shakespeare. Once upon a time, oh what a dream...

There are two parts to what I found. The first part to me is a fairly easy to understand table of numbers. 14 columns, 26 rows. The table is a full 364 cells (Excel talk). We can take one cell further and label it 365, the 15th column, in the "A" row. In our modern 26 letter alphabet the 15th letter is O. So 365 is O? Do I need to go into it? Not right now. But remember this Withers image:

The second part is my unique Bacon story in the ciphers. I'm not convincing the world right now.

Before I learned about Bacon I knew nothing about Shakespeare. I had heard of Freemasons, but no clue. Rosicrucians? I think I remember ads in comic books when I was a kid?

I think I am good with math, but there is so much I do not know. That's why I appreciate a teacher now and then.

So my purpose in my older age is to present the "first" part, the mathematical part. Anyone can argue my Baconian perspective which is nothing I could ever prove as the part "two", but the math works impeccably and even without the Sonnets is an interesting table of numbers if you consider the numbers 157 and 287 have importance.

CJ, you tossed out a lot of very close relationships, but you even admit this 11/14/26/154/364 table is not something known, much less an accepted concept. Yet very near many ideas that are close.

I want to clear the air, I know nothing about the things you speak. I am fascinated and have actually learned a lot from your replies, but nobody has ever shared these mathematical things to me before. I love numbers , so devour as much as I can.

Before I discovered this table I had looked into Agrippa and other old "Magic" tables. Always intriguing, always got my attention.

A 14 x 26 table never appeared. A 14 x 11 neither did. The two combined, never came up.

CJ, and anybody else who might be curious, if we forget everything we ever knew about numbers and started to learn with this table, what would we discover? That is pretty much where I have been for two decades.

 

 

 

I am reminded of how much you like to "witness" for us to understand/know your experiences. I don't dispute any of it, and think you are being very forthright and humble. You are not a willful deceiver of others when it comes to your experiences. But, I detect that you trust your experiences.

What I feel upsets one most is when one assumes that others may think ill of us and scoff at us because of it. We fundamentally want to belong, yet the masses want to reject because one man is a perfect scapegoat (Girard's Mimetic theory). The experience of a moving personal discovery is something we like to think is very common to everyone who has ever been seized swiftly by some realization that "triggers" him in a tangible way. We might think that this commonality between us would bring us together. However, it is not something we experience which is easily duplicated in others by presenting them with the same information that worked on us. The trigger is not fundamentally in the information; it is in us waiting to be triggered.  What we are triggered with is often what we unconsciously desire, because the lack of a trigger is what is making us act to discover something in the first place. We may not think it, but we go through life looking for evidence of things we assume to be true which would also help to confirm ideas we have about ourselves that we have made up.  What you say about there being only a few who reacted positively is realistic since it is not very likely that all are capable of being triggered similarly by that sort of demonstration. More are conditioned to be repulsed by the idea of a discoverer of secret codes which reveal a hidden truth if one looks at things in what may appear to be an arbitrary way. That is too much like the plot of a typical adventure movie for some who are immersed in the entertainment culture of this age. The general view may be that you are naïve and being informed by entertainment culture, because we all do realize we get our cues from somewhere. 

A bunch of doors opened for you one after another in quick succession without there being a confusion of dim corridors between them. It has allowed you to make a quick synthesis of all this which I see as your fully formed idea which was not cluttered by a million cobwebs and considerations. You are seeing right through the obvious fog to some clarity. In a sense you ought to not distrust that. To be able to synthesize is quite a feat of mind. Now you must do your best to tear it down if you are a scientific type. That is perhaps too much to ask, and not unlike asking Abraham to kill his son to prove his worth. Others will gladly kill you son to prove their worth if it will impress the many and demonstrate their prowess. What is lacked in them is acceptance. To pile on to a scapegoat appears lucrative. 

I just finished listening to a lecture on Lacan again. I was taken aback by something which I have never considered before. It had to do with the meaning of the word "symbol".  It was mentioned that the meaning/definition we now have comes from Spenser. Before that it had a different meaning which meant "thrown together"  in Greek, "token" or "mark". You'd wear a symbol as a mark of belonging, a pledge or of togetherness. You wear the Tau, for example. The word symbol meaning representation or metaphor is something that is said to be true on one level and not true on another, and it is unique to humans to have this symbolic culture. Pigs do not deal in the symbolic realm, but is said that domesticated pigs might start to, lol.

We strive to tell a truth by lying. We've brought it to literature and to film. "You are an ass" is symbolic when it is said about me.  It is; therefore, perfectly reasonable to use a fiction in the telling a truth post 1590. There may have been quite a bit of exploration along those lines in those times since it isn't always clear what we mean and what we are implying. This is one way to consider what we are given. The truth in the symbolism is not there to assist in the acceptance of a literal story. You should not be convinced that I am an ass by the symbolism, only that it is true on some level of similitude.  It is the story that is there to aid in the discovery of the nugget of truth.

I do recognize the story you are talking about regarding Bacon. I have sought to detect when it was first suggested and by whom. What we discover which is parallel to the story is something that is often treatable analytically to a degree that reveals something which might have been the point of the storytelling. That is what I try and keep in mind. With Bacon you have a man that is pushing you towards science and seeing the imposture in statements. 

It is possible to discover a symbolic treasure in something and to fail to see how it is also not true as a symbol. When I think of Christianity this way I am less offended by it. If it had to be a revelation and the truth, then am I afraid I am not interested in it, because the fiction in it is obvious to me. As a way to lead us to a true nugget of wisdom it should have any merit it deserves. The effort that some have made to declare the stories to be the truth have upended the possibility of there being a lesson in it for others, if you ask me. 

 

 

 

 

 

[RoyalCraftiness]

On 6/5/2023 at 6:10 PM, Luis Quirino said:

In fact, that question was precisely the latest thing I (briefly) talked about in my blog:
On ciphers, probabilities, and the search for "meaningful matches"

Which means that, like you rightly said, any cipher will always deliver "meaningful" matches, and we will be able to "prove" anything we want — even something that is plainly wrong or is impossible.

However, in this case I do think there are strong points in favor of my theory/suspicion, since the only mottos having exactly 13 letters add to 169 (or 13x13) in the Illuminati cipher — a result that, though not impossible to recreate with other ciphers, seems to be a little above what we would consider a mere coincidence of values. If there was any encoding process involved in the creation of the Great Seal of the United States, it would have to be supported by many different factors, and my theory seems to conform to this. Anyway, I don't consider the numerical matches I've found to be "proof" of anything, since we cannot prove any claim through "meaningful matches" alone — and that's precisely why I'm looking for the origin of this cipher, and if it was technically possible for that cipher to have been used to encode information in the Great Seal.

How about a cipher that would return you 13!, 13 cubed, the thirteenth prime or the 13th triangular number in value? Would that also work to suggest that it is pretty obvious that the required cipher was being used. I mean, imagine if we somehow showed that 13! worked. "How likely is it that it ought to work" is not a convincing question any more. The knee-jerk reaction would be that someone obviously cherry picked a cipher and was not using any likely ones. If we keep the numbers small the same sort of objection can't be made. 13! is too large to be of use.

If we are more lazy we might just limit ourselves to what are known to be ciphers in existence, assuming we know of a collection of them. Your idea seems to suggest that there is a preferential known cipher in existence with a secret society link which is somewhat like Freemasonry that produces an intriguing instance of concordance in that seal. To show it is undeniable, right? It is possible it was used and it is also not falsifiable as a suggestion. Things not falsifiable are not subject to scientific inquiry. There must exist a way to disprove what you allege for it to be scientifically treatable. That is how a skeptic will always counter the claim that you are on a path of scientific exploration by collecting observations. That is not enough to enter the temple of science with that one asks the world to weigh.

I still think we are more apt to conclude that a cipher could have been used, but because we are only limited with a few words and sums we are statistically neutered to just that. It would be different if we were talking of a larger sample which demonstrated a uniformity of treatment. If we are  just picking from the periphery and then piling the occurrences together then that is not a very formal suggestion.

I liken this to the interpretation of the 90 foot stone suggestion in the Oak Island mystery. Starting with the mere idea that there must be a decipherable substitution cipher (as opposed to any other) involved one can demonstrate that the dubious solution once crafted for it works, but it is much harder to show how to get to that solution. There really aren't enough characters and duplication in them to eliminate all other possible solutions or to work easily and profitably towards a solution. In fact, if you just shovel those symbols into some powerful decrypting software you never get that one famous solution spit out, since the preferred suggestion slightly bent the rules of the basic formalism. This ought to suggest to us that there is no short formalism to aid us when we lack inputs or rules. If there were enough characters and duplication of them we would have a statistical advantage, and there may be in fact only one logical solution. If you enjoy doing cryptoquote puzzles you may know how that works. You' ll not solve any that lack a certain degree of information.

What we know is that we have a crafted symbol (a symbolic seal) on that note and that symbols are carriers of some sort of representation or similitude. The thing is greatly complicated by the fact that all elements do not map to one meaning or avenue of treatment. We don't know how to necessarily operate on words as symbols. I can appreciate the suggestion of a letter to number cipher, but why are we even beginning on that road? Is it that logical to assume? I this part of a trend we have discerned with the possible interpretation of levels of meaning from others who have gone down that road with words and sums in other places? Are we mimicking or are we exploring all the possibilities and finding a truly unique one.

