Sonnet 135 and Line 1881

[Light-of-Truth]

I am just going to touch on Sonnet 135 tonight. My wish was to spend a few days writing a detailed analysis on this and the other "Will" Sonnets, but work and life leaves me an hour or two this evening at best. I'm hoping to share some thoughts about Sonnet 136 soon, of course.

Below is a capture of the 1609 edition of Sonnet 135:

The color is mine using Photoshop.

"Will", and "will", is a theme in these Sonnets. Anyone who knows me very well, knows I believe Francis Bacon was born as William Tudor. The Sonnets tell the story, but it comes up throughout the Shakespeare works.

Even though Bacon was born as William Tudor, the son of Queen Elizabeth being the fruit of her "Will", he lived as his Mother's son "but one hour".

I don't have time to explain the overt messages in Sonnet 135 right now. My purpose is to mention Line 1881 of the Sonnets. In my cipher work I've seen the number 1881 come up enough times in similar themes that I have learned to pay attention to it. One idea is that it is a Janus type number, connecting past and future. It definitely has to do with "Time" in my opinion. I've even wondered if the number 1881 is a tool for time travel, in some way. Yea, I know, but I can't change what I have seen. LOL

Line 1881 of the Sonnets is Line 6 of Sonnet 135:

http://www.light-of-truth.com/pyramid-GMT.php#Sonnet135

The entire 188x Line series is in Sonnet 135; Lines 1880 through 1889 occurring in November 14 and 15, or 11/14 and 11/15 (in US format with mm/dd) which is significant in its way.

http://www.light-of-truth.com/pyramid-GMT.php#cipherSonnet135

Add up the Simple cipher of the first letters of the 14 lines of Sonnet 135 and you have 188. 188 is also the Kaye cipher of ETERNITY.

So imagine my confusion when I first looked at Line 1881 of the Sonnets totally expecting I'd find some kind of 1881 clue. I did see a clue, but it is the very beginning of the next Line. Line 1882 begins with the word "Shall".

I've mentioned often how Bacon (Shakespeare), especially in the Sonnets, appears to like to use the "sha" combinations in certain areas where it matters. Why?

S = 18, H = 8, A = 1, so we have 18 8 1, or 1881. If I had time I could demonstrate, starting with Sonnet 18, the most "Eternal" of all Sonnets.

OK, did I see "Sha" which is 1881 on the wrong line? Did Bacon make a mistake in counting the Lines? (Hardly.)

It took a while, some days I am sure, for me to start to understand what was happening with Line 1881 and "Shall" beginning the next line. Once I "saw the Light", so to speak, I realized I had been seeing the same thing happening in other places. Basically, 1881 does not have to be a stand-alone number and sometimes it is connected to another 1881. It can be 1881-1881, 188101881, or my favorite number palindrome, 18811011881. To me in my mind, they all have time travel characteristic. Not our bodies, just "thought" past and future.

So are these two lines connected, or is it my imagination which is very possible?

I want to share one of the most curious coincidences I have stumbled on in the Sonnets:

Line 1881:

Not once vouchsafe to hide my will in thine,

398 Simple, 477 Reverse, and 814 Kaye ciphers.

Line 1882:

Shall will in others seeme right gracious,

 

398 Simple, 477 Reverse, and 814 Kaye ciphers.

I will say as a fact I have not come across any other two consecutive lines where three cipher numbers match. And these two connect at a point where 1881 and 1881 meet.

Oh these "Will" Sonnets give me tingles!

 

Edited November 14, 2022 by Light-of-Truth

[Eric Roberts]

38 minutes ago, Light-of-Truth said:

I am just going to touch on Sonnet 135 tonight. My wish was to spend a few days writing a detailed analysis on this and the other "Will" Sonnets, but work and life leaves me an hour or two this evening at best. I'm hoping to share some thoughts about Sonnet 136 soon, of course.

Below is a capture of the 1609 edition of Sonnet 135:

The color is mine using Photoshop.

"Will", and "will", is a theme in these Sonnets. Anyone who knows me very well, knows I believe Francis Bacon was born as William Tudor. The Sonnets tell the story, but it comes up throughout the Shakespeare works.

Even though Bacon was born as William Tudor, the son of Queen Elizabeth being the fruit of her "Will", he lived as his Mother's son "but one hour".

I don't have time to explain the overt messages in Sonnet 135 right now. My purpose is to mention Line 1881 of the Sonnets. In my cipher work I've seen the number 1881 come up enough times in similar themes that I have learned to pay attention to it. One idea is that it is a Janus type number, connecting past and future. It definitely has to do with "Time" in my opinion. I've even wondered if the number 1881 is a tool for time travel, in some way. Yea, I know, but I can't change what I have seen. LOL

Line 1881 of the Sonnets is Line 6 of Sonnet 135:

http://www.light-of-truth.com/pyramid-GMT.php#Sonnet135

The entire 188x Line series is in Sonnet 135; Lines 1880 through 1889 occurring in November 14 and 15, or 11/14 and 11/15 (in US format with mm/dd) which is significant in its way.

http://www.light-of-truth.com/pyramid-GMT.php#cipherSonnet135

Add up the Simple cipher of the first letters of the 14 lines of Sonnet 135 and you have 188. 188 is also the Kaye cipher of ETERNITY.

So imagine my confusion when I first looked at Line 1881 of the Sonnets totally expecting I'd find some kind of 1881 clue. I did see a clue, but it is the very beginning of the next Line. Line 1882 begins with the word "Shall".

