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Song in Book of Pooh lyrics:

See there was this guy named William Shakespeare,
Who wrote the way we sing,
Wonderful plays wrote William Shakespeare
Fit for a piglet and a king.

A piglet and a King?? Bacon and Tudor??

This is the episode, the song start around 19:11 or so.

Here is an interesting note about Book of Pooh:

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Series/TheBookOfPooh

The Book of Pooh is a children's television series that aired on Disney Channel, the third to feature the characters from the Disney franchise based on A. A. Milne's Winnie the Pooh works. It premiered on January 22, 2001 and completed its run on July 8, 2003.

Bacon's birthday in 2001. That very well may the morning I woke up after a dream and started to add up the lines of the Sonnets starting with Sonnet 136 as was in my dream. I got 155 Simple cipher that morning as I had a copy of the Sonnets that was modern and 155 is the Simple cipher of WILL SHAKESPEARE. This is a Sonnet all about Wills. That was the beginning of my Sonnets work.

And I am sorry, in the video the speaker mentions this is Shakespeare, but it is not Willy's collar and it looks like Bacon to me:

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Later on he mentions that The Lion King is the story of Hamlet. I need to watch it. Pumbaa is "warthog" I never noticed before.

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Go Disney!

Sadly, in Florida the above clip would be banned from the public as a character in the fun and harmless cartoon suggested dressing in drag which is no longer legal in our state. First Disney, then Shakespeare. Yikes

 

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Curious...

https://waltereliasdisney.fandom.com/wiki/William_Shakespeare

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On that page is this:

Animated features

  • In Oliver & Company, Francis is seen watching the grainy TV and a theatrical production of Macbeth, one of Shakespeare's most famous plays and which he apparently knows by heart. The part shown was from Act V, Scene 5 of Macbeth.  

Francis page:

https://waltereliasdisney.fandom.com/wiki/Francis

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Mostly this Disney character is not how we think of Bacon, but there are enough good hints that the name has significance, even if the character only shares a few connections.

Trivia

  • Francis was based on Winston Churchill, whose appearance was often compared to being like a bulldog.
  • Francis is seen watching Macbeth on T.V., one of William Shakespeare's most famous plays, which he apparently knows by heart.
  • In Jenny's house, when not focusing on "rescuing" Oliver and admiring masterpieces, Francis mentions: Chagall and Matisse; two famous French artists.
  • Francis and Mr. Arrow from Treasure Planet share the same voice actor, Roscoe Lee Browne.
  • Patrick Stewart was considered for the role of Francis.
  • Francis was shown eating Georgette's box of bonbons. It should be noted bonbons are small candies coated in chocolate which is poisonous to both dogs and cats. Earlier in the movie, he was shown eating an apple, which is considered a healthy snack and an excellent source of vitamins A and C, as well as fiber for dogs but it shouldn't have been eaten along with the core and the seeds that contain a small amount of cyanide which is released when they're broken or chewed.
  • When preparing to jump in order to launch Oliver into Sykes' warehouse, Francis quotes: "Farewell, Dulcinea."; a reference to the novel, Don Quixote by Miguel de Cervantes.
  • Francis greatly resembles Bull from Lady and the Tramp as both are the same breed.
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3 hours ago, A Phoenix said:

Francis is also dressed in 'Royal' purple! And yes, it could well be an avaricious Willy pushing the cart (with an eye on stealing the plays?)

Love the AI Mickey Mouses - great fun!

Brilliant Disney sleuthing Rob - who'd have thought. . . ?😜

Disney created the National Treasure movies. As the first one was being promoted in 2004 I spent a lot of time on the movie forums offering my Baconian take.  I was pointing out Bacon clues.

http://www.light-of-truth.com/Freemasonry/NationalTreasure.htm

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I remember seeing Disney.com on my website for some time and there were a few days when Disney IP addresses were my most active visitors. I was waiting for Disney to contact me to demand I remove the image I altered without their permission. 🙂

This is a cipher they used to promote the movie:

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A N S T O E W R S O M E is 157 Simple cipher and an anagram for NAME TWO ROSES.

 

With National Treasure 2: Book of Secrets that came out in 2007 when the term BACON was used in their decoder, I assumed it was a wink at me and I actually believe that. 🙂

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Yann, I see what you mean. I started to watch it on my PC, and was stopped in my tracks even after I saw your images as hints. I wonder if the old Disney music had messages I was not aware I was getting! 

And there are more ways than one to solve your challenge! 🙂

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I want to look up these names. Are they real is question one. I am sure they are. Bill Peet is real.

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I think I need to watch through this '53 Disney movie, then go back and watch again and remember what pops up.

But even in my car on the way home, I was thinking "Ben and me" should be about "Ben Jonson and Francis Bacon."

I have not gone far yet into the video to see. 🙂

 

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Not everyone is a fan of Disney's. 

