anyone for anagrams?

[peethagoras]

Hello everyone. I just love Bacon/Shakespeare anagrams , acrostics and cypher wrestling.

 

Here's my first humble offering to the forum:-

I noticed that the age of death according to the Stratford Shakespeare monument epitaph is given as 53.

Actually, simple arithmetic says the age should be 52. Why is this number wrong?

So, anyway,  I fooled around with  the name VVilliam Shakespeare, exactly as it is printed in the old sonnets etc.

   And I found that this anagram can be drawn out of it:     52 HAS A KEE VERULAM 33

Where :

U is derived from one of the two Vees in VV.

52 is derived from Roman LII.

33  is derived from the alphabet place-values of S and P when added together.

 

  It seems that Sonnet 52 opens with this line: So I am as the rich whose blessed key (the only "key" in the whole sonnets book.

                 Is this by chance?

 

Thanks for looking

                    

 

 

 

 

[Light-of-Truth]

52 is the Simple cipher of WILL, so then WILL HAS A KEE VERULAM 33.

http://www.light-of-truth.com/ciphers.html

Sonnet 52 is a Key for sure! In this Sonnet Bacon speaks to we who the treasure hunters.

http://www.light-of-truth.com/pyramid-GMT.php#Sonnet052

So am I as the rich, whose blessed key,
Can bring him to his sweet up-locked treasure,
The which he will not every hour survey,
For blunting the fine point of seldom pleasure.
Therefore are feasts so solemn and so rare,
Since, seldom coming in that long year set,
Like stones of worth they thinly placed are,
Or captain jewels in the carcanet.
So is the time that keeps you as my chest,
Or as the wardrobe which the robe doth hide,
To make some special instant special-blest,
By new unfolding his imprison'd pride.
  Blessed are you whose worthiness gives scope,
  Being had, to triumph; being lacked, to hope.

103 Sonnets after Sonnet 52. SHAKESPEARE is 103 Simple cipher.

[peethagoras]

 

Hello Light-of-Truth, thank you for considering my idea.

 

Well yes, "WILL HAS A KEE......"  True, WILL has 52 but so too does Sonnet 52. And in passing I wonder if Will represents Bacon?

 

And what about the key? I reckon it's number is 38, and those two digits represent two letters C H, together ch makes Greek χ sound as in Χριστοσ, CHrist.

Greek χ being called "chi" sounded "kee".

 

I read the opening pair SO AM as a kind of semi-reversed Greek σομα: soma, body.

Why the "rich"? Do we perhaps detect another key here, I wonder?

Why is the key "blessed"?

What feast is so solemn and rare?

(do we detect perhaps another clue? "in the long year")

 

Plenty of blesseds and even a "robe"...what are we to make of these obvious hints to the New Testament?

 

And speaking of robe: line 10 word 7 hints at 17: could that number BE RO ?

 

Or perhaps not.

 

[Light-of-Truth]

Plenty of easy geometry to see. But why is nobody looking exactly where the lines cross and one guy is pointing? To me they seem, all but one, to be looking at this point:

[Light-of-Truth]

37 minutes ago, RoyalCraftiness said:

Anagrams are tricky because they don't always have one possible solution.

Even good ones! 🙂

I still put value on them as a crystal ball of letters, and they have their stories. In traffic sometimes I move letters and numbers around in my head. But at my computer I am a cheater with anagrams.

With this phrase, "Et In Arcadia Ego", I like the anagram solution of "Organic Idea Tea". And it fits perfectly for me. I can sip the tea and explore, with pleasure.  😉

But I use a website when I can:

http://www.wordsmith.org/anagram/advanced.html

I can hear Eric Roberts groaning that I am using an "AI" anagram tool that can do in milliseconds what it would take me years to come up with. LOL

Of course what you found, CJ, "A Diatonic Genera", is way beyond my quick choosing from a list of computer generated solutions. In fact, your solution based on your human intellect was not in the list the super-sophisticated AI web tool purged out. LOL

Bacon said it so well, "What is Truth?"

 

 

 

[Light-of-Truth]

9 minutes ago, RoyalCraftiness said:

You have to work center point positions to the edge of the painting and read the intervals like musical intervals.

I am so lost, but I swear I heard the image you put in!!!!

EDIT:

Love that image. Thank you!!

Another anagram just for you, "A Diatonic Agree"!

Edited January 13 by Light-of-Truth

[Light-of-Truth]

2 minutes ago, RoyalCraftiness said:

TTTT.

Someone told me just over a year ago I need to understand music. 😉

But what is happening here that has his attention? Who is that? The other two may be looking at other points, C3 and C8 maybe. But the green arrow is not pointing to a labeled spot. It must be important. It is a triangle, but I have not measured it yet. 3,4,5?

Quote

It's just another rabbit hole my friend.

Sometimes we go down one and pop up in another! 🙂

There is a labyrinth down there! It's as an intricate and confusing as it is up here. 🙂

 

[Light-of-Truth]

41 minutes ago, RoyalCraftiness said:

I'd like to cover it here, because it involves Francis Bacon, but I see not topic that would fit it.

