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The sweetest of all hides in FORTH but takes much understanding to grasp.

T T is absolutely linked with the number of lines in the dedication: 13,   or  THIRTEEN

but some would argue against it, no matter what.

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6 hours ago, peethagoras said:

The sweetest of all hides in FORTH but takes much understanding to grasp.

It's absolutely linked with the number of lines in the dedication: 13. 

 

One must go forth from 1,2 and 3. The fourth T is concealed in the the T.T. when that is taken to be in reference to the Triple Tau. One ought to also go forth and try and figure out what that means. In the symbolic emblem of the Triple Tau each Tau has it's orientation. This evokes the spatial idea of the cardinal points with and the importance of the tetrad in the material world (something we can also take to be an eclipse cycle of 4 consecutive total eclipses, because that is also what a tetrad refers to). Tetrads were known to exist from very early times. The idea is extended to the tetragrammaton in how to represent God's name. In the case of the one we keep being presented with, it is the fist occurrence of it in the Old Testament from Genesis 2-4 where the heavens and the Earth are created.

1,2 and 3 are all elegantly accounted for in 11, 12 and 13. If you went forth to the fourth that might be 14, but it could also be 10.  The four would sum to fifty in the case of 14, and 100 would represent the first harmonic of it (in one octave ratio of 2:1). Bacon would have identified with both 50 and 100, because the fundamental relationship of the square of 10x10 is that it is made up of 2 rectangles capturing 50 units of area. The half square is the representation of the human life which is only going to be completed in death. Freemasonry calls this the foundation stone and the perfect square ashlar. In life we are meant to polish our foundation stone.

There is an extended Pythagorean mathematical idea here also. We could consider the fourth as either 10 or 14, and this might send us in the direction of noticing that 10^2 + 11^2 + 12^2 = 13^2 + 14^2 .  The left side of the equation is 100+121+144=365, or one year in days. The left is 169 + 196=365 or one year in days. How could this be so? This, my friend, is how you start off a mystery in empirical terms and then move it into the figurative. Why does the simplest of all Maths using 1,2,3 and 4 come to capture so much in the Tetractys? Why do the 5 consecutive numbers 10, 11, 12, 13 and 14 have this property?

It goes further than that with the Sonnets. There are two triangles (two Ts) in the text of the dedication. One is 82 characters in number and the other is 64. If you omit the character in superscript in M^r W H by considering it may be alluding to an accent in Hebrew you have 81 and 64. Both are squares of 9 and 8 which multiply to give 72, which are the number of the names  of God in Hebrew. Furthermore, 81 x 64 is 1/5 of the 25920 years which happens to be the length of the cycle of precession of the axial tilt plane of the Earth. That number is the average time for the appearance of the next pole star in years (there are 5 in the precession cycle which travels around the constellation of Draco). What's is going on here? Why are the Sonnets being dedicated to ideas of God who is a poet and to eternity and rewards in heaven which are potentially mathematically equated? The basic idea is that God's creation (his Sonnets) are given to us as a silent song of the harmonious spheres which have a basis in geometry. This sort of current idea works if we attribute it to 1609. Galileo and Copernicus will come and upset the ideas, but that is for later. Whoever wrote the Sonnets was highly taken by the apparent mathematical and harmonic beauty of the arrangement.  In large part that is why Bacon was resistant in accepting heliocentricity, but that is another matter.

 

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Hello there RoyalCraftiness, thanks for the response.

 

"One must go forth from 1,2 and 3." ?

Where/what the heck are they? and why must one go there?

"The fourth T is concealed in the T.T. "

Fourth T?  I see only two at the foot of the page,  how concealed?

"when that is taken to be in reference to the Triple Tau."

What is it that is taken to be in reference? What is the "Triple Tau"? please throw some lux on this.

"One ought to also go forth and try and figure out what that means. " Why not explain it?

