Sonnet 135 and Line 1881

[Allisnum2er]

9 hours ago, Light-of-Truth said:

I like it! TUDOR is 53, or SOW. WILL TUDOR is 93.

WILLIAM TUDOR is 136. "My name is 'Will".

 

Aa I was looking for words with 33 as a numerical value, I realized that with the K1 cipher :

SOLOMON =33

T.H. (TEMPLUM HIEROSOLYMAE) = 33

[Allisnum2er]

9 hours ago, Light-of-Truth said:

I wonder, did you discover it and Bacon used it? For me, it is easy for me to accept that.

Time is, and Time was. Numbers are Eternal and Infinite.

Dee had a pretty good grasp of numbers, he shared some tips with Bacon, and we are learning the basics from them both. Neither one of them discovered the numbers, but they ended up as the Masters and Teachers.

😉

 

 

 

TIME IS, TIME WAS, TIME IS PAST

Francis Bacon is "Eternal and Infinite" 😊 (Simple Truth)

[Allisnum2er]

With my discovery, I had a new number to work with : 160.

Like with the number 161, I decided to take a closer look at the pages of the First Folio related with this number

and to see if I could find something interesting related to Caïn.

And I found something interesting on the 160th page of Tragedies in ... "HAMLET" !

https://internetshakespeare.uvic.ca/Library/facsimile/book/SLNSW_F1/776/index.html%3fzoom=1275.html

Notice the differences with the same passage in the 2nd Quarto (1605) allowing to have the anagrams of KAIN and PILUM aligned.

https://internetshakespeare.uvic.ca/Library/facsimile/book/BL_Q2_Ham/53/index.html%3fzoom=750.html

It can sound a little far-fetched but I wonder if there is a link with Francis Bacon's involvement in the condemnation in 1601 of his brother,

Robert Devereux, 2nd Earl of Essex, for Rebellion. What do you think about it ?

 

[Allisnum2er]

Good evening A Phoenix,

As I don't want to "poison" your incredible thread on the Bacon-Shakespeare Manuscript,

I would like to thank you here for bringing the Leicester's Commonwealth to light ! 🙏❤️

I knew almost nothing about Robert Dudley, and did not know that he was a "poisoner".

Facing his dark side, I understand better now the existing doubts around the death of his wife Amy Robsart !

And I just realized that it could be the answer to my question regarding the meaning of "TWIN SATAN SON" that I found in acrostic in this Sonnet 135.

It makes sense ! Caïn was the son of the Serpent/Samael.

And Samael in Hebrew means ... "The poison of God" !

It could be a cryptic way to tell us that he was the son of the "poisoner", Robert Dudley.

By the way, the gematria of Samael is 131.

I let you imagine my surprise when ,during the period of my initial research, I discovered the content of the page 131 of the First Folio.

https://internetshakespeare.uvic.ca/Library/facsimile/book/SLNSW_F1/149/?zoom=850

I let you explore the content of this page in the light of this information. 😊

Thank you again !

 

[A Phoenix]

Hi Yann,

We are pleased to hear that the unspeakable crimes of Robert Dudley are now gaining wider circulation and being brought to the attention of a modern audience. Many mainstream historians and scholars have for 400 years whitewashed Dudley's reputation and presented him as something little more than a loveable rogue rather than the abominable monster that he truly was.

And now for your wonderful wizardry Yann. Without even reading anything, on looking at p. 131 of Love's Labour's Lost (a very Baconian-Shakespeare play) our eyes were immediately drawn to Cains and Fathers!

Another world first!

Great work, brilliant discovery!

 

[Light-of-Truth]

1 hour ago, Allisnum2er said:

I let you explore the content of this page in the light of this information. 😊

On a first quick glimpse, I hope I can come back and share tonight!!

Bacon, Bacon, Bacon! LOL

 

[Allisnum2er]

15 minutes ago, A Phoenix said:

Hi Yann,

We are pleased to hear that the unspeakable crimes of Robert Dudley are now gaining wider circulation and being brought to the attention of a modern audience. Many mainstream historians and scholars have for 400 years whitewashed Dudley's reputation and presented him as something little more than a loveable rogue rather than the abominable monster that he truly was.