I want to emphasize that you, or anyone who feels we need another Forum topic, speak up.

We are approaching our first year anniversary of the B'Hive soon. Lawrence and I did not know what to expect when we launched. In fact, there was a little fear and concern we would become a host of viscous Strats or Oxies and crash and burn.

We have been winging it from Day 1. I came up with topics comparing with a hugely popular weather forum I used as our model before we had any members.

I know my Sonnets work and anything specifically about the Sonnets should have its own forum.

Sacred Geometry came up and we added it. A very popular Forum.

One of my first posts was about E.B. White's "Charlottes Web". That kind of discussion is totally allowed, even if an original Baconian thought.

 

[Light-of-Truth]

"Hunting of the Snark".

https://www.britannica.com/topic/The-Hunting-of-the-Snark

The Hunting of the Snark, in full The Hunting of the Snark: An Agony in Eight Fits, nonsense poem by Lewis Carroll, first published in 1876. The fanciful eight-canto poem describes the sea voyage of a bellman, boots (bootblack), bonnet maker, barrister, broker, billiard marker, banker, beaver, baker, and butcher and their search for the elusive undefined snark. A dedicatory poem that Carroll attached to the work contained an acrostic on the name of his then-favourite child friend, Gertrude Chataway, whose name is also found in the first words of each stanza of the poem: Girt, Rude, Chat, Away. While scholars have attributed to the work hidden meanings from political subversion to existential agony, Carroll maintained that it was intended simply as nonsense.

I see a lot of B's flying around!

Acrostics, first word ciphers, hidden meanings? I am certain it was all just silly nonsense. 😉

 

 

[Kate]

Has anyone been using ChatGPT? It does some amazing things. Just wondering what new avenues it might open up for anagramming and for solving all sorts of mysteries. 

If anyone reading hasn’t tried it yet make sure you are clicking on the free OpenAI link. There are already scam artists trying to take people’s money.

https://chat.openai.com/auth/login

It tells us Shakespeare wrote Shakespeare so press the down 👎 as while they seek to improve it they are taking note of answers that get downvoted.

I’m obsessed with it. Mind blowing. If it’s all news to you then I suggest watching a short You Tube video to get a feel for what it can do. It’s not like Siri or Google. This is a whole new world! 

[Light-of-Truth]

Seems to be popular. 🙂

[peethagoras]

On 1/13/2023 at 10:26 PM, RoyalCraftiness said:

Anagrams are tricky because they don't always have one possible solution.

I'll give an example with: "Et In Arcadia Ego". After studying the thing in paintings for a very long time I satisfied myself with the suggestion of an alternate title derived by anagram : "A Diatonic Genera". The diatonic is the heptatonic scale with five whole steps and two half steps. The genera is a word for the tuning of a harp to a key, given  from Greek . The tuning of the harp gave a music that had a very well defined emotive feel to the music. The famous painting by Poussin can be geometrically worked back by the use of circles to a suggestion it is depicting the tuning in the key of F. it will show a spacing which is regular for the visualized intervals, except for one which is smaller. This smaller interval is B flat, which gives us the key of F. The quality of the key of F is a serenity inducing and calming effect. This is in contrast to the Shepherds who are contemplating the tomb which serves as a memento mori suggestion. A visual starting point for the working out of a composition for the painting starts off with:

Your remarks concerning anagrams with more than one solution makes me ask if you could offer another

Solution in the same light as mine. In other words, make a sentence from the letters vvilliam shakespeare, such that

It tells us of something in a particular sonnet, in a like manner to a key in 52.

Now that would prove interesting.

 

As for the example you offered, I see nothing there which tallies with your initial claim. But I could very easily be wrong.

 

[peethagoras]

 

Thanks for the reply.

I first referenced 52 from the age given as 53 in the stratford monument, and put 33 to a letter pair which were left over from the main anagram. Those letters were *verulam has a kee*. It seems to me that a number linked to a sonnet that is the only one which mentions a key, added to that, the name verulam, stood a fair chance of being more than coincidence through manipulations of text.

 

I often wonder just what it would take to produce accepted  proof of Baconian authorship by anagrams or acrostic ciphers.

 

What are we looking for?

[peethagoras]

Here's an anagram made from a well-known word in the Sonnets Dedication:

 

   Line one says:       "TO THE ONLIE BEGETTER OF"

the third word ONLIE is a variation of 'only'. 

I claim that the five-letter word is coded: it makes two new words: NO LIE.

There are no other anagrams which use all five letters and have valid meanings. (Combinations such as O NILE don't cut it for me).

 

The question is this: to what does NO LIE refer?

 

 

[Light-of-Truth]

23 minutes ago, peethagoras said:

The question is this: to what does NO LIE refer?