Some of American Freemasonry thinks it has links to the German Reichs of Rudolph I and Rudolph II (the Holy Roman Empire). That is part of the fantasy which mirrors the belief that you can trace back to the Knight's Templar for some and to Egypt with others. That is typically not what the mainstream Freemasonic bodies allege. They are very diplomatic in saying that no such ties are known. There was a prophecy about the rise of the third Reich that was common in Europe. It is linked to the end times. Rudolph II was a great patron of the occultists, alchemists and of the scientific revolution, so he's great man to try and capture (like Bacon) for a mystery cult about the rise of a final great Empire which some wanted the US to represent. I do not deny that there are strong currents of German mysticism in American Freemasonry, but it would be a stretch to think that there was a very real link to things like the Bavarian Illuminati which would make their ciphers enter the equation. If it did that would mean a very specific group of like thinking men would have been exerting enough influence via their Freemasonic connections. Can we identify such a group or is that also just a possibility?  Working backwards from your suggestion we would have to be able to account for such a preference. I don't think we can, except to identify some of the various origin ideas in Freemasonry.

13 and 33 are a pair of symbolically charged numbers which we can trace back to pre biblical times. Looking it up on Youtube generates videos about it. The cut of number is old and it goes deep. There's great fanfare for 33 even today. If we simply concluded that there was a long tradition in appropriating one's self with these symbolic numbers then we have enough to suggest they were used again by the USA because of the fact it is Protestant nation with ties to currents of mysticism that fish all the way back to the Roman myths about Egypt. How can we straighten that out to anyone's satisfaction with possibilities that are not falsifiable? Is it part of a defining of a fictitious identity?

What is the most likely cipher than one ought to expect to see in a seal, BTW? Are any disqualified because they are too uncommon? Here you will see many people dancing around ciphers and never quite giving you all the ones that don't compute or the possible expressions that would contradict the initial thesis. This is bound to create a bounty of work that is supportive of a suggestion. We can collect the similarities and then try and pass on an interpretation with them which exploits the number counts and the expressions that also equate to them. If you arm yourself with 5 ciphers, for example, I think you can produce a lot of similarities in expressions.

This is bound to get you pushback from serious observers wanting to help you in your quest to arrive to a defensible conclusion. It is not ever enough to just show and tell and hope that recruitment is possible. That is how we run elections, though. The average person doesn't tend to look very deep into suggestions put in front of him. The bias is to settle for what is satisfying to the ears and the sensibilities.

I think the road to a fuller understanding requires that you trace back everything to the earliest cults of number and religion. When you do that it makes what is most recent stand out as just part of some attempt to exploit what has always existed. In the note the use of these numbers goes hand it hand with the idea that the USA was meant to be, was prophesized or is a final culmination of a journey that brings us finally to the one God of our cultural bias.

[Kate]

This is a bit off at a tangent but I’ve just been scrolling through these replies and noticed CJ/RC say Sylva Sylvarum suggests it with experiment 222. 

Did you know page 222 of the First Folio has an anomaly, in that it is printed 22 and a superscript final 2? Could there be a connection?  What was experiment 222? Sorry to disrupt the convo with this.
 

Re the Great Seal, in my book I have a whole chapter on it and the USA. 

[RoyalCraftiness]

8 hours ago, Kate said:

This is a bit off at a tangent but I’ve just been scrolling through these replies and noticed CJ/RC say Sylva Sylvarum suggests it with experiment 222. 

Did you know page 222 of the First Folio has an anomaly, in that it is printed 22 and a superscript final 2? Could there be a connection?  What was experiment 222? Sorry to disrupt the convo with this.
 

Re the Great Seal, in my book I have a whole chapter on it and the USA. 

The entry for 222 contains a reference to the percussive abilities of solid bodies (Globes, Flats, Cubes, Crosses and Triangles are mentioned) and their interactions and how we should explore the effects of these. The "advice" could be interpreted as a call to consider the interaction of triangles, globes and crosses on a "flat" map/chart as it pertains to musical considerations.  In the particular edition I am reading from it is on page 53. 

It has always interested me to consider what sort of musical ideas came out of this time which have to do with spheres and the music of celestial spheres. If we consider only the "10 centuries" reference as a call out to 1000 then we can divide that into thirds . 1/3 is 333.33...., 2/3 is 666.66.... One third of 666.66...is 222.22. 2/3 of it 444.44... The same exercise performed on 100 yield what are essentially 33 and 67. That can be equated to slicing "Francis Bacon" in simple cipher value in thirds to get both his names.

As a devilish way to incorporate this onto a globe, one can demonstrate that if we start by defining a prime Meridien at Jerusalem (that idea already existed for a long time) We can lay out 100 degrees of longitude to the West into slices of 33.3 and 66.6 degrees. The first instance gets you to the Paris longitude and the second gets you to that longitude where there is that point of high interest at the intersection of two Great Circles which appear to have possibly mattered in the earliest colonial planning. That point of intersection in North America is at latitude 44.4 N  and 66.6 W of Paris. We get to tie this to music by realizing that longitude and latitude here are 3:2 which is the Pythagorean harmonic ratio of frequencies which allows us to define musical temperaments. That 3:2 ratio is more famously displayed in the version of the Tetractys that I have previously shown which is one of the Holy Royal Arch symbols.

We ought to keep in mind that all this business of thirds relates to the Trinity where each third has it's meaning in that symbol. To construct musical chords you use the third with the fifth and the tonic. This is the 1,5,3 suggestion (we can think of it as a harmonious number pairing).  5th and 3rd go best to the ear of all the frequencies with the tonic. This is 53 which also is something we can approximately tease out of the corner of the 3,4,5 right angles triangle.

154 is a sphenic number (made up of 3 prime factors) and so is 182 and 222. 222 is the 20th one (TT) in order of magnitude. The triangular part of the factorial pyramid I have constructed sums to 153. It has that odd 1 above it. There is a way to account for 153 with figurate numbers this way. 153 and 154 also are a well known pair of numbers which share a basic property. They are a Ruth-Aaron pair, specifically the only one whose prime factors sum to 20 (TT, the twin Tees)

In my estimation this is all very basic stuff that is well within the bounds of what one might have considered by doing basic number manipulations of the sort that we know were common. What we call these things today does not matter.  We now have a symbolic language to refer to these operations.

222 fits in the 3rd century of experiments (200-300) in Sylva Sylvarum. If you remember, I have previously considered if it is possible to tease out triangles from Mercator map positions using what I termed the "Two Taverns" reference taken as positional cues in the SS title page illustration. One of them is a potential reference to Triangulum (the constellation) and the other to an area in the Caribbean that the Spanish maps of the period identify as the den of the great Turk (shown within a triangular joining of small islands near the Caicos). The only reason I have ever done so is because of the suggestion of there being something to discover in SS which we get from Rawley who mentioned that the numbering of the experiments has something hidden to say. He should know, because he is the one who put the work together from Bacon's papers. In many ways he is perhaps the first one to have suggested we look into numbers as carriers of other meaning to discover a "secret". He's also speaking in lieu of Bacon who may not even know of Rawley's intent.  It is more likely that Rawley did know something of interest that was worth representing (in his estimation). In my best attempts I have only come up with the idea that there was a reference to a North American point of high coincidence which I have termed the "Hobson's Nose" location (for the name of this place), a tiny island in Mahone Bay, Nova Scotia. As a symbol the location is extremely elegant, but It is also not much more than that. It does, however, have a documented history of having been visited in 1830 by men who came by ship to remove something from the ground there. As you know, I have made an effort to point out how the details in that eyewitness account which is referenced by one local historian later served as details in the Oak Island crafting of stories where a Bacon document cache will also be introduced as a plot twist in the 1890s.

Sylva Sylvarum represents Bacon's "swan song". In that regard it is like the Tempest for Shakespeare fans. As a standalone work it is strange and it is not considered to reflect a body of work that Bacon actually performed. In some cases there are references to Bacon having done some experimenting. In 222 there is a reference to the ringing of a golden bell by Bacon. I've always liked that because it aligns with the idea that Lewis Carroll may have been referring to Francis Bacon as the Bell man in his poem about that famous voyage to find the Snark.

I think that 222 is certainly worth investigating as a pointer to things of potential interest. It has that very important 2:1 relation to 111 (the sum of the 66.6 and 44.4 coordinates) also. The important ratios in the Holy Royal Arch are threefold-- 2:1, 3:1 and 3:2 (the reciprocals 1:2, 1:3 and 2:3 are equally valued). In fact, one set is the other inversed or seen "through the looking glass". There seems to be a direct way to get back to a lot of what other mystery "explorers" have teased out of their own observations which demand meaning. Here I must admit that even what I have considered does involve a simple cipher consideration of Bacon's name. It is so basic that I think it is an excellent thing to have exploited as a cue for someone who described himself as very capable of seeing similitudes in natural phenomena (here music and the mapping of globes).

"The Tempest" and "Sylva Sylavrum". Are a neat TT and SS pair. I have to admit that I have been somewhat interested in the fact that the Shakespeare tomb epitaph mentions the DIGGing the DUST. We could possibly infer that there is also a clever DD and VV pair to value.  VV is often enough seen as the given for the W in Shakespeare's name. This, I recently saw, may refer to Virtu and Virtue (force and reason), two of Bacon's bedrock ideas about how to tame nature. The DD one could be anything, but I have been piqued by the "Digg the Dust" of the epitaph.  If we were to consider simple cipher sums DD + VV + SS + TT that would yield 122 (111+11 or 11 x 11 +1). As a number it is the sum of the square divisors of 11. You might want to go look at what Psalm 122 has to say in the Bible. [I rejoiced with those who said to me, “Let us go to the house of the Lord.”] That's the eternal equivalent Solomon's house (his Temple which housed the HH in the Jewish stories.