Michael Hiltzik, "Column: Disney allegedly has cheated hundreds of writers out of pay," May 11, 2023, https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2022-05-11/disney-star-wars-writers-of-royalties.

https://authorsguild.org/news/disneymustpay-uncovers-additional-unpaid-writers-owed-royalties-by-disney/

https://whatculture.com/film/10-times-disney-blatantly-stole-from-other-movies

https://www.latimes.com/business/hollywood/la-fi-ct-zootopia-lawsuit-20170321-story.html

https://whatculture.com/film/7-disney-movies-accused-stealing-ideas

https://screenrant.com/tower-terror-art-work-disney-youtube-stolen-apology/

https://imafoolishmortal.com/blogs/news/disney-art-isnt-always-disney-made-they-steal-it-from-fan-artists-like-me

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=89515&page=1

https://ipwatchdog.com/2017/10/02/disney-pixar-steal-movie-inside-out/id=88559/  and https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/ca9/18-55635/18-55635-2020-05-04.html  (Denise Daniels, the parenting expert who pitched her idea to Disney and Disney just took it without compensating her, lost in the 9th Circuit Court).

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/disney-settles-pirates-caribbean-copyright-185804239.html  and https://www.cinemablend.com/news/1662189/how-many-times-disney-got-sued-for-the-original-pirates-of-the-caribbean-movie (Pirates of the Caribbean)

https://filmsuits.com/beverly-hills-chihuahua/    (Zenon Martin Yachreta vs Disney, over Beverly Hills Chihuahas).

The idea for the Epcot Center idea was stolen; Disney had to pay. https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/66666/did-disney-steal-idea-epcot

Ozama Tezuka, the creator of Kimba the White Lion sued Disney (but lost) over The Lion King. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/lion-king-kimba-white-lion-does-disney-need-come-clean-1225822/

Even Mickey Mouse. https://nypost.com/2018/06/30/walt-disney-stole-the-idea-for-mickey-mouse-off-his-friend/

Little Nemo, http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/3347067.stm. The plaintiff suing Disney lost and was ordered to pay $80,000 in fees and damages. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/arts/writer-who-sued-disney-over-nemo-guilty-of-fraud/article979274/.

 

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2 hours ago, Christie Waldman said:

Not everyone is a fan of Disney's. 

This is true. Even in Florida.

One of my favorite professors in college who taught me to write a better sentence in her class, was a person who believed there was a dark Disney cult that kidnapped children at Disney World, drugged them, changed their sex attire in a bathroom, and sneaked them out of the park never to be found again. Parents devastated. We never saw anything on the news because "The Mouse" was too powerful. It happened a few times a day every day, 365 days a year.

I had a hard time even thinking she believed it. But she did.

Mostly though, as powerful as the Mouse is, the good it does is critically important. I was given the "Disney" talk when my business started up around 20 years ago by an experienced Florida businessman; People from around the World come to Disney World bringing their kids. Happy families and that is what Disney delivers. It is a "Happy" place. They have it down to an Art. Happy families also love the beaches. My business is beach connected. People from all over the world come to the beaches. All races, all countries, all religions. All languages. They come to Florida beaches because they bring their families to Disney World. We love everybody on the beaches, and Disney loves everybody.

2 hours ago, Christie Waldman said:

Michael Hiltzik, "Column: Disney allegedly has cheated hundreds of writers out of pay," May 11, 2023,

Disney is big, very big, international. If they accidentally cheat hundreds of artists every year considering they pay and offer full benefits and vacation days to a quarter million people around the world that might be a very good statistic.

Are they claiming hundreds over some years? That is a tragedy, sad. I am sure there may have been some with power who might have had intentions to do something horrible to someone. Even if 99.84% (credit: Alan Green) of the 250,000 Disney employees were beautiful and positive people, there would be 400 assholes employed at any time. I'd aim for 99.99% and would still have 25. I imagine the reality is much higher indeed with any large entity.

Disney is a giant business. Innocent people might end up unlucky and screwed, by accident or fallout from other areas. I have experienced locally that Disney's culture is positive and for any artist they have amazing opportunities. The school I went to had an animation department and any student who wanted to be in that field had a career upon completion of the degree.

Disney is under attack because they spoke up for their LGBT employees. That is allowed in Bacon's New Atlantis, Freedom of Speech. Artists often tend to be from the edges of our societies. Disney is known as a safe haven for artists, all accepted.

Shakespeare is at risk of being under attack in Florida. Just giving you a heads up, aware of my surroundings. The works have everything now being banned in Florida schools. Hamlet, Romeo and Juliet, The Sonnets. It only takes one parent to speak out. Of course the Bible has all that too.

I'll always be upset some burned Dee's books, it is happening here in Florida by the same people.

Disney is fighting for the right to be Shakespeare. It is THAT big, if they lose we lose.

EDIT: An essay:

https://www.newsweek.com/ron-desantis-florida-teacher-book-ban-schools-1802274

 

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8 hours ago, Allisnum2er said:

Ben & me (1953)

As luck would have it 😊 ...

Once I got into the old 1953 video, some parts became familiar. I must have seen this as a kid. No clue when or where, but the story seemed familiar.