And now for your wonderful wizardry Yann. Without even reading anything, on looking at p. 131 of Love's Labour's Lost (a very Baconian-Shakespeare play) our eyes were immediately drawn to Cains and Fathers!

Another world first!

Great work, brilliant discovery!

 

Many thanks A Phoenix.❤️

For me,  it represents all the Power, the Magic, the Need of the B'hive Community !

This is the fruit of the sharing of knowledge and of a collaborative work.

And Thank you once again to Lawrence and Rob for allowing this to happen.

Love and Joy.

 

 

[Allisnum2er]

26 minutes ago, Light-of-Truth said:

On a first quick glimpse, I hope I can come back and share tonight!!

Bacon, Bacon, Bacon! LOL

 

Hi Rob, I am looking forward to discovering your take on it ! 🙂 

[Light-of-Truth]

Yann, there is a lot going on in this page. The visual Bacon hints jump out and that is what I expected to play with tonight. Even a "hanging" Fr Bacon that I will share:

But that and the other visual hints appear to only pull one in to read the puzzling words. Once I read the page, in various ways repeatedly, I kind of lost interest in the visual trinkets. There is a lot going on here that I am barely starting to see even after a couple hours.

This is challenging me:

https://internetshakespeare.uvic.ca/doc/LLL_F1/page/10/index.html

The prayfull Princesse pearst and prickt
  a prettie pleasing Pricket,
Some say a Sore, but not a sore,
  till now made sore with shooting.
The Dogges did yell, put ell to Sore,
  then Sorell iumps from thicket:
Or Pricket-sore, or else Sorell,
  the people fall a hooting.
If Sore be sore, then ell to Sore,
  makes fiftie sores O sorell:
Of one sore I an hundred make
  by adding but one more L.

Hmm, "Of one sore I an hundred make by adding but one more L."

Sore, Sorell, but I have not found the answer yet.

Nath. This is a gift that I haue simple: simple, a foo-
lish extrauagant spirit, full of formes, figures, shapes, ob-
iects, Ideas, apprehensions, motions, reuolutions. These
are begot in the ventricle of memorie, nourisht in the
wombe of primater, and deliuered vpon the mellowing
of occasion: but the gift is good in those in whom it is
acute, and I am thankfull for it.

Is that not a clue, a hint, to be figured out?

The whole page is a riddle. Maybe it's the cough medicine I am still taking, but I am being challenged.

It's been a rough week, so I'll probably sleep on what my mind is kicking around. Maybe I'll dream of it as well. 🙂

"This is a gift that I haue simple: simple, a foo-lish extrauagant spirit, full of formes, figures, shapes, ob-iects, Ideas, apprehensions, motions, reuolutions."

 

 

 

 

Edited December 17, 2022 by Light-of-Truth

[Allisnum2er]

9 hours ago, Light-of-Truth said:

The whole page is a riddle. Maybe it's the cough medicine I am still taking, but I am being challenged.

It's been a rough week, so I'll probably sleep on what my mind is kicking around. Maybe I'll dream of it as well. 🙂

"This is a gift that I haue simple: simple, a foo-lish extrauagant spirit, full of formes, figures, shapes, ob-iects, Ideas, apprehensions, motions, reuolutions."

Hi Rob, I totally agree with you ! Indeed, the whole page is a riddle, alas while I found some interesting things, I have not deciphered it completely.

Note that the poem is on page 33 of the 1st Quarto of Love's Labour's Lost (1598)

https://internetshakespeare.uvic.ca/Library/facsimile/book/BL_Q1_LLL/33/index.html%3Fzoom=750.html

If we count "Pricket-sore" as two words, there are 74 words in total

74 = WILLIAM = TUDOR (Simple cipher)

"Of one sore I an hundred make by adding but one more L."

