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5 minutes ago, Allisnum2er said:

...DICTIMA = FRA BACON (Simple and Kay cipher) 😃

FRA BACON is 57 Simple cipher. That number came into my mind a few nights ago when I had a high fever and my head was swimming in Bacon soup..

The night I "learned" of Bacon being born as "William Tudor", I was gazing at a Tree of Life I had drawn out with colored pencils in a trance. It was early in 2001 as I playing with numbers and ciphers.

I placed "FRANCIS" where BINA is, and "BACON" where CHOCHMA is. So I had 100 Simple cipher added up between them.

In the place of TIF'ERET I drew a Diamond. I did not write the word, I drew it. But I knew DIAMOND was 57 Simple cipher, so FRANCIS DIAMOND BACON was 157 Simple cipher.

As I gazed at the Diamond I drew adding numbers this way and that, lost in the Tree of Life in an altered state, exploring the words all around, including ROBERT (74) and FOWLER (74) at DIN and CHESED and other words that meant something to me that day, I heard a voice in my head, "Dee, I am 'on Dee." (D-I-AM-ON-D)

I'll skip the rest of the story, but I soon knew Bacon was named William. 😉

 

NOTE: The names of the circles I am getting from a quick search just now, I've never known how they should be spelled or pronounced, but know the placement and a very tiny bit about what they do.

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Thank you for sharing this first part of your story , Rob !❤️

The fact is, that the Tree of the Sephiroth was also at the very beginning of my learning 12 years ago. 

I don't remember how nor when precisely but one day I learned that words could hide numbers and that numbers could hide words, and I loved this idea.

Then, I discovered the Kaballah with the Gematria, the Temurah and the Notarikon.

For years, I wondered why I had this singular interest and what was the purpose.

And I finally had the answers  6 years ago when an Oracle inspired me a story that led me to the First Folio.

I'll skip the rest of the story because you already know it ! 🙂 

It is TIME for me to go to dream.

Warm regards.

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DIAMOND !

We all know that 'sleeping on it' can help. 😊

Few months ago I shared with you a part of the fruit (an apple 😄) of my research that led me to a message hidden by Francis Bacon that mentionned, cryptically, 3 works by Albrecht Dürer., of which "The Madonna of the Carnation".

 

Here are the 3 works in question ...

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IT'S ALL THERE !

THE SERPENT, THE VIRGIN, THE SOW, THE RAINBOW, THE BAT, THE SHOOTING (FALLING) STAR ...

... THE DIAMOND ! 😉 

https://fineartamerica.com/featured/super-shakespeare-mathew-mcfarren.html

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https://internetshakespeare.uvic.ca/Library/facsimile/book/SLNSW_F1/149/?zoom=1275

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By the way, SORE is an anagram of ROSE and EROS.

EROS (Francis Bacon) is the bastard son of Venus (Queen Elizabeth) and Mars (Robert Dudley).

https://briankoberlein.com/post/rose-of-venus/

 

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Now, let's go back to Sonnet 135 ...

(I remind you that 135+531(mirror)=666)

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I, ME, KAIN

Francis Bacon has concealed "KAIN" (33 simple cipher, 67 reverse cipher)  in the middle of the poem.

His motto was Mediocria firma (the middle way is safe).

There are 907 pages in the First Folio.

The middle way corresponds to pages 453 and 454 that are page 99 (WILL TUDOR reverse cipher)

and page 100 ( FRANCIS BACON simple cipher) of "The first part of HENRY VI"

https://internetshakespeare.uvic.ca/Library/facsimile/book/SLNSW_F1/17/index.html%3Fzoom=1275.html

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What a surprise on page 99 ! The TWINS

https://internetshakespeare.uvic.ca/Library/facsimile/book/Bran_F1/453/index.html%3fzoom=1200.html

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And I have already shared with you my take on page 100 ...

https://internetshakespeare.uvic.ca/Library/facsimile/book/Bran_F1/454/index.html%3Fzoom=1200.html

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Page 99 of "The first part of Henry VI"

THE TWINS CASTOR and POLLUX (or Hercules and Apollo)

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"Gemini", plate 18 in Urania's Mirror (Restored by Adam Cuerden)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sidney_Hall_-_Urania's_Mirror_-_Gemini.jpg

NERO IS KNOWN TO BE A PRINCE POET (We have to read between the lines).