"In the symbolic emblem of the Triple Tau each Tau has it's orientation. This evokes the spatial idea of the cardinal points with and the importance of the tetrad in the material world (something we can also take to be an eclipse cycle of 4 consecutive total eclipses, because that is also what a tetrad refers to). Tetrads were known to exist from very early times. The idea is extended to the tetragrammaton in how to represent God's name. In the case of the one we keep being presented with, it is the fist occurrence of it in the Old Testament from Genesis 2-4 where the heavens and the Earth are created. " 

 

Why do I feel that I'm on my way to the distant stars?  All I said was "T T is absolutely linked with the number of lines in the dedication: 13,   or  THIRTEEN "

"Whoever wrote the Sonnets was highly taken by the apparent mathematical and harmonic beauty of the arrangement.  In large part that is why Bacon was resistant in accepting heliocentricity, but that is another matter. "

I can find nothing much to suggest Bacon was a mathematician, (or poet for that matter) certainly not on a par with Dee.  It may well be that one person wrote the poetry and another worked on the maths.

 

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10 hours ago, peethagoras said:

Hello there RoyalCraftiness, thanks for the response.

 

"One must go forth from 1,2 and 3." ?

Where/what the heck are they? and why must one go there?

"The fourth T is concealed in the T.T. "

Fourth T?  I see only two at the foot of the page,  how concealed?

"when that is taken to be in reference to the Triple Tau."

What is it that is taken to be in reference? What is the "Triple Tau"? please throw some lux on this.

"One ought to also go forth and try and figure out what that means. " Why not explain it?

"In the symbolic emblem of the Triple Tau each Tau has it's orientation. This evokes the spatial idea of the cardinal points with and the importance of the tetrad in the material world (something we can also take to be an eclipse cycle of 4 consecutive total eclipses, because that is also what a tetrad refers to). Tetrads were known to exist from very early times. The idea is extended to the tetragrammaton in how to represent God's name. In the case of the one we keep being presented with, it is the fist occurrence of it in the Old Testament from Genesis 2-4 where the heavens and the Earth are created. " 

 

Why do I feel that I'm on my way to the distant stars?  All I said was "T T is absolutely linked with the number of lines in the dedication: 13,   or  THIRTEEN "

"Whoever wrote the Sonnets was highly taken by the apparent mathematical and harmonic beauty of the arrangement.  In large part that is why Bacon was resistant in accepting heliocentricity, but that is another matter. "

I can find nothing much to suggest Bacon was a mathematician, (or poet for that matter) certainly not on a par with Dee.  It may well be that one person wrote the poetry and another worked on the maths.

 

From the time of Plato until the modern age of science a person's Liberal Arts education would have been rooted in the Trivium and the Quadrivium (Arithmetic, Geometry, music and astronomy). Quadrivium - Wikipedia. You can rest assured that Bacon was well equipped in these areas if you had any doubts.

Last time I looked 4x13 was 52. 13 comes naturally out of the fact we have settled on 4 seasons and 52 weeks in a year.  You' ll find that this is true of cards and suits in a deck of cards which follow in the same fashion.  In music it takes 13 frequencies to express 12 musical intervals. I can go on if you want more.  

As far as the stars go, cosmology was dominated by the work of Claudius Ptolemy for over a thousand years. His "Almalgest" meaning "The Magesti" was also called "Syntaxis Mathematica" in Latin. As it happens the work is in 13 volumes. Bacon's understanding of cosmology is not much different than Ptolemy's was. In fact, it is just as geometrically based as it ever was.

Theology, not to be left out, had to also incorporate 13 into its stories to reflect the fact there were 13 stops in a 26000 year precession cycle made up of 12 astrological ages. The thirteen are accounted for by a unit of 12 apostles and 1 teacher, a herald, in the Christian stories. Christ was the herald of the age Pisces which began at the start of the common era. Part of his role was to define the Philosophy of the age, and that was to reflect the stoicism prevalent with the Alexandrian writers of the day.

The story of number is the story of 1,2,3 and 4 from when they were mere mere dots and place holders. They account for the decad of Antiquity.  It all started with a dot, in the same way Euclidian geometry did. The Roman era Hermetic knowledge symbolized itself by the sign of 4. Life and death, birth and rebirth and life and afterlife can and were symbolized by TT and TTTT and their equivalent 20 and 40. 40, especially, is the symbolic number most associated with a time period of transformation in the Bible. There is no one symbolism to account for all that T can mean, but you can work it back to basic ideas in the Proto Indo European group's cultures.  The Twins are the male children of the Sky father. One must kill the other for the world to be created. This led to the idea than one life must be ended for another to arise. We must all be symbolically die and be born into better people. The twin Tees happen to be the root of the word "twenty" in English.  T was ten when that was settled on. Tee can be Tau if you want. The twin Taus can be seen as Saint Anthony and Saint Paul, and they were. T.T. was how the very influential Jacob Boehme sometimes signed his work. That had a meaning of Teutonic Theosopher. Would you have guessed that? It always takes some context clues to refine our suggestions.