The Begetter was telling the Truth in the Sonnets. 😉

 

[RoyalCraftiness]

On 1/9/2023 at 4:58 PM, Light-of-Truth said:

52 is the Simple cipher of WILL, so then WILL HAS A KEE VERULAM 33.

http://www.light-of-truth.com/ciphers.html

Sonnet 52 is a Key for sure! In this Sonnet Bacon speaks to we who the treasure hunters.

http://www.light-of-truth.com/pyramid-GMT.php#Sonnet052

So am I as the rich, whose blessed key,
Can bring him to his sweet up-locked treasure,
The which he will not every hour survey,
For blunting the fine point of seldom pleasure.
Therefore are feasts so solemn and so rare,
Since, seldom coming in that long year set,
Like stones of worth they thinly placed are,
Or captain jewels in the carcanet.
So is the time that keeps you as my chest,
Or as the wardrobe which the robe doth hide,
To make some special instant special-blest,
By new unfolding his imprison'd pride.
  Blessed are you whose worthiness gives scope,
  Being had, to triumph; being lacked, to hope.

103 Sonnets after Sonnet 52. SHAKESPEARE is 103 Simple cipher.

Up-locked, as if locked in the celestial heavens.

every hour he will not survey--true, there are hours intended for that.

Blunting the fine point of one's compasses while not succeeding?

The solemn feasts so rarely placed in the yearly set? Like jewels...in a necklace. Easter? 

It is the time factor that conceals the treasure from your eyes, but your time will come.

The special instant is the time fulfilling the blest prophecy.

Blessed are you to put your eye on the scope which says that the tiem to triumph is ahead. Have hope!

Edited January 20 by RoyalCraftiness

[RoyalCraftiness]

3 hours ago, peethagoras said:

Here's an anagram made from a well-known word in the Sonnets Dedication:

 

   Line one says:       "TO THE ONLIE BEGETTER OF"

the third word ONLIE is a variation of 'only'. 

I claim that the five-letter word is coded: it makes two new words: NO LIE.

There are no other anagrams which use all five letters and have valid meanings. (Combinations such as O NILE don't cut it for me).

 

The question is this: to what does NO LIE refer?

 

 

Fortieth Oblong Tee Tee.

There's something to ponder if we consider the Northern Cross to be an oblong tee since it is not in traditional proportion (deviating from square in one dimension). The fortieth could be the fortieth degree of declination where we find Cygnus. Tee Tee for the T.T. signature to the mystery.

Edited January 21 by RoyalCraftiness

[peethagoras]

Here's a point: if someone uses the past tense "begat" many times, could he be considered a begetter?

 

[RoyalCraftiness]

2 hours ago, Light-of-Truth said:

The Begetter was telling the Truth in the Sonnets. 😉

 

52 has combinatorial significance.  It's the number ways to partition a set of 5 elements.

In poetry it's the number of rhyme schemes for 5 line poems. That may factor in with the iambic pentameter.

In math it's called an untouchable number. No number has proper divisors that sum to 52. (factoring numbers was a huge thing for Rosicrucians).

Geometrically speaking, it's the rounded number that corresponds to the internal angle of a perfect pyramid of half-side equal one unit in length and height equal to the square root of Phi (51.82 degrees). Its side face will be a triangle of height equal to Phi.

[Light-of-Truth]

2 hours ago, RoyalCraftiness said:

The solemn feasts so rarely placed in the yearly set?

A moment ago I posted a reply to you in another thread and was almost to add this line into the reply. I was referring to Stars that are thinly placed on a Map, like captain jewels in the carcanet.

 

[RoyalCraftiness]

Just now, Light-of-Truth said:

A moment ago I posted a reply to you in another thread and was almost to add this line into the reply. I was referring to Stars that are thinly placed on a Map, like captain jewels in the carcanet.

 

I'm digesting that right now, lol. Reply is coming.

[Light-of-Truth]

36 minutes ago, peethagoras said:

Here's a point: if someone uses the past tense "begat" many times, could he be considered a begetter?

 

Begatter? LOL

 

[Light-of-Truth]

38 minutes ago, peethagoras said:

Here's a point: if someone uses the past tense "begat" many times, could he be considered a begetter?

 

OK, who do you have in mind that "begat" many times? 🙂

 

[Light-of-Truth]

12 minutes ago, RoyalCraftiness said:

52 has combinatorial significance.  It's the number ways to partition a set of 5 elements.

In poetry it's the number of rhyme schemes for 5 line poems. That may factor in with the iambic pentameter.

In math it's called an untouchable number. No number has proper divisors that sum to 52. (factoring numbers was a huge thing for Rosicrucians).

Geometrically speaking, it's the rounded number that corresponds to the internal angle of a perfect pyramid of half-side equal one unit in length and height equal to the square root of Phi (51.82 degrees). Its side face will be a triangle of height equal to Phi.

In the Sonnets Pyramid design, 52 is a ripple in a beautiful pattern. Several ways it syncs and vibrates within the Tables.

52 is the Simple cipher of WILL.

 

[RoyalCraftiness]

18 minutes ago, Light-of-Truth said:

In the Sonnets Pyramid design, 52 is a ripple in a beautiful pattern. Several ways it syncs and vibrates within the Tables.

52 is the Simple cipher of WILL.

 

I suppose if you are using a 26 position counting scheme you are bound to get a visual from the pattern it produces. 26 is 2:1 to 52. This reminds me of modulo operations in math.