If we consider the 4 oriented Tau representation of the 24 character alphabet within the 5x5 square we figuratively see a representation of the Holy of Holies and a square "tomb" in the middle. In fact there is even a 6x4 (proportion 3:2) block of 20 characters I have highlighted that can double as the ARK suggestion in that famous plan for the HH. The central block of four empty spaces could in fact house the letters DUST we are asked to not stir up. To ask us not to is almost to ask us to do so in terms of how likely humans are to listen to commandments, lol.  All around the "tomb" are the characters VST (4 occasions of them). A playful man may have noticed how the word DUST can serve his epitaph/riddle, 4 also being the value of D.

Should we Digg the Dust when warned not to? I like to think of this as perhaps a warning that no real meaningful treasure is to be found by our endeavors. You have to meet your maker to ever get your treasure. Efforts to make you accept that you have a maker is likely why we are bombarded with all these elegant similarities. The point is for you to accept the suggestion that you have a geometric maker who has left clues in the way the world is made. This I can square with Bacon's views. The Great Architect of the Universe has a method to his madness which you can discover but not find the "why" for.  "Remember death" is your warning.  Music in the key of F will give you serenity when you contemplate the tomb. If you are a 154 type of person then there is the blues which employs the tonic, the 5th and the 4th in its progressions. 153 is considered to be cheerful "piano chords".

 

 

Edited June 8 by RoyalCraftiness

[Light-of-Truth]

4 hours ago, RoyalCraftiness said:

The entry for 222 contains a reference to the percussive abilities of solid bodies (Globes, Flats, Cubes, Crosses and Triangles are mentioned) and their interactions and how we should explore the effects of these. The "advice" could be interpreted as a call to consider the interaction of triangles, globes and crosses on a "flat" map/chart as it pertains to musical considerations.  In the particular edition I am reading from it is on page 53. 

It has always interested me to consider what sort of musical ideas came out of this time which have to do with spheres and the music of celestial spheres. If we consider only the "10 centuries" reference as a call out to 1000 then we can divide that into thirds . 1/3 is 333.33...., 2/3 is 666.66.... One third of 666.66...is 222.22. 2/3 of it 444.44... The same exercise performed on 100 yield what are essentially 33 and 67. That can be equated to slicing "Francis Bacon" in simple cipher value in thirds to get both his names.

As a devilish way to incorporate this onto a globe, one can demonstrate that if we start by defining a prime Meridien at Jerusalem (that idea already existed for a long time) We can lay out 100 degrees of longitude to the West into slices of 33.3 and 66.6 degrees. The first instance gets you to the Paris longitude and the second gets you to that longitude where there is that point of high interest at the intersection of two Great Circles which appear to have possibly mattered in the earliest colonial planning. That point of intersection in North America is at latitude 44.4 N  and 66.6 W of Paris. We get to tie this to music by realizing that longitude and latitude here are 3:2 which is the Pythagorean harmonic ratio of frequencies which allows us to define musical temperaments. That 3:2 ratio is more famously displayed in the version of the Tetractys that I have previously shown which is one of the Holy Royal Arch symbols.

We ought to keep in mind that all this business of thirds relates to the Trinity where each third has it's meaning in that symbol. To construct musical chords you use the third with the fifth and the tonic. This is the 1,5,3 suggestion (we can think of it as a harmonious number pairing).  5th and 3rd go best to the ear of all the frequencies with the tonic. This is 53 which also is something we can approximately tease out of the corner of the 3,4,5 right angles triangle.

154 is a sphenic number (made up of 3 prime factors) and so is 182 and 222. 222 is the 20th one (TT) in order of magnitude. The triangular part of the factorial pyramid I have constructed sums to 153. It has that odd 1 above it. There is a way to account for 153 with figurate numbers this way. 153 and 154 also are a well known pair of numbers which share a basic property. They are a Ruth-Aaron pair, specifically the only one whose prime factors sum to 20 (TT, the twin Tees)

In my estimation this is all very basic stuff that is well within the bounds of what one might have considered by doing basic number manipulations of the sort that we know were common. What we call these things today does not matter.  We now have a symbolic language to refer to these operations.

222 fits in the 3rd century of experiments (200-300) in Sylva Sylvarum. If you remember, I have previously considered if it is possible to tease out triangles from Mercator map positions using what I termed the "Two Taverns" reference taken as positional cues in the SS title page illustration. One of them is a potential reference to Triangulum (the constellation) and the other to an area in the Caribbean that the Spanish maps of the period identify as the den of the great Turk (shown within a triangular joining of small islands near the Caicos). The only reason I have ever done so is because of the suggestion of there being something to discover in SS which we get from Rawley who mentioned that the numbering of the experiments has something hidden to say. He should know, because he is the one who put the work together from Bacon's papers. In many ways he is perhaps the first one to have suggested we look into numbers as carriers of other meaning to discover a "secret". He's also speaking in lieu of Bacon who may not even know of Rawley's intent.  It is more likely that Rawley did know something of interest that was worth representing (in his estimation). In my best attempts I have only come up with the idea that there was a reference to a North American point of high coincidence which I have termed the "Hobson's Nose" location (for the name of this place), a tiny island in Mahone Bay, Nova Scotia. As a symbol the location is extremely elegant, but It is also not much more than that. It does, however, have a documented history of having been visited in 1830 by men who came by ship to remove something from the ground there. As you know, I have made an effort to point out how the details in that eyewitness account which is referenced by one local historian later served as details in the Oak Island crafting of stories where a Bacon document cache will also be introduced as a plot twist in the 1890s.

Sylva Sylvarum represents Bacon's "swan song". In that regard it is like the Tempest for Shakespeare fans. As a standalone work it is strange and it is not considered to reflect a body of work that Bacon actually performed. In some cases there are references to Bacon having done some experimenting. In 222 there is a reference to the ringing of a golden bell by Bacon. I've always liked that because it aligns with the idea that Lewis Carroll may have been referring to Francis Bacon as the Bell man in his poem about that famous voyage to find the Snark.

I think that 222 is certainly worth investigating as a pointer to things of potential interest. It has that very important 2:1 relation to 111 (the sum of the 66.6 and 44.4 coordinates) also. The important ratios in the Holy Royal Arch are threefold-- 2:1, 3:1 and 3:2 (the reciprocals 1:2, 1:3 and 2:3 are equally valued). In fact, one set is the other inversed or seen "through the looking glass". There seems to be a direct way to get back to a lot of what other mystery "explorers" have teased out of their own observations which demand meaning. Here I must admit that even what I have considered does involve a simple cipher consideration of Bacon's name. It is so basic that I think it is an excellent thing to have exploited as a cue for someone who described himself as very capable of seeing similitudes in natural phenomena (here music and the mapping of globes).

"The Tempest" and "Sylva Sylavrum". Are a neat TT and SS pair. I have to admit that I have been somewhat interested in the fact that the Shakespeare tomb epitaph mentions the DIGGing the DUST. We could possibly infer that there is also a clever DD and VV pair to value.  VV is often enough seen as the given for the W in Shakespeare's name. This, I recently saw, may refer to Virtu and Virtue (force and reason), two of Bacon's bedrock ideas about how to tame nature. The DD one could be anything, but I have been piqued by the "Digg the Dust" of the epitaph.  If we were to consider simple cipher sums DD + VV + SS + TT that would yield 122 (111+11 or 11 x 11 +1). As a number it is the sum of the square divisors of 11. You might want to go look at what Psalm 122 has to say in the Bible. [I rejoiced with those who said to me, “Let us go to the house of the Lord.”] That's the eternal equivalent Solomon's house (his Temple which housed the HH in the Jewish stories.

If we consider the 4 oriented Tau representation of the 24 character alphabet within the 5x5 square we figuratively see a representation of the Holy of Holies and a square "tomb" in the middle. In fact there is even a 6x4 (proportion 3:2) block of 20 characters I have highlighted that can double as the ARK suggestion in that famous plan for the HH. The central block of four empty spaces could in fact house the letters DUST we are asked to not stir up. To ask us not to is almost to ask us to do so in terms of how likely humans are to listen to commandments, lol.  All around the "tomb" are the characters VST (4 occasions of them). A playful man may have noticed how the word DUST can serve his epitaph/riddle, 4 also being the value of D.

Should we Digg the Dust when warned not to? I like to think of this as perhaps a warning that no real meaningful treasure is to be found by our endeavors. You have to meet your maker to ever get your treasure. Efforts to make you accept that you have a maker is likely why we are bombarded with all these elegant similarities. The point is for you to accept the suggestion that you have a geometric maker who has left clues in the way the world is made. This I can square with Bacon's views. The Great Architect of the Universe has a method to his madness which you can discover but not find the "why" for.  "Remember death" is your warning.  Music in the key of F will give you serenity when you contemplate the tomb. If you are a 154 type of person then there is the blues which employs the tonic, the 5th and the 4th in its progressions. 153 is considered to be cheerful "piano chords".

 

 

Seriously, Alan Green gets under my skin speaking over all those (us) beneath him, his fans. You CJ, are speaking over my head to whoever might understand, making me try to keep up. Every paragraph has a path to explore!

It appears the last thing you desire is to be an Idol of ignorant fools! LOL

Do you have any articles, papers, books, or videos, etc. that we can experience? You should share for we handful that have interest. 😉

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Should we Digg the Dust when warned not to? I like to think of this as perhaps a warning that no real meaningful treasure is to be found by our endeavors. You have to meet your maker to ever get your treasure.

Hmmm, "meaningful treasure"?

As a kid our family would go out rock hunting, seeking "treasures" in the open public lands of Colorado. We'd get petrified wood, quarts crystals, agates, geodes, so on. On my 10th birthday I found a beautiful good sized Smokey Topaz crystal, the best of anything we all ever collected.