Anyone who will show up and claim to have discovered one meaning for TT when he encounters it is not understanding of the possibilities. Symbols, or occasions of them,  don't work that way. We don't happen to know that there is any added symbolism riding with the T.T., but there are good reasons to suspect it because it reappears elsewhere often enough. A symbol does not map back to one meaning if we do start off thinking we need to consider one. It makes them rather flexible things. This also makes them exploitable to induce wonder and mystery if we dare to see one and think there is only one meaning to discover. If you poke around long enough you will get a real sense of what "wisdom of the ancients" is riding with the stories you are presented with in Bacon's use of symbols.

Since words are made up of symbols and are themselves symbolic we are going to be dealing in layers of intent when using them. A very old way of dealing with word creation was to make the letters in words sum up to values desired, meaning the point of a word was to carry a symbolism based in arithmetic. Humans have what is called "symbolic culture". We deal with symbols all the time to express the language of our minds. It is very hard for me to tell you how I am thinking unless I can relay a bunch of symbols to you which you can use your decoding abilities to produce a likeness of the thinking in your brain with. It is fraught with danger even when we have a large vocabulary. We are never as clear as when we use numbers if you ask me.

Bacon, by some accounts wasn't much of a poet, but he did try his hand at it (examples of his poetry exist that are nothing like Shakespeare). Some here have convinced themselves he had an alter ego, one of many,  that was the greatest of poets. I don't dabble in that suggestion much.  I like to consider Bacon in terms of Plato, Thales of Miletus, Pythagoras, Euclid--much more in empirical terms. He is more about those men than he is about Dee or Paracelsus, but he has no choice but to come out of the alchemical tradition. Bacon is a proto scientist in terms of what we call modern science. I think you will find that he gets called a polymath by a lot of people. His contributions are philosophical and in the are of statesmanship. That he has inherited from men like Plato. The height of al this science is to manage men and to organize the accumulation of knowledge to make it useful to all.

 

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Here’s a bit more to add to the above for you Peethagoras.

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The T - Tau - means mark and RC’s earlier ref to the cardinal signs alludes to the fact that the ‘mark’ the Sun makes is a T. This is because, if you stand facing South, the stem of the T points in that direction and the crossing at the top points to your left and right; East and West. 
 

The shape of Man with his arms outstretched mirrors the T. This is why crosses are such a ubiquitous religious symbol. Nothing to do with Jesus! 
 

The journey of the Sun is: rise to the East, culminate South, set West but it never travels to due North hence there are only 3 points on the T.

The number three is sacred for this reason and ultimately this reason alone. Nothing to do (originally) with Father, Son and Holy Ghost. That came later. All references, as RC points out, are about Nature and universal truth. The Sun is “God”.

TT has many symbolic meanings but at source the 33 is Thirty Three ( ie Two Threes) and alludes to the duality of life. Light/dark, up/down, Male/Female, AsAbove/SoBelow, Microcosm/ Macrocosm. Everything is dual. 

Kate

PS ThirTeen (13) is sacred (amongst other reasons) due to the annual movement of the Moon.

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2 hours ago, Kate said:

Here’s a bit more to add to the above for you Peethagoras.

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All the answers you seek are in here.

The T - Tau - means mark and RC’s earlier ref to the cardinal signs alludes to the fact that the ‘mark’ the Sun makes is a T. This is because, if you stand facing South, the stem of the T points in that direction and the crossing at the top points to your left and right; East and West. 
 

The shape of Man with his arms outstretched mirrors the T. This is why crosses are such a ubiquitous religious symbol. Nothing to do with Jesus! 
 

The journey of the Sun is: rise to the East, culminate South, set West but it never travels to due North hence there are only 3 points on the T.

The number three is sacred for this reason and ultimately this reason alone. Nothing to do (originally) with Father, Son and Holy Ghost. That came later. All references, as RC points out, are about Nature and universal truth. The Sun is “God”.