Hundred = 100 = FRANCIS BACON (Simple cipher)

102 = ONE HUNDRED TWO = FRA ROSI CROSSE = WILLIAM TUDOR I (Thank you again Rob 🙂 )

With "fiftie sores" it gives us 102 +50 = 152.

And 152 is the gematria (Hebrew numerical value) of  naqab  נָקַב meaning ... to prick !

https://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/hebrew/nas/naqab.html

By the way, using the position of the words "Sore" (and not sore 🙂 ) ...

14+32+50+56 = 152

naqab also means" to curse, to marke."

It is a reference to the Mark of Caïn !

https://internetshakespeare.uvic.ca/Library/facsimile/book/SLNSW_F1/149/?zoom=850

In fact, Francis BAcon plays with the different meanings of naqab, prick, and sore.

And as if by chance, naqab נָקַב is composed of3  letters : Nun Qoph Beth

This is an anagram (see Temurah) of Beth Qoph Nun of which one of the transliteration could be, I think, ...

BaQoN

 

[Allisnum2er]

https://internetshakespeare.uvic.ca/Library/facsimile/book/SLNSW_F1/149/?zoom=850

This passage was for me a confirmation of the discoveries that I had made thanks to the number 161.

"a foolish extravagant spirit, full of forms, figures, shapes, objects, Ideas, apprehensions, motions, revolutions"

Here is something that works with the Play in the First Folio(1623) and not  with the Play in Quarto (1598)

I think that it explains the transformation of  "o sorell" (Quarto) in "O sorell"(First Folio) with a capital letter O, a small hint of Francis Bacon allowing to hide the constallation of "Serpens Caput" the "head of the serpent" on page 131 (gematria of Samael, the "Poison of God", the Serpent).

[Allisnum2er]

Regarding the Poem ...

I think that a clue was given in a Book published for the first time in 1606 : The Returne from Pernassus.

https://archive.org/details/returnfromparnas00ameruoft/page/n65/mode/2up?view=theater

We learned that a Buck ...

... the 1st yeare is a Fawne, the 2nd yeare a Pricket, the 3rd yeare a Sorell, the 4th yeare a Soare"

Let's use these numbers !

In the poem, there are:

1 "Pricket" 2 "Sorell" 1 "sorell" 4 "Sore" 6 "sore(s)"

(2x2) + (2x3) + (1x3) + (4x4) + (6x4) = 53

53 = SWAN = POET = SOW (simple cipher)

53 = TUDOR ( K1 cipher)

Now, Let's take in count only the word beginning with a capital letter :

(2x2) + (2x3) + (4x4) = 26

26 = F BACO (Simple cipher)

26 # B.F.

[Light-of-Truth]

Funny, I had to look up "Pricket", "Sorell" and so on.

For me Sorells is a weatherproof snow boot I wore in the mountains in Colorado in the 80's and 90's all winter.

American "English" is not the same as UK "English". 😉

So I discovered the various names of male and female deer. But "Deare" for us is not the same as "deer'. So the mystery is still mysterious. LOL

"The Returne from Pernassus" from 1606 clears it up even more, but doesn't take away from the double meanings.

The page begins with...

Rosa.

Thou canst not hit it, hit it, hit it,
Thou canst not hit it my good man.

Boy. I cannot, cannot, cannot:
And I cannot, another can.

I need help from someone who knows Latin at the bottom of the page:

   Dul. I said the Deare was not a haud credo, 'twas a
Pricket.
   Hol. Twice sod simplicitie, bis coctus, O thou mon-
ster Ignorance, how deformed doost thou looke.
   Nath. Sir hee hath neuer fed of the dainties that are
        bred in a booke.
He hath not eate paper as it were:
He hath not drunke inke.

The "drunke inke" is the last line of the first column of the page.

As an old hippie Dead Head, I've eaten a lot of paper in my life, even drank my share of ink. LOL

But does this refer to the poison? Back to the topic of this thread.