In my 20 and 30s seeking treasures was mostly arrowhead and spear points from ancient people in Colorado and Utah, and Arizona too. Spend days wandering around aimlessly in open wilderness areas seeking treasures! Oh my!

Maybe for some of us, the "Treasure Hunt" is a way of life, something we are born to do. There are treasures to find, everywhere. One could start in their home, walk out their front door and walk, and if seeking will find. Whatever it is.

I will tell you a few of my powerful moments were when picking up an ancient spear point after maybe 10,000 years since another human touched it. It is a thrill. Maybe not what I will find when I die, when I meet my maker. But as far as when I am alive there have been many treasures I found or collected when seeking that made all my efforts worthwhile.

Should we "Digg the Dust"?

I'm in, will I ever know who "we" is? LOL

 

 

 

 

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On 6/6/2023 at 1:01 PM, Luis Quirino said:

...I enjoy studying the structure you've found, but I'm still not sure about the relative importance of all the 157's and 287's we can find in the 11- and 14-letter ciphers in the Sonnets.

In the beginning these were the two numbers I was looking for in the Sonnets. That is a Peter Dawkins based "Treasure Hunt" lesson I started living in 1999 or 2000 or so. The numbers 157 and 287 were something to look for. At least that was what one concept I got from his books and lectures.

In the Sonnets, those two numbers Seal the structure up and down, this way and that, and more.

On 6/6/2023 at 1:01 PM, Luis Quirino said:

The 11-letter cipher of Sonnet 141 (="Francis Bacon" in the Illuminati cipher) adds to 157 in the same cipher, and its first two letters are "FB" (the full cipher is "FBWNNNTBDWT"). Even though this looks too good to be true, the fact is that this match could have occurred naturally. But then — how can we know for sure when a numerical match is a natural coincidence rather than a man-made coincidence, or vice-versa? That's why I'm in love with Gematria — but somehow, I'm also extremely skeptical about it.

https://alektryon.github.io/gematro/

I like it a lot. 🙂

That you even thought to use the 11 letter ciphers gives me a thrill.

Skeptical? Sure, why not. But to me you make a great argument to look at this cipher into the future. Sonnet 141 is a good one to connect. 😉

 

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6 hours ago, RoyalCraftiness said:

The entry for 222 contains a reference to the percussive abilities of solid bodies (Globes, Flats, Cubes, Crosses and Triangles are mentioned) and their interactions and how we should explore the effects of these. The "advice" could be interpreted as a call to consider the interaction of triangles, globes and crosses on a "flat" map/chart as it pertains to musical considerations.  In the particular edition I am reading from it is on page 53. 

222 starts on page 52:

https://www.loc.gov/resource/rbc0001.2010fabyan43307/?sp=74&st=image&r=-0.013,0.473,1.222,0.982,0

Then continues to page 53:

https://www.loc.gov/resource/rbc0001.2010fabyan43307/?sp=75&st=image&r=-0.057,0.043,1.007,0.81,0

Its like reading Shakespeare in Bacon talk. 😉

 

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10 hours ago, RoyalCraftiness said:

The Tempest" and "Sylva Sylavrum". Are a neat TT and SS pair. I have to admit that I have been somewhat interested in the fact that the Shakespeare tomb epitaph mentions the DIGGing the DUST. We could possibly infer that there is also a clever DD and VV pair to value.  VV is often enough seen as the given for the W in Shakespeare's name. This, I recently saw, may refer to Virtu and Virtue (force and reason), two of Bacon's bedrock ideas about how to tame nature. The DD one could be anything, but I have been piqued by the "Digg the Dust" of the epitaph.  If we were to consider simple cipher sums DD + VV + SS + TT that would yield 122 (111+11 or 11 x 11 +1). As a number it is the sum of the square divisors of 11. You might want to go look at what Psalm 122 has to say in the Bible. [I rejoiced with those who said to me, “Let us go to the house of the Lord.”] That's the eternal equivalent Solomon's house (his Temple which housed the HH in the Jewish stories.

Sonnet 122 is the first Sonnet after passing beyond the 11th Tier that starts with Sonnet 111.

Famous "Double T" (TT) typo when Day 287 begins with the 12th Tier and Sonnet 122. "TThy guift,,thy tables..."

https://www.light-of-truth.com/pyramid-GMT.php#12

Coincidence, Day 287 is right where it should be, and a Double T to boot. LOL

 

 

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5 hours ago, Light-of-Truth said:

Sonnet 122 is the first Sonnet after passing beyond the 11th Tier that starts with Sonnet 111.

Famous "Double T" (TT) typo when Day 287 begins with the 12th Tier and Sonnet 122. "TThy guift,,thy tables..."

https://www.light-of-truth.com/pyramid-GMT.php#12

Coincidence, Day 287 is right where it should be, and a Double T to boot. LOL

 

 

That certainly may not be an unintended error. It may simply be an indication that we are to read that in a different way. Think of Joyce's "Finnegans Wake" where the lack of an apostrophe changes the way to read the title and the meaning. T is the Great Tau (God). That could be read as: Great T, thy gift, thy tables are within my brain...

This may suggest a few things. For one, there is the suggestion of mathematical tables or a ledger. If the subject here is the scheme by which the Great T has planned the Universe the speaker is telling us that the record cannot be missed by seeing in nature during one's mortality.  Not needing tallies to know the love of thy is, of course a reference to watching the sums and keeping score (classifying nature by accounting for things). No need to tally anything in nature to know the love of thy...

This reminds me of something I showed you before which is visually present on the left side of the cartouche at the bottom of Sylva Sylvarum. This jumped out at me pretty early on in my consideration of Rawley's book.

That Tau at the bottom is clipped from the word "tavrne". Curiously, there is what looks like a period suggestion, a blemish,  between/under the Tau.rne in the edition I am viewing it from.

 

The word also seems to possibly signal "urn" phonetically. The cartouche containing the message has on its side what appear like the handles of an urn. The directions given by the author in the cartouche rely on you navigating with two taverns (TT) to be able to access the book in order to acquire it. The two taverns are possible references to two triangles which both can suggest if we interpret them in a particular clever way. That would rely on interpreting "The Mytre"" and the "Turk's head" judiciously, since both are merely made up of words and open to ideas. No small feat...but entertainable if we exploit some of the context of the 222 entry, for example.

In the Roscicrucian mysteries there is, of course, the symbolic tomb/burial which contains the light and the book. The urn, if we want to involve one, is historically the vessel in which were placed the bones or the small grave goods in a burial.  One can even imagine that the book functions as the light. A bible might be seen that way, for example. Who knows what else might. A book of tables in the figurative sense (a treatise on Nature)...? Some primitive Masonic charges? A Rosicrucian manifesto? O the possibilities

I have playfully entertained the fantasy that what was retrieved at Hobson's Nose in 1830 was perhaps a book which was carefully preserved in a steel urn.  If something was retrieved, why not a book? Seems appropriate enough to thwart the man pursuing lucre. How it would have got there is a mystery to me, but we do know the place was on the route to and from the early colonies at Jamestown and Cuper's Colony (Cupids).

Hobson's Nose would later receive a light house, so that is in a way fitting to a story we might craft using it. The "nose" was said to sit above the mouth of Chester Bay. Above the mouth is a fitting place to find a nose, lol. I am reminded that it is said of a fool that he is not able to see past the tip of his nose. One should not discount that the nose may be the nose of one who "knows". Maybe Hobson knew, whoever Hobson was.

"Now I've heard there was a secret chord
That David played, and it pleased the Lord
But you don't really care for music, do you?
It goes like this, the fourth, the fifth
The minor falls, the major lifts
The baffled king composing Hallelujah"

Leonard Cohen

154, the secret chord recipe? lol The tonic, the perfect fifth and the perfect fourth. 1x5x4=20 (TT). There is no end to how much fun we can have with the symbolic offerings. Numbers invite computation. Words invite images.

I have no books to sell you my friend. I keep a tally of ideas in my brain which I carry around in a helmet that is a nice urn made out of bone. If only I could keep the buzzing out of my ear...Remember death says the bee, I guess.  I'll give you the full contents of my urn if we meet in the after life.

 

Edited June 9 by RoyalCraftiness

[Kate]

Moving back to 153 for a minute 

https://www.masoncode.com/lost-masters-word/

 

Has anyone ever looked for the Masonic passwords (like MaHahBone) or their derivatives in Shakespeare?  The Works of Shakespeare obviously precede Freemasonry in its organised ritual form today, but it all came from ancient wisdom and practices around this time . 

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1 hour ago, Kate said:

Moving back to 153 for a minute 

https://www.masoncode.com/lost-masters-word/

 

Has anyone ever looked for the Masonic passwords (like MaHahBone) or their derivatives in Shakespeare?  The Works of Shakespeare obviously precede Freemasonry in its organised ritual form today, but it all came from ancient wisdom and practices around this time . 

Why yes, that is related to the MM password MACBENAH which is supposed to mean "The builder is stricken" to Masons. There are many variations of this word that some feel were taken up improperly and led to confusion about what they might mean. Some will tell you that you only have to look to the title/name Macbeth to find a possible allusion to something like it in Shakespeare. The Middle Irish words/name Mac Bethad are associated with the meaning "Son of Life". The real Macbeth's name is likely inspired by it. The Son of life happens to have been struck down too in the Christian story. That's ominous for anyone trying to build something, I would say. This is not to say that the Son of Life will not come victorious in his final battle against evil.