TT has many symbolic meanings but at source the 33 is Thirty Three ( ie Two Threes) and alludes to the duality of life. Light/dark, up/down, Male/Female, AsAbove/SoBelow, Microcosm/ Macrocosm. Everything is dual. 

Kate

PS ThirTeen (13) is sacred (amongst other reasons) due to the annual movement of the Moon.

I second all of this. What we have as early empirical knowledge is almost all related to astronomical observation, and this is largely due to the fact that many of the Western cultures are coming out of the same group of people, nomads/travellers, who were originally star observers. The earliest religions were astronomical cults. We used our ability to anthropomorphize to craft stories.

The number of lunations in a year is more than 12. More often than not there will be 13. The moon and Sun cycles are not in phase and it takes 33 years almost exactly for them to come back in phase (for new moon to realign with new year, for example).

The Triple Tau is the emblem of the Holy Royal Arch, which some may know from Masonic references to it. You will get Christianized interpretations of the symbolism. For example, the concealed fourth T is the one which is upside down and defined by the other three. Some sources will attribute that to the cross St Peter was crucified on which he allegedly requested be upside down because he felt unworthy of dying like Christ. As is often the case, things that are not Christianized in 400AD got Christianized. A lot of this symbolism has roots in the Kabbalah which is itself a system of tying together natural observations in relationships using number which exploits patterns. In the Reformation period when the Protestant Church reestablished ties with the Jews in Europe we start to get what is called the Christianized Kabbalah appearing as more mainstream. It's especially prevalent in Germany where Jewish mysticism takes off and influences German mysticism greatly. Let's just say there's a renewed interest in the old Testament and the end Times prophecies at this time. It's a sort of return to what is predating the Church of Rome (the point of all this Reformation).

40 is the number eclipse seasons in the Ancient Metonic eclipse cycle. It is also the number of weeks in the human gestation period. This coming together of Sun and moon was seen as the main creative force. The 4th decad is the one which was associated with the Sumerian God Enki who as the "Good Lord of the Earth". He was so beloved that an evolution of him was eventually taken as the only one and true God by other groups. A thread can be woven through many aspects of this which would involve TT. There is no discounting the fact that TT may have been seen by some as a representation of pi either (irrational and infinite like phi)  We can take inspiration in many areas. 

Bacon did considerable work to consider the "wisdom of the ancients". I like to think he was actively trying to detect what was worth saving and how we could possibly know what that was with the use of reason. The alchemists were certainly fishing from the Hermetic tradition, and there was no such thing as Christian surgeons. You could not go around cutting up corpses and writing books about that...a real problem for the accumulation of knowledge.

The solar cross is a natural phenomena which predates Christianity. It's a result of diffraction (an optical phenomena). It is seen in "Sun dogs". Sun dog - Wikipedia. When we hit our heads and see stars they tend to branch off in 4 that way too. One can only imagine that the cross and the light were soon paired as symbols. And yes, the Sun was the original God. He returned to being God with the German philosopher Jacob Boehme. That would have made Christ a light being, and that was more than accommodated by that way of thinking. The Greeks saw it that way too. Chrysos is from the old root meaning emanating of golden light. You see Christ with a golden halo for a reason. 

A lot can be said about the history of number. What we have done in incorporating a meaning to numbers is truly fascinating.  It's hard to believe that we were using a base 60 system 5000 years ago because it fit so well with the number 360. It seems so counterintuitive to us, but we still have MANY relics of that in our world. 

There's also a mathematical idea behind the cross which has to do with the distribution of Pythagorean triples, but it is doubtful that the observation of this was very early. I will include it because I think it is elegant, and it shows how we can take symbols from just about anywhere. Nature conspires to give us the same reoccurring patterns. It can make it look like we were aware of things much earlier than we were.

 

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On 2/25/2023 at 9:33 AM, RoyalCraftiness said:

Bacon, by some accounts wasn't much of a poet, but he did try his hand at it (examples of his poetry exist that are nothing like Shakespeare). Some here have convinced themselves he had an alter ego, one of many,  that was the greatest of poets. I don't dabble in that suggestion much.  I like to consider Bacon in terms of Plato, Thales of Miletus, Pythagoras, Euclid--much more in empirical terms.

 

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