 

 

[Light-of-Truth]

In the right column of page 131 there are 111 words of speech before the italic "Cains".

https://internetshakespeare.uvic.ca/Library/facsimile/book/SLNSW_F1/149/?zoom=850

https://internetshakespeare.uvic.ca/doc/LLL_F1/page/10/index.html

What does "Dictisima " mean? Looking it up on Google only these lines in Shakespeare come up on a quick search.

DICTISIMA is 84 Simple, 141 Reverse, and 240 Kaye ciphers, the same as ELIZABETH.

What is going on here:

Hol. Dictisima goodman Dull, dictisima goodman
Dull.
       Dul. What is dictima?
       Nath. A title to Phebe, to Luna, to the Moone.
       Hol. The Moone was a month old when Adam was
no more.
And wrought not to fiue-weekes when he came to fiue-(score.
Th'allusion holds in the Exchange.
Dul. 'Tis true indeede, the Collusion holds in the
Exchange.
Hol. God comfort thy capacity, I say th'allusion holds
in the Exchange.
Dul. And I say the polusion holds in the Exchange:
for the Moone is neuer but a month old: and I say be-
side that, 'twas a Pricket that the Princesse kill'd.
Hol. Sir Nathaniel, will you heare an extemporall
Epytaph on the death of the Deare, and to humour
the ignorant call'd the Deare, the Princesse kill'd a
Pricket.

What a fun "Exchange"! Not that I yet understand it all.

"Collusion", "the'allusion", and "polusion". Ultimately the "Princesse kill'd a Pricket."

Elizabeth was older than five weeks when Bacon was born, but that is not how we should read it.

Yann from a while back:

I'm not coming to any conclusions, only playing in the Exchange for now...

Dul. What is dictima?
       Nath. A title to Phebe, to Luna, to the Moone.

 

[Light-of-Truth]

SIDE NOTE:

In Love's Labor's Lost on page 131 we see:

"Phebe" right?

I'm horrified!! One of my favorite tools failed me! I did a search to see where Shakespeare uses "Phebe" and LLL (33 Simple cipher) did not come up!!!!!!! Yikes!

After all these years, close to 20 or so using RhymeZone I didn't realize they only index modern spelling!! OMG! How many clues I may have missed!!

"Phoebe" >

https://www.rhymezone.com/r/ss.cgi?q=Phoebe&mode=k

What a SHOCK!

[Light-of-Truth]

8 hours ago, Allisnum2er said:

53 = TUDOR ( K1 cipher)

I went back in this thread to refresh myself with the K1 cipher:

SORE is 42 K1 cipher, add an L and you get 44 K1 cipher.

A few days ago I asked about 44 as I knew I forgot some clues. Yann reminded me what we've kicked around here.

"I perfectly know what represents the number 44 for me...  this is the Child ( yeled in Hebrew = 44) with the Blood ( dam in hebrew = 44) of the Phoenix (Chol in hebrew =44) And you also have REX in latin (King) = 44 and LIBER (FREE)=44 ( Italic God of wine  equivalent of the God Bacchus/ Bacco ) 😉 "

 

[Allisnum2er]

Awesome ! Thank you so much  Rob !

Once again, you hit the nail right on the head with DICTISIMA = ELIZABETH 🙏❤️

DICTISIMA is clearly used on purpose by Francis Bacon to hide is mother.

In fact, both Dictisima and Dictima are a misspelling.

The right spelling/word is Dictynna that is another name of Britomartis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britomartis

"According to Solinus, the name 'Britomartis' is from a Cretan dialect; he also says that her name means virgo dulcis, or "sweet virgin".

Solinus also identifies her explicitly as the Cretan Artemis"

"Britomart figures in Edmund Spenser's knightly epic The Faerie Queene, where she is an allegorical figure of the virgin Knight of Chastity, representing English virtue—in particular, English military power—through a folk etymology that associated Brit-, as in Briton, with Martis, here thought of as "of Mars", the Roman war god. In Spenser's allegory, Britomart connotes the Virgin Queen, Elizabeth I of England."