I always loved Ben Franklin. He was the guy with the "Key" on a string flying into a dark Thunderstorm. He "discovered" electricity. One of my heroes!

In my late-thirties near the base of Mt. Princeton in Colorado I actually flew a kite into a thunderstorm with a key tied onto the string. That was before I knew of Bacon, and I was wild and reckless back then! LOL

Maybe in a way, seeing images of Ben Jonson just now, I realize I have connected the two Bens (Jonson and Franklin) as brilliant, fun, chubby guys.

The little mouse helped Ben do many of the things that we know him for in this movie. Truth is Ben Franklin did all those things, but here is a Mouse reminding everybody in 1953 that all these things were Ben's. 😉

I feel like it has numerous hidden treasures to be found. Few times I was being tossed some hints and clues.

Bensalem? What is Ben's "Alem"?

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13 hours ago, Christie Waldman said:

Not everyone is a fan of Disney's. 

Interesting articles. Anyone hoping to sell intellectual property to a large corporation should be careful and fully understand any contracts being signed.

The last link is about someone found to be a fraud who was trying to sue Disney. It must be difficult to be fair while also protecting oneself from opportunists.

This is from the Disney website:

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20 years ago it was possible to reach out to Disney with an idea. Now it is not so easy.

 

 

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Light-of-Truth, I hear you saying, you support Disney because it brings money into Florida where you live and work and indirectly has a positive effect on your business, and  because Walt Disney was a Freemason, and maybe for other reasons, including your respect for its artistry. Many of us learned as children about Bambi or Pinocchio or Snow White or Cinderella from the Disney animated movie versions. 

In the case of French author Franck Le Calvez who self-published his illustrated children's screenplay, Pierrot Le Poisson Clown  in Nov., 2002 (having registered his fish as a trademark with French authorities in 1995 and registering his screenplay with the French Society of Authors in June, 2002), pre-dating the May 30, 2003 Disney film "Little Nemo" in 2003: the French court ruled against him, requiring him to pay $80,000 penalty and court costs in U.S. money to Disney. Did the Court call him a fraud or was that "headline hyperbole"? I have not read the case. A person can bring a case in good faith and still lose. Maybe Calvez should have appealed but could not afford to. So, let's be careful about labelling him a fraud based on a newspaper headline, okay?

Yes, there are two sides to every story. People may sue Disney who do not have good claims., but I would not think a person would sue Disney lightly. According to this article, Calvez sued because bookstores were pulling his book from the shelves because it was "too much like the Disney movie." Shiraz Sidhva, "Author Claims 'Finding Nemo' Plagiarism," Dec. 30, 2003, https://www.today.com/popculture/author-claims-finding-nemo-plagiarism-wbna3840185.

It is the copyright laws which do not protect writers and artists sufficiently, that need to be changed, and the laws we have need to be enforced. It is hard enough for a writer or artist to make a living these days without having to worry that, merely by pitching one's work of years to a publisher or producer, etc., one could lose the rights to claim its content. I guess you can tell this is something I feel strongly about.

 

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, Christie Waldman said:

It is the copyright laws which do not protect writers and artists sufficiently, that need to be changed, and the laws we have need to be enforced. It is hard enough for a writer or artist to make a living these days without having to worry that, merely by pitching one's work of years to a publisher or producer, etc., one could lose the rights to claim its content. I guess you can tell this is something I feel strongly about.

I agree 100%. I'm not trying to make excuses or defend Disney for bad things it does. Same goes for Google or ATT, or any other large corporation. Even a small business or individual that steals intellectual property should be held accountable.

Of course Disney could demand I stop creating AI images using the likeness of Mickey Mouse. I'm a little surprised it is even possible.

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There does seem to be a lot to be concerned about these days.

Here's the Authors Guild, April 29, 2021, "#Disney Must Pay Uncovers Additional Unpaid Writers Owed Royalties by Disney," https://authorsguild.org/news/disneymustpay-uncovers-additional-unpaid-writers-owed-royalties-by-disney/ and Aug. 12, 2021, https://www.authorsline.org/industry-advocacy/disneymustpay-task-force-begins-outreach-to-all-comic-book-creators-looking-for-missing-royalties/ and https://www.writersmustbepaid.org/solutions (2021).

Back to Bacon: Bacon mentioned concern about prior piracy of his essays, presumably in manuscript form? in his dedication to his brother Anthonie of the first edition of his Essays (1597. 2d ed. was 1612. 3d ed. was 1625). Even so, he didn't put his name on the title page. He said elsewhere, he considered that to be bad form. We also see in the First Folio that piracy of the plays is mentioned as a reason for its publication. A living author cares most about the piracy of his works.

Smith College's Mary Augusta Scott's "Introduction" to her edition of Bacon's Essays (New York: Scribner's, 1908) seems very good, telling Bacon's life story probably a lot more accurately than some of the ones we've seen lately online. In her preface, she explains why she uses the Bible and Shakespeare to explain Bacon's meaning of terms, finding that Bacon made some reference to the Bible in every single essay. It's on Internet Archive.

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