Eric Roberts Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 (edited) Just wondering if anyone here has visited the Church of St. Michaels (Lawrence?, Phoenixes?) and had a close up inspection of the interior. Nowhere on the internet can I find a plaque or memorial of any kind commemorating the death of Lady Anne Bacon. Surely, there must be something of the sort inside St. Michael's? Not suggesting anything, just puzzled as to how such a great lady could be buried without a trace or mention. Being a devout Christian, she may have preferred to be interred anonymously, perhaps. Why was she not buried in the great and venerable cathedral of St Albans? You can understand why Sir Francis chose St. Michael's - a diminutive and ancient Saxon parish church - as a manageable, relatively private location for his final grand performance. Although it looks as though Francis's relationship with Lady Bacon was difficult at times to say the least, he must have loved her. And yet he chose not to erect even the most humble monument to her memory, as far as I know... Edited March 22 by Eric Roberts 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Phoenix Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 Hello Eric, We have been to St Michael's and cannot recall any commemoration to Lady Anne Bacon - like you say puzzling unless there was originally one. We have contacted St Michael's to see if they can shed any more light on the situation and will update when we hear back from them. 2 1 https://aphoenix1.academia.edu/ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrY7wzlXnZiT1Urwx7jP6fQ/videos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light-of-Truth Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 4 hours ago, Eric Roberts said: Although it looks as though Francis's relationship with Lady Bacon was difficult at times to say the least, he must have loved her. And yet he chose not to erect even the most humble monument to her memory, as far as I know... I want to look in the Sonnets as there are many monuments that Bacon left with specific meanings. Did he love her? Of course, yet... Elizabeth was not the only "mother" that denied Bacon his Royal due. He was betrayed by two mothers who were fully aware of the truth. I never thought about that before. Lady Bacon raised him, taught him to read and pee in the proper places. She was very religious, maybe a bit more dogmatic than an adolescent scientific Tudor mind could roll with even though he always played that role in public. Once he found out who he really was, after he was sent forth by his real mother, Elizabeth I, without his "cloak", "To let base clouds in his way" over-take his way. Did he ever talk to his adopted mother? "Hi Mom, I just found out that my mother is the Virgin Queen. I always thought it was you. Was that a lie? I am confused." 1 T A A A A A A A A A A A T 157 www.Light-of-Truth.com 287 <-- 1 8 8 1 1 O 1 1 8 8 1 --> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Phoenix Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 Hi Rob, There is no doubt that Francis loved Lady Anne dearly even though she was an incredibly formidable force to be reckoned with by all accounts. She had been tutor to King Edward and Lady in Waiting to Elizabeth so was a trusted courtier. An extraordinary classics scholar and translator and a devout and learned scholar of the scriptures her erudition was widely admired. Much of Francis's early learning would have been aided and encouraged by Lady Anne and there exist many letters between her and Anthony and Francis. There is a letter to Francis's friend Michael Hicks just after she died asking him to come to 'the mournful occasion' of her funeral (Spedding's Letters and Life, iv. 216-18). When Francis drew up his own last will, its second clause ran: 'For my burial, I desire it may be in St. Michael's Church, near St. Albans — there my mother was buried' (ibid. vii. 539). Painting c. 1600 by Isaac Oliver 1 1 1 https://aphoenix1.academia.edu/ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrY7wzlXnZiT1Urwx7jP6fQ/videos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light-of-Truth Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 Bacon must have left a tribute to her somewhere. Was it her name, birthday, what... When "mother" appears in the Sonnets it points to Elizabeth as far as I have recognized. How would Bacon honor her in cipher?? Edit: Bacon did not get her looks. LOL 2 T A A A A A A A A A A A T 157 www.Light-of-Truth.com 287 <-- 1 8 8 1 1 O 1 1 8 8 1 --> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light-of-Truth Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 1 hour ago, A Phoenix said: There is no doubt that Francis loved Lady Anne dearly even though