Wikipedia

Wa can connect this passage of Love's Labor 's Lost with the Pregnancy Portrait of Queen Elizabeth.

I invite to read/watch the great work of A Phoenix on the subject :

https://aphoenix1.academia.edu/research#papers

"The Pregnancy Portrait of Queen Elizabeth I and The Secret Royal Birth of Francis Bacon, Concealed Author of the Shakespeare Works" 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFSxRYGxgjk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWpuy13KHiA

 

Francis Bacon left us another clue ...

https://internetshakespeare.uvic.ca/Library/facsimile/book/SLNSW_F1/149/?zoom=1275

"The epythites are sweetly varied"

Dictynna is one of "the epythithes" of Phebe/Moon/luna.

But there is another important epythithe of Luna that fit perfectly with this passage ...

LUNA LUCIFERA

https://www.theoi.com/Titan/Selene.html

Cicero, De Natura Deorum 2. 27 (trans. Rackham) (Roman rhetorician C1st B.C.) :

"The name Apollo is Greek; they say that he is the Sun, and Diana [Artemis] they identify with the Moon . . . the name Luna is derived from lucere 'to shine'; for it is the same word as Lucina [Eileithyia], and therefore in our country Juno Lucina is invoked in childbirth, as is Diana in her manifestation as Lucifera (the Light-Bringer) among the Greeks. She is also called Diana Omnivaga (wide-wandering), not from her hunting, but because she is counted as one of the seven planets or ‘wanderers’ (vagary). She was called Diana because she made a sort of Day (Dia) in the night-time. She is invoked to assist at the birth of children, because the period of gestation is either occasionally seven, or more usually nine, lunar revolutions, and these are called menses (months), because they cover measured (mensa) spaces."

Edited December 17, 2022 by Allisnum2er

[Light-of-Truth]

Yann, it is such an honor to be in your presence!

[Allisnum2er]

https://internetshakespeare.uvic.ca/Library/facsimile/book/SLNSW_F1/149/?zoom=1275

Regarding this passage, here is something that should help you ...

https://www.elenalouiserichmond.com/2012/08/loves-labors-lost/#:~:text=Haud credo is Latin for,reference is to a doe.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/doe

[Light-of-Truth]

Allisnum2er, Mighty Yann, enjoy the K1 cipher in the calculator.

10 minutes ago, Allisnum2er said:

. . . the name Luna is derived from lucere 'to shine'; for it is the same word as Lucina [Eileithyia], and therefore in our country Juno Lucina is invoked in childbirth, as is Diana in her manifestation as Lucifera (the Light-Bringer) among the Greeks.

http://www.light-of-truth.com/ciphers.html

 

[Allisnum2er]

3 minutes ago, Light-of-Truth said:

Yann, it is such an honor to be in your presence!

Thank you Rob ! ❤️ It is reciprocal ! Strength lies in numbers and unity !😊

[Allisnum2er]

5 minutes ago, Light-of-Truth said:

Allisnum2er, Mighty Yann, enjoy the K1 cipher in the calculator.

http://www.light-of-truth.com/ciphers.html

 

Awesome ! Many thanks Rob ! 🙏❤️❤️❤️

[Light-of-Truth]

5 minutes ago, Allisnum2er said:

Awesome ! Many thanks Rob ! 🙏❤️❤️❤️

Yann, In my opinion, you tap into something Universal. I can definitely amuse myself with my own number play and feel a connection to Bacon/Dee. But your mind is reaching a vastly larger source of Knowledge than I have on many levels. In fact, any of us.

Even if you came up with the K1 cipher recently I am confident whatever it produces matters. And it is holographic, like <--1881-->

[Allisnum2er]

Rob, by using your idea, if DICTISIMA = ELIZABETH (Simple and Kay cipher), DICTIMA = FRA BACON (Simple and Kay cipher) 😃

[Allisnum2er]

Rob, just before to go to bed, playing with your Christmas gift (Thank you again 🙏) ...