And the number 666 is related to the magical square of the Sunne/ Sonne of which each lines and columns add to 111.

https://www.pinterest.fr/pin/the-magic-square-of-the-sun-was-one-of-the-most-important-symbols-used-to-represent-the-sun-in-antiquity-because--508625351674681855/

AND ABOUT GRACE :

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84 = ELIZABETH (Simple cipher) 🙂 

 

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What an interesting time i had reading these posts. Thanks everyone.

By the way LOT I did understand your findings, I often wonder if you store your results in a database.

Your suspicions about Bacon was of royal blood could be correct. I sometimes wonder if he was put under the care of John Dee. And much of that angelic scrying gubbins was simply a shoal of scarlet herrings, a magickal smokescreen.

I have read sonnet 135 on many occasions. But to be frank, I have very little interest in the poetic side of things, my concern has always been too seek out numerical 'coincidences'.

 

I now offer the following ideas:

Consider the first text in the First Folio: that ten line preface poem "To the Reader";

The initials that are most obvious are  T W O  H B, and it is plain to see that three of them spell the name of a number, 2.

But  in terms of line numbers, if we count down from T, we see that T is 1st,  W is 3rd and O is 5th.

              So acrostic TWO is found on lines 1 3 5.

Sonnet 135 opens with: "WHo euer hath her wish, thou hast thy Will,"

Implying a woman. 

The first initials of the sonnet are: W A M T W N S A T A S O L T

take out that WOMAN  and AT LAST we are left with  T W S

Remember we saw TWO in that First Folio preface poem:  T = 19,  less 2 = 17

                             17 =   9 + 8 =   I + H

add the remaining two: W S makes W I S H.

"WHo euer hath her wish, thou hast thy Will,"

 

In passing: the 19th letter in this sonnet is the 19th of the alphabet.

That's assuming the w's are counted as single symbols, not vv.

 

Also: line 2, word 2 is Will:

take the first 2 letters as follows:  W = VV = 5  5.  I = 1 (all Romans)

Leave the last 2 (LL) as English values: 11  11.  (2  2)

adding VVILL = 5 + 5 + 1 + 11 + 11 = 33.

                                                        Will = Bacon?

 

Note: in sonnet 135 there are 3 italic Wills  at the top (lines 1 and 2)

there are 3 italic Wills at the bottom (line 11, 12 and 14)

So we see 3 (Wills) and 3 (Wills), and we already understand that F = 6.

 

Line 14:  " Thinke   all  but one, and me in that one Will"

 

ALL = 23,   less 1 = 22.        ME = 17.        22 + 17 = 39 = F Bacon.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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15 minutes ago, peethagoras said:

Also: line 2, word 2 is Will:

take the first 2 letters as follows:  W = VV = 5  5.  I = 1 (all Romans)

Leave the last 2 (LL) as English values: 11  11.  (2  2)

adding VVILL = 5 + 5 + 1 + 11 + 11 = 33.

                                                        Will = Bacon?

Line 1899, or Line 10 of Sonnet 136 tells us, "Though in thy stores account I one must be,"

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21 hours ago, peethagoras said:

What an interesting time i had reading these posts. Thanks everyone.

By the way LOT I did understand your findings, I often wonder if you store your results in a database.

Your suspicions about Bacon was of royal blood could be correct. I sometimes wonder if he was put under the care of John Dee. And much of that angelic scrying gubbins was simply a shoal of scarlet herrings, a magickal smokescreen.

I have read sonnet 135 on many occasions. But to be frank, I have very little interest in the poetic side of things, my concern has always been too seek out numerical 'coincidences'.

 

I now offer the following ideas:

Consider the first text in the First Folio: that ten line preface poem "To the Reader";

The initials that are most obvious are  T W O  H B, and it is plain to see that three of them spell the name of a number, 2.

But  in terms of line numbers, if we count down from T, we see that T is 1st,  W is 3rd and O is 5th.

              So acrostic TWO is found on lines 1 3 5.

Sonnet 135 opens with: "WHo euer hath her wish, thou hast thy Will,"

Implying a woman. 

The first initials of the sonnet are: W A M T W N S A T A S O L T

take out that WOMAN  and AT LAST we are left with  T W S

Remember we saw TWO in that First Folio preface poem:  T = 19,  less 2 = 17

                             17 =   9 + 8 =   I + H

add the remaining two: W S makes W I S H.

"WHo euer hath her wish, thou hast thy Will,"

 

In passing: the 19th letter in this sonnet is the 19th of the alphabet.

That's assuming the w's are counted as single symbols, not vv.