Macbeth had his undoing at the hands of three evil spirits to possibly later inspire something like that in the Hiram Abiff account (the Masonic story is probably crafted later, but it could date to about this time). The play revolves around a prophecy and the procession of 8 Kings. This is from the Bible where the 8th is established as the Antichrist. This will be an omen for the second coming (and the grand prize for the faithful). You get a sniff of that in the Oak Island stories with the oddly attached "curse" which promises that 7 must die before the treasure can be accessed. The 7th King must die for the prophecy to unfold. In Macbeth it's said to mean that his line will not continue. There's a possible indication that the Masonic has been informing itself with ideas first suggested in Shakespeare's story. If not from there then from the same sources that potentially inspired Macbeth. This is not to say the stories are the same. They have some superficial parallels. Shakespeare would likely not have known of him.

We can ask if this "Hah" is at all related to the syllable Jah which is the shorthand version of the tetragrammaton YHWH and related to Ia and Ea?  I can't seem to find references to Hah beyond a meaning to the woeful interjection "alas!" or "O!" . It has an appearance in Ezekiel, but that is about it. Jah makes a famous appearance in Hallelujah (Leonard Cohen shout out again) where "hallel" is to praise in song and "Jah" is the Tetragrammaton.   It's found in the password Jahbalon/Jahbulon/Jahbulom which is made up of three cultural references to a supreme being (Jah, Baal and On) in the HRA interpretation of it. There's a purely Jewish take on the word which may have found its way in use from the Kabbalah. Masons have used the shorthand J.B.O. for it to not reveal the password. This reminds me of the idea of constructing something, a number, with three primes. If we are to construct a song to praise Jah we would likely be dealing with the chord structure using 1(tonic), 3rd and 5 perfect fifth, and maybe with a chord progression 1 5 3.

Another obvious place to look would be the Sonnets. Sonnet 153 and 154 are a unique pair of "anacreontics". The meaning of this word refers to the use of the subject matter of love, wine and song. It uses a verse of 8 syllables which is 2 to the power of 3. The anacreontic is therefore something with a threefold nature. Curiously, even the word anacreontic has an origin in a genre where areversal of the 5 and 4th syllable occurs is an earlier Greek meter. Much of Shakespeare is in pentameter.

Lewis Carroll, for his part, may have exploited Jahbulom with his creation of the word for his creature in his poem about the Snark where he tells us that the Snark is really "a boojum". There's no clear indication how he came up with the word. It does have a possible slang cultural reference to the spirit of a man who resides where he died but I do not know how far back that goes. It is given in the last line of Carroll's nonsense Snark poem like it may be the revelation of a password (a word that finally open things up for us). Ironically, and perhaps to the point, it does not do that at all with Carroll. The revelation just confuses us more.

Mary Magdalene is an obvious MM pairing. There is often a symbol of a tomb with initials MM on it as a motif. This is usually in reference to the expression Memento Mori, but I have seen instances where people have made a quick assumption that a tomb and MM is a symbol for the biblical woman.  I have often wondered if MM did not sneak into some of the Masonic stories this way since "remember death" is so prominent. It is one of the main themes of the Hiram Abiff allegory.

In the Masonic story of Hiram Abiff the three murderers are Jubelo, Jubela and Jubelum. If that is reminiscent of Jujube there's an etymologic link in these to the Greek word Zizyphon made of roots which mean "fruit of the tree". The Jujube can be your undoing in the garden of Eden. I mention that because Carroll did also use the literary creation "JubJub" for his dangerous creature/ bird in "Jabberwocky" which immediately predates the Snark work, so there is a patterm. Ziz in Hebrew has the meaning of a giant griffin-like bird. The bird in the tree on his island is also a famous detail to the Phoenix who resides in the tree of life. He's got that death and resurrection vibe going on.

All the reading I've done has not raised a mention of a Masonic password overtly used in Shakespeare except for possibly Macbeth if one can see the likeness. One could statistically appear as an acrostic or in some novel word invention.

Proto-Masonic fraternities loosely based on the operative structure of Masonry in Scotland are only believed by some to have arrived in London ca.1607.  The idea of the Masonic password may not have been popularized yet. It may have come with the Masonic handshake into popular culture.

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12 hours ago, Kate said:

Has anyone ever looked for the Masonic passwords (like MaHahBone) or their derivatives in Shakespeare?

I remember seeing MahahBone or some version of the word as an acrostic in one of Yann's videos or slides. I'll try to find it if I get some time.

[RoyalCraftiness]

On 6/9/2023 at 7:09 AM, Kate said:

Moving back to 153 for a minute 

https://www.masoncode.com/lost-masters-word/

 

Has anyone ever looked for the Masonic passwords (like MaHahBone) or their derivatives in Shakespeare?  The Works of Shakespeare obviously precede Freemasonry in its organised ritual form today, but it all came from ancient wisdom and practices around this time . 

There are no less than at least 18 documented theories of why 153 may have been of interest as a number if one looks into it. It's probably well over two dozen if one admits some of the more speculative ones.  The equating it to death and resurrection would imply that a number has jumped into religious symbolism from what it was initially known for. One can posit that this is a result of the precession cults of Alexandria which prophesized the coming of a herald to announce the character of the age of Pisces at the turning of our common era. This herald who was associated with the symbol of the Ichthys eventually provided a framework for the early Chrestians (followers of the "good one") who will not become Christians in name until the 4th century AD. Unless one can sort out what sort of borrowing occurred one is left possibly thinking that all these things are closely related in time.

They are all taking from an earlier number based interest, imo, because 153 is a number first. Number comes to us from our desire to measure and compare measures. The precession cults of Alexandria were focused on the crossing of the zodiacal ages, because it meant that important cycles where intersecting. A new age reborn would change the character of the times as would the astrological positions in charts were said to be influencing you at birth. The "crossing" of the cycle of the great year with the ecliptic year is what gives us the Zodiacal observation of the arrival of a new constellation at the equinox (a time of reference). It is likely that the intersection of two monads was seen as a powerful symbol of the coming together of two cycles. The very overt fish body like Vesica is an obvious visual similarity to the constellation of Pisces that was exploitable, so it can introduce its older geometric suggestions to the cult of that time.

What you showed previously from your book about Archimedes "number of the fish" sent me looking into his method. It has been lost to us. Based on some of the ideas that exist about it I have considered how he may have deduced that 265/153 was a good approximation for the length of the fish in the unit circle. The method which I have looked at I show here. It involves considerations of squares. From figurate numbers it is possible to say something about the height of triangle with which the fish shares a dimension. 

The fishiness of 153, in retrospect, seems a bit biased since 265/153 is our number. However what does suggest it is a good idea is the fact that Christian folklore will later come to associate certain parts/elements of the Vesica to certain persons of interests like apostles and Saints. It means that 153 could have had an attribution that would make it appear in some places as a symbol on its own.

If any of this appears in Bacon's time it is likely because of the acute interest of the early scientific minds for the older Ptolemaic astronomy/cosmology and the commonality with the Christian stories. The similarity may have been a mystery for some in an esoteric age.  It is all best illustrated by the Rosicrucian idea of the alchymichal wedding at Easter. Esoteric meets Christian story telling there.

 

Edited June 10 by RoyalCraftiness

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10 hours ago, RoyalCraftiness said:

There are no less than at least 18 documented theories of why 153 may have been of interest as a number if one looks into it. It's probably well over two dozen if one admits some of the more speculative ones.

Line 153 and 154 of the Sonnets:

She caru'd thee for her seale,and ment therby,
Thou shouldst print more,not let that coppy die.

Line 153 is one of my favorite lines of the Sonnets. Granted, it is not the last line of Sonnet 11 and Tier 1, but the second to last.

Elizabeth named ("caru'd") William Tudor to be her Seal.

But WILLIAM TUDOR is only 148 Simple and 252 Kaye ciphers.

Line 153 tells that Bacon's birth name, "William Tudor" was meant to be young Elizabeth's Seal. But that would not be possible until Bacon had a sonne who was acknowledged as a King after him. Thus he'd be "William Tudor I", or spoken "William Tudor the First".

Line 154 begs that the "coppy" not die, as her "Seal" would never be fulfilled until there was a William Tudor II.

Such a sad tale. Makes me want to cry sometimes.

Line 153 says it overtly. He was supposed to be King of England, William Tudor I with a lineage that may have lasted until even today.

Sonnet 11 which ends Tier 1 is partially Sealed with what we know as the Secret Shakespearean Seal numbers 157 and 287. The first lines of Sonnet 11 add up to 157 Simple cipher. It is so obvious.

https://www.light-of-truth.com/pyramid-GMT.php#cipherSonnet011

Hey, if we add up the first letters of the first 14 Sonnets we have:

FWLVTTLMIFAVON = 183 Simple and 287 Kaye ciphers.

CJ, I expect you to remind me that I am convincing myself of a fantasy in my mind. My "beliefs" may be out of control!

Yea, could be. LOL

The last line of Tier 13 is Line 2001.

TWO THOUSAND ONE = 183 Simple and 287 Kaye ciphers.

Coincidence. So many coincidences, enough to drive a man Mad. LOL

ONE EIGHTY THREE = 157 Simple and 365 Kaye.

Of course! These numbers criss-cross anywhere where it matters.

The 13th Tier that ends with Line 2001, begins with Sonnet 133, on Day 313.

The 11 letter (Lines 2-12) Simple cipher of Sonnet 133 is 102.

ONE HUNDRED TWO is 157 Simple and 287 Kaye ciphers.

Coincidence on top of coincidence, and it goes on even deeper. The numbers 157 and 287 Seal these 154 Sonnets when divided into 14 groups of 11 Sonnets solidly. It is pure math married with basic letter ciphers.