she was an incredibly formidable force to be reckoned with by all accounts. Bacon did not live an easy life by any stretch of the imagine. That he did not become a full blown schizophrenic living as three different people (Tudor, Bacon, Shakespeare) with two moms (Elizabeth, Anne) is a testimonial to the amazing strength of his mind. And he did in style, top notch acting. Bacon was Shakespeare and the best Actor that has ever lived. LOL 3 T A A A A A A A A A A A T 157 www.Light-of-Truth.com 287 <-- 1 8 8 1 1 O 1 1 8 8 1 --> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allisnum2er Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 51 minutes ago, Light-of-Truth said: Bacon must have left a tribute to her somewhere. Was it her name, birthday, what... When "mother" appears in the Sonnets it points to Elizabeth as far as I have recognized. How would Bacon honor her in cipher?? Edit: Bacon did not get her looks. LOL Hi Rob, Following your idea, I found something that is intriguing ... ANNE COOKE = 78 simple cipher. I decided to take a look at the 78th page of the First Folio, and here is what I noticed ... https://internetshakespeare.uvic.ca/Library/facsimile/book/SLNSW_F1/78/index.html%3fzoom=1275.html We have "Mum" and "Anne" in the same passage. Strangely, in OpensourceShakespeare we have not "I went to her in greene" but " I went to her in white" ! https://www.opensourceshakespeare.org/search/search-results.php And in the first Quarto of The Merry Wives of Windsor (1602) ... "No neither, for I came to her in red as you bad me, and I cried mum, and hee cried budget, so well as ever you heard, and I have married him." Notice that here, Anne is not mentionned. https://www.bl.uk/Treasures/SiqDiscovery/UI/record.aspx?Source=text&LHCopy=39&LHPage=50&RHCopy=39&RHPage=51 https://www.bl.uk/Treasures/SiqDiscovery/UI/PageMax.aspx?strResize=yes&strCopy=39&page=51 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Phoenix Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 Yann, how very intriguing!! 2 https://aphoenix1.academia.edu/ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrY7wzlXnZiT1Urwx7jP6fQ/videos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light-of-Truth Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 78 is a number that pops up often. Day 78 is the last Day of Sonnet 33 which is indeed a Sonnet about Bacon's "mother(s)" as March 19 ends. 😉 http://www.light-of-truth.com/pyramid-GMT.php#Day078 Sonnet 78 begins the second half of the Sonnets on Day 183 right after Day 182. 3 T A A A A A A A A A A A T 157 www.Light-of-Truth.com 287 <-- 1 8 8 1 1 O 1 1 8 8 1 --> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Phoenix Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 On 3/22/2023 at 6:08 PM, A Phoenix said: Hello Eric, We have been to St Michael's and cannot recall any commemoration to Lady Anne Bacon - like you say puzzling unless there was originally one. We have contacted St Michael's to see if they can shed any more light on the situation and will update when we hear back from them. Today we received the following from the Archivist at St Michael's Church St Albans, not very illuminating unfortunately. 'If Lady Bacon was buried in St Michael' s Church there is unfortunately no sign of her burial place. All I do know is that his will includes the statement of his wish to be buried in the Church "there was my Mother buried". The same goes for her son, Francis. We have his monument but no burial place. Very frustrating. So sorry I can't be of more help.' 3 https://aphoenix1.academia.edu/ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrY7wzlXnZiT1Urwx7jP6fQ/videos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Roberts Posted March 27 Author Share Posted March 27 1 hour ago, A Phoenix said: Today we received the following from the Archivist at St Michael's Church St Albans, not very illuminating unfortunately. 'If Lady Bacon was buried in St Michael' s Church there is unfortunately no sign of her burial place. All I do know is that his will includes the statement of his wish to be buried in the Church "there was my Mother buried". The same goes for her son, Francis. We have his monument but no burial place. Very frustrating. So sorry I can't be of more help.' James Spedding records that "On 27 August 1610, Francis Bacon wrote to his mother's friend Sir Michael Hicks, inviting him to her funeral." I also came across an itemised list of expenses relating to the funeral of Lady Bacon. So there is some evidence that a funeral did take place. But why no commemorative plaque or stained glass window? And why no coffin - apparently? Very frustrating, indeed! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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