 

Also: line 2, word 2 is Will:

take the first 2 letters as follows:  W = VV = 5  5.  I = 1 (all Romans)

Leave the last 2 (LL) as English values: 11  11.  (2  2)

adding VVILL = 5 + 5 + 1 + 11 + 11 = 33.

                                                        Will = Bacon?

 

Note: in sonnet 135 there are 3 italic Wills  at the top (lines 1 and 2)

there are 3 italic Wills at the bottom (line 11, 12 and 14)

So we see 3 (Wills) and 3 (Wills), and we already understand that F = 6.

 

Line 14:  " Thinke   all  but one, and me in that one Will"

 

ALL = 23,   less 1 = 22.        ME = 17.        22 + 17 = 39 = F Bacon.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Very interesting. Thank you for sharing Peethagoras.

I must admit that I am umconfortable mixing  English and Roman letters value in a same word.

But by using your idea : V(5)V(5)I(1)L(50)L(50) = 111 (Roman) = BACON = FREE (Kay cipher) 😊

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1 minute ago, Allisnum2er said:

Very interesting. Thank you for sharing Peethagoras.

I must admit that I am umconfortable mixing  English and Roman letters value in a same word.

But by using your idea : V(5)V(5)I(1)L(50)L(50) = 111 (Roman) = BACON = FREE (Kay cipher) 😊

I am laughing because this morning as I posted about Sonnet 33 in another thread, I had in my mind where our B'Hive friend Kate pointed out how the first four characters of the first line of Sonnet 33, "FVll many a glorious morning haue I seene," are "FVII"

F = 6 Simple cipher and VII is 7 Roman numerals to make 67. So the first characters of Sonnet 33 added to the 33 make 100, the Simple cipher of FRANCIS BACON. What a perfect way to start Sonnet 33!

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9 minutes ago, Light-of-Truth said:

I am laughing because this morning as I posted about Sonnet 33 in another thread, I had in my mind where our B'Hive friend Kate pointed out how the first four characters of the first line of Sonnet 33, "FVll many a glorious morning haue I seene," are "FVII"

F = 6 Simple cipher and VII is 7 Roman numerals to make 67. So the first characters of Sonnet 33 added to the 33 make 100, the Simple cipher of FRANCIS BACON. What a perfect way to start Sonnet 33!

😉

 

I'm down and out !!! 😃 OK, I can admit that L=50 in Roman numerals and the 11th letter of Roman Alphabet ! 🙂 

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34 minutes ago, Allisnum2er said:

I'm down and out !!! 😃 OK, I can admit that L=50 in Roman numerals and the 11th letter of Roman Alphabet ! 🙂 

VVILL

V = 5, V = 5, I = 1 for 11, then L = 11, and L = 11 to make 33 which is Bacon Simple cipher.

Or...

V = 5, V = 5, I = 1 for 11, and L = 50, and L = 50 to make 111 which is Bacon in Kaye cipher.

A fun syllogism:

VVILL is 33 and the Simple cipher of BACON.

VVILL is 111 and the Kaye cipher of BACON.

VVILL is BACON.

Thank you peethagoras and Allisnum2er! 🙂

 

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47 minutes ago, Light-of-Truth said:

VVILL

V = 5, V = 5, I = 1 for 11, then L = 11, and L = 11 to make 33 which is Bacon Simple cipher.

Or...

V = 5, V = 5, I = 1 for 11, and L = 50, and L = 50 to make 111 which is Bacon in Kaye cipher.

A fun syllogism:

VVILL is 33 and the Simple cipher of BACON.

VVILL is 111 and the Kaye cipher of BACON.

VVILL is BACON.

Thank you peethagoras and Allisnum2er! 🙂

 

OK, one three line syllogism needs support...

In the last line and final words of Sonnet 136 we read maybe the most important five words in all of Shakespeare regarding who wrote the works, yet the words that make many Baconians cringe while Stratfordians love to bring up, "...for my name is Will."

BACON is VVILL.

For more support that Bacon is named Will is woven into the number cipher story Bacon left. The Sonnets in a powerful way.

And nowhere else in Shakespeare's works does the author actually say what his name is in plain text. And here he says overtly, "my name is Will." Sonnet 136, the Simple cipher of BACON SHAKESPEARE.

Bacon was not Will Shakspur but the rightful heir to be King of England, Will Tudor.

This theory is in my opinion, anyway, the way I see read the story. His name is Will.

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