But I am like the Adventurer ship in 1609 tossing around at sea during a Hurricane near Bermuda, "Setting Forth."

The 11 letter Simple cipher of Sonnet 153 is 66. I think next to Sonnet 66, no other 11 Letter cipher of any Sonnet is less. Of course the 11 Letter cipher of Sonnet 66 is 11.

Coincidences.

The first letters of Sonnet 154 add up to 183 Simple cipher.

ONE EIGHTY THREE = 157 Simple and 365 Kaye.

Another coincidence.

No wonder I am so absorbed in this 11x14 table which is also 14x26.

Line 153 of the Sonnets is the second to last Line of Day 26:

She caru'd thee for her seale,and ment therby,

Ok, back to reality...

Tier 1 syncs with the end of Sonnet 11 with Lines 153 and 154, and the next line 155 which begins Tier 2 and Sonnet 12 is:

VVHen I doe count the clock that tels the time,

Coincidence or is it just me that connects 12 to a clock?

.......

I am well aware I am walking into CJ's world where I will be reminded I am making a reality out of meaningless synchronicity. LOL

And I love it! 🙂

Am I totally Mad? If I am, I am happy being in this madness. Am I alone?

When the movie "A Beautiful Mind" came out in 2001 all my friends who watched it told me it was about me! LOL

Elizabeth did carve Bacon to be her Seal, the way I understand the story left for us by them both.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[RoyalCraftiness]

13 hours ago, Light-of-Truth said:

Line 153 and 154 of the Sonnets:

She caru'd thee for her seale,and ment therby,
Thou shouldst print more,not let that coppy die.

Line 153 is one of my favorite lines of the Sonnets. Granted, it is not the last line of Sonnet 11 and Tier 1, but the second to last.

Elizabeth named ("caru'd") William Tudor to be her Seal.

But WILLIAM TUDOR is only 148 Simple and 252 Kaye ciphers.

Line 153 tells that Bacon's birth name, "William Tudor" was meant to be young Elizabeth's Seal. But that would not be possible until Bacon had a sonne who was acknowledged as a King after him. Thus he'd be "William Tudor I", or spoken "William Tudor the First".

Line 154 begs that the "coppy" not die, as her "Seal" would never be fulfilled until there was a William Tudor II.

Such a sad tale. Makes me want to cry sometimes.

Line 153 says it overtly. He was supposed to be King of England, William Tudor I with a lineage that may have lasted until even today.

Sonnet 11 which ends Tier 1 is partially Sealed with what we know as the Secret Shakespearean Seal numbers 157 and 287. The first lines of Sonnet 11 add up to 157 Simple cipher. It is so obvious.

https://www.light-of-truth.com/pyramid-GMT.php#cipherSonnet011

Hey, if we add up the first letters of the first 14 Sonnets we have:

FWLVTTLMIFAVON = 183 Simple and 287 Kaye ciphers.

CJ, I expect you to remind me that I am convincing myself of a fantasy in my mind. My "beliefs" may be out of control!

Yea, could be. LOL

The last line of Tier 13 is Line 2001.

TWO THOUSAND ONE = 183 Simple and 287 Kaye ciphers.

Coincidence. So many coincidences, enough to drive a man Mad. LOL

ONE EIGHTY THREE = 157 Simple and 365 Kaye.

Of course! These numbers criss-cross anywhere where it matters.

The 13th Tier that ends with Line 2001, begins with Sonnet 133, on Day 313.

The 11 letter (Lines 2-12) Simple cipher of Sonnet 133 is 102.

ONE HUNDRED TWO is 157 Simple and 287 Kaye ciphers.

Coincidence on top of coincidence, and it goes on even deeper. The numbers 157 and 287 Seal these 154 Sonnets when divided into 14 groups of 11 Sonnets solidly. It is pure math married with basic letter ciphers.

But I am like the Adventurer ship in 1609 tossing around at sea during a Hurricane near Bermuda, "Setting Forth."

The 11 letter Simple cipher of Sonnet 153 is 66. I think next to Sonnet 66, no other 11 Letter cipher of any Sonnet is less. Of course the 11 Letter cipher of Sonnet 66 is 11.

Coincidences.

The first letters of Sonnet 154 add up to 183 Simple cipher.

ONE EIGHTY THREE = 157 Simple and 365 Kaye.

Another coincidence.

No wonder I am so absorbed in this 11x14 table which is also 14x26.

Line 153 of the Sonnets is the second to last Line of Day 26:

She caru'd thee for her seale,and ment therby,

Ok, back to reality...

Tier 1 syncs with the end of Sonnet 11 with Lines 153 and 154, and the next line 155 which begins Tier 2 and Sonnet 12 is:

VVHen I doe count the clock that tels the time,

Coincidence or is it just me that connects 12 to a clock?

.......

I am well aware I am walking into CJ's world where I will be reminded I am making a reality out of meaningless synchronicity. LOL

And I love it! 🙂

Am I totally Mad? If I am, I am happy being in this madness. Am I alone?

When the movie "A Beautiful Mind" came out in 2001 all my friends who watched it told me it was about me! LOL

Elizabeth did carve Bacon to be her Seal, the way I understand the story left for us by them both.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Beliefs are never out of line. They are completely in line with what they are: unconditional acceptance. It is believing that is "out of line" in the sense that is shutting out reason in favor of unconditional acceptance (for whatever reason). We are wise to understand that everything that arrives to us is a suggestion. Sometimes we are the ones who make those suggestions that manage to snag us because we find them so elegant. I've mentioned it before, but the way to deal with a suggestion, if it even deserves consideration because it is falsifiable, is to conditionally accept it and see if it can be falsified by one's own efforts or others. The great tragedy of belief is that has the possibility to be paired with power in such a way that it will want to impose itself onto the world by force of will even at the expense of destroying the reasoned word that would question the underlying suggestion.

Here's what I would point out with seems rather obvious to me.

She is Nature.

 Let those whom Nature hath not made for store,
Harsh, featureless and rude, barrenly perish:
Look, whom she best endow’d she gave the more;

The couplet at the end made up of the lines you single out and make a non contextual allusion to Elizabeth with say:

She caru'd thee for her seale,and ment therby,   This has the meaning of:  You were born in Nature and that is how SHE intended it.

Thou shouldst print more,not let that coppy die. You should have offspring and not just wither away.

 

My criticism of using multiple ciphers to pump out numbers of interest remains. You are telling me nothing about the number of occasions of sums that would impress me throughout this work, and you are using an example of one you feel must. Surely there must be countless occasions of them. I've already discussed the likelihood that an expression made up of letters whose mean value is around 12-13 in Simple Cipher will produce a word of around 150ish in value if it is about 13 or 14 characters long. How many characters are in "William Tudor I"? You would be wise to do experimentation which shows the distribution of sums of any 14 letter expression. Similarly, the Kaye cipher has a weight which makes 14 letter expressions cluster around some other distribution. That cipher's weight is around 20ish, and that makes the 14 letter cluster appear around 280ish.  What that means is that there should be considerable 14 letter expressions which cluster around your desired values. It is only the intersection of two clusters in Simple and Kaye we are talking about. That, unfortunately, is not that significant.

It is not so much a discovery of the appearance of these sums as it is the discovery of expressions that would sum to 157 and 287 that matters to imbue them with meaning. Finding those requires an exploration outside of Shakespeare . And in finding them outside of Shakespeare by trial and error, one subsequently has to marry them to ideas in places where you have found occasions of 157 and 287 in Shakespeare. Are these places rare? Should they be found in your pyramid?

Where, if anywhere, are we given "William Tudor I" overtly? Is this your own idea? Does this discovery comes out of Shakespeare or does it simply come from experimentation with ciphering tools in trial and error fashion? Only you can answer that. It is entirely possible that 157 and 287 are intended in the structure of the work and that you are marrying two things you see as profitable to strengthen a suggestion.

The thing with bad syllogism is that the bad leap is possible. 

I would also point out that you are using a larger than necessary degree of presented coincidence here to describe something that you have engineered a significant part in. That doesn't count as a coincidence in Shakespeare. The coincidences in the text, if they are truly there to be discovered, may not even require an explanation using an expression which injects an entire theory of Bacon as King into consideration. If that is the only way Bacon as King enters into our discussions then it is exploiting an engineered effort. That sort of effort will have a home where Bacon as King is touted. If one engineered a coincidence that said Edward DeVere was meant to be King I would not expect that it would be demonstrated here.

Ciphering, if it was used, is a very poor way to say something with certainty. A consequence of this is that any time we will think there is something possibly being said in any mystery it will be an invitation to use these things to tease out something. That something might even be engineered.

In conclusion, we are at the mercy of Hermes. He's that trickster in us that will lead us for what we will call knowledge.

 

 

 

Edited June 11 by RoyalCraftiness

[RoyalCraftiness]

"The critic, if he is not your enemy, is one of your best allies" 

[Kate]

Always good to have different viewpoints!

I had actually just gone and asked Chat GPT about 153. It mentioned something I had not heard of before - the Arbelos. This seems to be linked to what you posted RC/CJ? I thought the Measure of the Fish came from the intersection of two circles though, The Arbelos seems to relate to three.

So, I guess you could say (at a push) 3 and 3 (seen as 33)= 153!

In a geometric context, the number 153 is known for its connection to what is called the "mystical triangle" or the "arbelos." The arbelos is a shape formed by three semicircles that are tangent to one another. It is often divided into three regions, and the ratio of the areas of these regions is approximately 1:2:3, with the middle region having an area of 153/π.

[RoyalCraftiness]

2 hours ago, Kate said:

Always good to have different viewpoints!

I had actually just gone and asked Chat GPT about 153. It mentioned something I had not heard of before - the Arbelos. This seems to be linked to what you posted RC/CJ? I thought the Measure of the Fish came from the intersection of two circles though, The Arbelos seems to relate to three.

So, I guess you could say (at a push) 3 and 3 (seen as 33)= 153!

In a geometric context, the number 153 is known for its connection to what is called the "mystical triangle" or the "arbelos." The arbelos is a shape formed by three semicircles that are tangent to one another. It is often divided into three regions, and the ratio of the areas of these regions is approximately 1:2:3, with the middle region having an area of 153/π.

That's one of the references Chat GPT has encountered in its assimilation of all that we have written. It, of course, does not know that out of its own synthesis, presumably. The fact that we get 153/pi (that's a completely different number than the number of the fish) which contains 153 makes us want to question the attribution of 153 to one thing or another specifically, but the reason it is there may very well relate to the angle considerations where the square root of three appears in a unit circle. Such things do exist. We call them trigonometric constants and they have exact values Exact trigonometric values - Wikipedia Check in the list how many of them have the square root of three and involve pi. Archimedes has told us that we can use 265/153 as an approximation for that root. 153/pi is rather nice because it is exact as an expression, but no matter what we give as a measured area it will also be an approximation.  Tan (pi/3) rad=the square root of three is listed there. pi/3 rad=60 degrees, the corner of an equilateral triangle. If (265/153)^2=3 and 153/pi=a specific area then we can plug that latter into the former and get: (265/that area x pi)^2=3. You can isolate that area from that expression and come to an approximation of it. That is what Archimedes allows for with the number of the fish. It becomes useful. It means that it would have necessarily been appreciated. The square root of three simply shows up too often on in regular polygons to not have gained some degree of prominence.

I'll look into the geometric methods to arrive to 153/pi to see why we get this elegant result. I'm not surprised that is there. The square root of three is baked into the exact expressions of trigonometry. It is most fundamentally there in the equilateral triangle where 60 degrees is present 3 times. 

Freemasonry celebrates the power of three in its story. 3 to the power of 3 is the length of the side of the perfect ashlar. 3 to the power of 4 is very prominent too (81, the number said to be of most significance). We can think of that as 3 in our material 4 dimensions as an extrapolated metaphor.

If you think of it, there's a natural urge to want to know the number which multiplied by itself gives 3. This number should give you a way to build an explanation for the Trinity with number if one wants to go there.

Imagine two sides are arguing. Two of them may be on diametrically opposite sides of an argument (they are on a spectrum or line). The third person who will want to come in an mediate will find that he must be "the square root of 3 away", symbolically speaking, from the line of two others. In theory, at that point each view would have to give up an equal amount for all to be equally spaced from a central suggestion. In the political sphere this is called triangulation. And we often hear talk of the "political center". You move people towards a center in a way that hides the fact you also control the direction of the moving center. Getting populations to where they need to go involves repeated triangulation. The ones manipulated we may as well call the "fish" in the exercise, or maybe the "sheep" if they just blindly are herded. Christ was both a herder of sheep and a fisher of men in his story. He's trying to move you to a philosophical center which becomes the intended direction of the character of the age. 

Regardless, 3 illuminates us when we consider human relationships. That is why when you read Iamblichus there is exactly that quality given to 3. It is a number that implies relationship. In an equilateral triangle it is perfect. That is a Holy Trinity. Good vs Evil on a line and the Holy Spirit of reason that gets us to a workable center. Without this sort of thing sides on a spectrum may simply come to negate themselves. For the question of why there is anything at all, one can start by saying that there was fundamentally an opposition in something and some mediating force that came to allow some degree of enduring stability. It is why there exist views about our origins even in the community of physicists that stress the importance of the high degree of symmetry which must have once existed in the Universe. The entire thing involves relationships, so expect 3 to figure in pure symmetry at a very basic level.

If you ask GPT what the speed of light is it will say that it is 2.9979 x 10^8 meters per second. That looks a lot like 3 or 265/153 x a power factor that we could interpret as an expression that relates space and time using the meter and the second.  It has led some to say that there is something inevitable in the fact that we came to use the second and the meter. It could be that, but it could also just be a very elegant coincidence. 

Edited June 11 by RoyalCraftiness

[Light-of-Truth]

153 is associated with the Vesica Piscis or Mandorla.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vesica_piscis

Mathematical description

Mathematically, the vesica piscis is a special case of a lens, the shape formed by the intersection of two disks.

The mathematical ratio of the height of the vesica piscis to the width across its center is the square root of 3, or 1.7320508... (since if straight lines are drawn connecting the centers of the two circles with each other and with the two points where the circles intersect, two equilateral triangles join along an edge). The ratios 265:153 = 1.7320261... and 1351:780 = 1.7320513... are two of a series of approximations to this value, each with the property that no better approximation can be obtained with smaller whole numbers. Archimedes of Syracuse, in his Measurement of a Circle, uses these ratios as upper and lower bounds:[5]

...

Various symbolic meanings have been associated with the vesica piscis:

• When arranged so that the lens is horizontal, with its two overlaid circles placed one above the other, it symbolizes the interface between the spiritual and physical worlds, represented by the two circles.[13][14] In this arrangement, it also resembles the ichthys (fish) symbol for Christ,[14] and has also been said to be a symbol of life, of "the materialization of the spirit", of Christ's mediation between heaven and earth, and of the eucharist.[15]
• When arranged so that the lens is placed vertically, and used to depict a halo or aureola, it represents divine glory.[16]
• When arranged so that the lens is placed vertically, it has also been said to be a depiction of the vulva, and therefore symbolic of femininity and fertility.[3][17]
• A diagram of Euclid's use of this diagram to construct an equilateral triangle, appearing with the vertical placement of the lens in James Joyce's Finnegans Wake, has been said to be "emblematic of rational man", but overlaid onto a vaginal triangle again symbolizing femininity.[18]

Fun to play with using the centered stops of the Sonnets Dedication poem. 😉

EDIT:

Kate mentions in The Secret Work of an Age, "The numbers, proportions and ratios that arise from the circle doubled are of the utmost symbolic importance because all of the geometrical shapes in the Universe can be ‘birthed’ from this Vesica/Mandorla."

 

[RoyalCraftiness]

26 minutes ago, Light-of-Truth said:

153 is associated with the Vesica Piscis or Mandorla.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vesica_piscis

Mathematical description

Mathematically, the vesica piscis is a special case of a lens, the shape formed by the intersection of two disks.

The mathematical ratio of the height of the vesica piscis to the width across its center is the square root of 3, or 1.7320508... (since if straight lines are drawn connecting the centers of the two circles with each other and with the two points where the circles intersect, two equilateral triangles join along an edge). The ratios 265:153 = 1.7320261... and 1351:780 = 1.7320513... are two of a series of approximations to this value, each with the property that no better approximation can be obtained with smaller whole numbers. Archimedes of Syracuse, in his Measurement of a Circle, uses these ratios as upper and lower bounds:[5]

...

Various symbolic meanings have been associated with the vesica piscis:

• When arranged so that the lens is horizontal, with its two overlaid circles placed one above the other, it symbolizes the interface between the spiritual and physical worlds, represented by the two circles.[13][14] In this arrangement, it also resembles the ichthys (fish) symbol for Christ,[14] and has also been said to be a symbol of life, of "the materialization of the spirit", of Christ's mediation between heaven and earth, and of the eucharist.[15]
• When arranged so that the lens is placed vertically, and used to depict a halo or aureola, it represents divine glory.[16]
• When arranged so that the lens is placed vertically, it has also been said to be a depiction of the vulva, and therefore symbolic of femininity and fertility.[3][17]
• A diagram of Euclid's use of this diagram to construct an equilateral triangle, appearing with the vertical placement of the lens in James Joyce's Finnegans Wake, has been said to be "emblematic of rational man", but overlaid onto a vaginal triangle again symbolizing femininity.[18]

Fun to play with using the centered stops of the Sonnets Dedication poem. 😉

EDIT:

Kate mentions in The Secret Work of an Age, "The numbers, proportions and ratios that arise from the circle doubled are of the utmost symbolic importance because all of the geometrical shapes in the Universe can be ‘birthed’ from this Vesica/Mandorla."

 

We have to be careful here. 153 is associated with an approximation for the value of the square root of three which is the height of the Vesica when using unit circles. 265/153 is the height to width ratio approximation in all other cases. The inheritance comes from Archimedes as far as we know. 153 is not a property of the Vesica, but it has been given that reputation.

You cannot get any polygons out the Vesica except the ones which can be drawn exactly with compass and rule. The rest are limited to near approximations.  Nature doesn't build shapes this way either. There has never been, and there will never be a true circle found in nature. The circle is an idea or a principle.  When constructing shapes starting from Euclid's first proposition you' ll hit a first snag at the heptagon. It's impossible to trisect an angle in most cases, but in the case of a 180 angle it's doable because 60 degrees is one of those angles which can be captured geometrically. Given a circle of a certain radius, you cannot draw a square from it that will have the same area it has. Demonstration of this exist, but they are all approximations.

Doubling is an interesting thing to consider. There is a relationship with doubling to Euler's number e as you can see here.

In the formula used to calculate compounding interest, for example, you will see e appear. That equation will allow you calculate a doubling time for your little fortune growing by a steady rate of return.  When things grow by a scaling factor of Phi (golden mean) you' ll see pi in the equation.

[RoyalCraftiness]

11 hours ago, Kate said:

Always good to have different viewpoints!

I had actually just gone and asked Chat GPT about 153. It mentioned something I had not heard of before - the Arbelos. This seems to be linked to what you posted RC/CJ? I thought the Measure of the Fish came from the intersection of two circles though, The Arbelos seems to relate to three.

So, I guess you could say (at a push) 3 and 3 (seen as 33)= 153!

In a geometric context, the number 153 is known for its connection to what is called the "mystical triangle" or the "arbelos." The arbelos is a shape formed by three semicircles that are tangent to one another. It is often divided into three regions, and the ratio of the areas of these regions is approximately 1:2:3, with the middle region having an area of 153/π.

After some consideration I find that this makes no sense. There are three semi-circles defining the Arbelos. What Chap GPT calls three "regions" is unclear to me and it doesn't give that clearly. The region defined by the difference of the areas of the larger of the 3 and the sum of the two others is the Arbelos. It's area is not fixed; it's equal to the area of the circle of dimeter HA in this figure. HA will be different depending on size of the larger circle you chose. You can chose any length you want so the Arbelos cannot have an area=153/pi in all cases.

The only time it would is if the area of the circle of diameter HA was equal to 153/pi.  The area of that circle made equal to that is: pi x (HA/2)^2=153/pi. HA^2/4 x pi^2=153. That is to say when HA equals 7.8745 or 2.5 x pi.  HA can be anything we want it to be, and so can the region in blue here (the arbelos). You can draw a tiny one or a much larger one. The areas will he different. It would appear that Chat GPT is confused and may have stumbled on a problem where the answer was 153/pi and generalized. Other than that  maybe ask it again what it means by three regions. It is known for spitting out nonsense often enough. There are three obvious regions defined by semi circles and one defined by the difference in areas of the largest and the two others. The way it has explained itself is woefully inadequate.

If the area of the semi-circles is given by 1:2:3  you can still have HA be any number unless you pin the area of one of the circles to a specific value.

[Kate]

My Movie 14.mov

Press! 
The name of the guy who made the GIF is in top right, so credit goes to him. 
 

Lots of interesting stuff on Twitter if you use the search term Arbelos Geometry. 

Adding in a still picture for those who can't or don't want to download. In the 'Movie' it's the moving GIF and you see the circles all moving together across the arc - it's worth a watch.

Edited June 12 by Kate
Added in still picture

[RoyalCraftiness]

7 hours ago, Kate said:

 

My Movie 14.mov 4.4 MB · 5 downloads  

Press! 
The name of the guy who made the GIF is in top right, so credit goes to him. 
 

Lots of interesting stuff on Twitter if you use the search term Arbelos Geometry. 
 

It has led me to think of a possible application to it in the use of composition where the circle/vesica/lens is prominent. I have checked out Poussin's Shepherds of Arcadia since it is suspected to have been loaded with esoteric symbolism.

An obvious Arbelos would be the one which we can construct with what I have showing in green. This gives a semi circle which is centered exactly in the ear of the kneeling shepherd. This point is on a diagonal going through the Muse/Nymph's eye and along both eyes of the shepherd who is looking at her. This diagonal gets intersected by the main canvas diagonal in blue at a point on a line which is related to the large circle's center point being pointed to.

The large half circle base is about (3+1/Phi) x small half circle base.

 

Edited June 12 by RoyalCraftiness

[RoyalCraftiness]

On 6/11/2023 at 1:42 PM, Kate said:

Always good to have different viewpoints!

I had actually just gone and asked Chat GPT about 153. It mentioned something I had not heard of before - the Arbelos. This seems to be linked to what you posted RC/CJ? I thought the Measure of the Fish came from the intersection of two circles though, The Arbelos seems to relate to three.

So, I guess you could say (at a push) 3 and 3 (seen as 33)= 153!

In a geometric context, the number 153 is known for its connection to what is called the "mystical triangle" or the "arbelos." The arbelos is a shape formed by three semicircles that are tangent to one another. It is often divided into three regions, and the ratio of the areas of these regions is approximately 1:2:3, with the middle region having an area of 153/π.

0.33....=1/3

1/3 x Pi rad x 57.29 degrees/1 rad=60 degrees

Tan (60 degrees)= square root of 3=265/153

This is the superficial link between 1/3, square root of three and 153. 

I've drawn this using three circles to underscore that one doesn't have to simply associate it with 2 overlapping circles.

If you recall what I showed about the Shakespeare funerary plaque you can see the application there:

The central Vesica is under the line with SS atop it and AA below it. In the Vesica someone here pointed out that "hang hog" is clustered around the number of the fish. That Vesica can be thought of as being related to the square root of three, 1 aspect of 3 or as 0.33...  or 265/153.  1/3 of the hang hog's name value is roughly "Bacon". And he did make an effort to give us SS in ten centuries to imply the relevance of 100 to him. At the very end here you have an representation for "domini" which is "do" with an uppercase I.  I like this, because "do" is in fact the tonic or the 1 in the key of C. Which is one of the 17 notes we we see represented on the staff. C is 3 and 3 x17=51. This is just above 53, possibly telling you to mind the occasion of 153 in a Vesica and 54. If that I is taken as a one then 1 and 16+16 are 33. There is also 16+16+53+23=108 here. That's the prefect Masonic square ashlar that is given to us on account of 3^3 x 4=108. In life we are not perfect. The stone we polish in life is half the final product, symbolized by 54. The perfection comes with the completion in heaven in the Masonic story. 53 and I here are not just 153, but also 53+1=54. The Vesica overtly gives Home as if to say that it was the place of birthing of many things, and it is the place of return. There is always plenty to play with to suggest things. If I allowed a B suggestion in there for hang hog then even MAHABONEH is clustered in there.  Can we do this sort of sorcery and imply that Bacon wrote Shakespeare? I don't think any degree of elegance allows for it. There is a physical proof of this or there is just conjecture. I am happy just showing this and not knowing what any of this could mean.

Edited June 24 by RoyalCraftiness

[Light-of-Truth]

5 hours ago, RoyalCraftiness said:

Can we do this sort of sorcery and imply that Bacon wrote Shakespeare? I don't think any degree of elegance allows for it. There is a physical proof of this or there is just conjecture. I am happy just showing this and not knowing what any of this could mean.

I am happy seeing it! I may conjure up some Bacon ideas myself from what you demonstrate, but you are wise in not finding magic elegant.

in 1570 something was written by John Dee that I have found comfort in almost as much as Prosperos prologue.

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/22062/22062-h/22062-h.htm

I'm bolding a few points:

All thinges which are, & haue beyng, are found vnder a triple diuersitie generall. For, either, they are demed Supernaturall, Naturall, or, of a third being. Thinges Supernaturall, are immateriall, simple, indiuisible, incorruptible, & vnchangeable. Things Naturall, are materiall, compounded, diuisible, corruptible, and chaungeable. Thinges Supernaturall, are, of the minde onely, comprehended: Things Naturall, of the sense exterior, ar hable to be perceiued. In thinges Naturall, probabilitie and coniecture hath place: But in things Supernaturall, chief demõstration, & most sure Science is to be had. By which properties & comparasons of these two, more easily may be described, the state, condition, nature and property of those thinges, which, we before termed of a third being: which, by a peculier name also, are called Thynges Mathematicall. For, these, beyng (in a maner) middle, betwene thinges supernaturall and naturall: are not so absolute and excellent, as thinges supernatural: Nor yet so base and grosse, as things naturall: But are thinges immateriall: and neuerthelesse, by materiall things hable somewhat to be signified. And though their particular Images, by Art, are aggregable and diuisible: yet the generall Formes, notwithstandyng, are constant, vnchaungeable, vntrãsformable, and incorruptible. Neither of the sense, can they, at any tyme, be perceiued or iudged. Nor yet, for all that, in the royall mynde of man, first conceiued. But, surmountyng the imperfectiõ of coniecture, weenyng and opinion: and commyng short of high intellectuall cõceptiõ, are the Mercurial fruite of Dianœticall discourse, in perfect imagination subsistyng. A meruaylous newtralitie haue these thinges Mathematicall, and also a straunge participatiõ betwene thinges supernaturall, immortall, intellectual, simple and indiuisible: and thynges naturall, mortall, sensible, compounded and diuisible. Probabilitie and sensible prose, may well serue in thinges naturall: and is commendable: In Mathematicall reasoninges, a probable Argument, is nothyng regarded: nor yet the testimony of sense, any whit credited: But onely a perfect demonstration, of truthes certaine, necessary, and inuincible: vniuersally and necessaryly concluded: is allowed as sufficient for an Argument exactly and purely Mathematical.

 

CJ, I have no doubts you are well studied in this paragraph. You kind of play the role for the Naturall in my opinion. Yet Dee tells us, "Things Naturall, are materiall, compounded, diuisible, corruptible, and chaungeable." I am aware I tend to be representing the Supernaturall, "Thinges Supernaturall, are, of the minde onely, comprehended".

Some days you present the third thynge, Mathematicall. 😉

When I ponder and wonder on Dee's brilliant mind, I try to define the third thing in my mind. It is "beyng (in a maner) middle, betwene thinges supernaturall and naturall".

Funny how things Mathematical and Synchronicity things share the same space, in between Supernatural and Natural.

20 some years enjoying revisiting Dee's 1570 work I have not come to a real conclusion, even though I love coming back!

What I mostly love about numbers is how they work. The weather does not change them, nor the language spoken, the tools to arrive at the answers, and so on. The numbers work today as they did thousands of years ago when our ancestors first started learning them as they did the sun, the seasons, stars and planets, and life itself.

CJ, you may possibly have a PHD in Western Esoteric Studies, how would you explain Dee's "third thing"?

Love your example above!!