I've mentioned often how Bacon (Shakespeare), especially in the Sonnets, appears to like to use the "sha" combinations in certain areas where it matters. Why?

S = 18, H = 8, A = 1, so we have 18 8 1, or 1881. If I had time I could demonstrate, starting with Sonnet 18, the most "Eternal" of all Sonnets.

OK, did I see "Sha" which is 1881 on the wrong line? Did Bacon make a mistake in counting the Lines? (Hardly.)

It took a while, some days I am sure, for me to start to understand what was happening with Line 1881 and "Shall" beginning the next line. Once I "saw the Light", so to speak, I realized I had been seeing the same thing happening in other places. Basically, 1881 does not have to be a stand-alone number and sometimes it is connected to another 1881. It can be 1881-1881, 188101881, or my favorite number palindrome, 18811011881. To me in my mind, they all have time travel characteristic. Not our bodies, just "thought" past and future.

So are these two lines connected, or is it my imagination which is very possible?

I want to share one of the most curious coincidences I have stumbled on in the Sonnets:

Line 1881:

Not once vouchsafe to hide my will in thine,

398 Simple, 477 Reverse, and 814 Kaye ciphers.

Line 1882:

Shall will in others seeme right gracious,

 

398 Simple, 477 Reverse, and 814 Kaye ciphers.

I will say as a fact I have not come across any other two consecutive lines where three cipher numbers match. And these two connect at a point where 1881 and 1881 meet.

Oh these "Will" Sonnets give me tingles!

 

I didn't understand one word of the poem or your explication of its numerical significance. Call me Dumbo. Amazing how your mind works though, as if you come from Planet Verulam. Mighty impressive. 🙂

Edited November 15, 2022 by Eric Roberts

[Light-of-Truth]

Planet Verulam, I like it.

"Hello, my name is Rob, I am from Planet Verulam. Would you like a piece of Sir Francis Bacon Peanut Brittle and a glass of Champagne? Then we can discuss the number 1881 and travel back in time, or into the future."

[Allisnum2er]

Hi everyone,

I "will" have to take a break because of severe headaches since several days.😟

But I just wanted to share with you something amazing that I found few days ago in Sonnet 135.

I will try, in the next weeks, to make a video in the style of the one for "Jos. Sylvester", that will reveal all what I found .

Here is one of the secrets

It links this Sonnet 135 (Shakespeare's Sonnets - 1609)  to the Page 53 of HISTORIES (First Folio - 1623) !

(Based on the discoveries of Ignatius Donnelly and Petter Amundsen).

 

I had a thought for you Rob (Light-of-Truth) when the "Middle Way" (Mediocria firma) revealed to me " JOHN DEE" 😉

 

Edited November 19, 2022 by Allisnum2er

[A Phoenix]

Good Morning High Wizard of B'Hive,

A brilliant textual/cryptographic exegesis.

Yann, sorry to hear about your severe headaches-we will be thinking about you.

Sending you much love and hope that you get well soon.

Love The Phoenixes.❤️🙂👍

Edited November 19, 2022 by A Phoenix

[Light-of-Truth]

Rest up your brain, Yann. Hope you feel better soon!

 

[Light-of-Truth]

15 hours ago, Allisnum2er said:

(Based on the discoveries of Ignatius Donnelly and Petter Amundsen).

I'll offer a Two Thumbs up on that one, "I am Bacon". I like it a lot! Seen it before and loved it then!

You, Yann, put some light on something that grabbed me right away that you presented from the Brandeis University..

https://internetshakespeare.uvic.ca/Library/facsimile/book/Bran_F1/373/index.html%3fzoom=1200.html

©Brandeis University.

When I went to look at it today I went to the New South Wales copy since it seems to work faster for me, sometimes.

©State Library of New South Wales

What a difference between the two! Myself, being in the "multi-media" world, including ink, bleeding through a page is something that nowadays is not as much as a problem compared to 1623. But I was curious, looks like the opposite page has "G", "H", and "S" which will help me find the lines.

Upon on further investigation, by aligning with the Two pages, the letters are not "G, H, S", they are "G, B, S."

The "B" starts the B of Bacon that is "hanging" perfectly in line with the line on the previous page, "Bootes. Will".

 I am only starting to dig into it all, for a moment until I go to sleep soon...

"heire-apparant-Garters"?

The "iest is so forward." 😉

Yann, thank you and my wife and I are sending every prayer and vibe we know to rid you of your headaches. In my case, I take several BP meds and sleep with a CPAP. The Baconian movement needs you to be healthy. Your mind is incredible, the Special gift you have is a gift for ALL of us. Strokes are not allowed for any of us!

For you, Eric:

You said, "Rosicrucianism and Freemasonary are impregnable castles to me, but I shall persevere as an outsider filled with wonder."

You are in and an active participant in the the "Outsider" Baconian Fraternity, and "we walke inuisible". LOL

 

 

 

Edited November 20, 2022 by Light-of-Truth

[Eric Roberts]

6 hours ago, Light-of-Truth said:

I'll offer a Two Thumbs up on that one, "I am Bacon". I like it a lot! Seen it before and loved it then!

You, Yann, put some light on something that grabbed me right away that you presented from the Brandeis University..

https://internetshakespeare.uvic.ca/Library/facsimile/book/Bran_F1/373/index.html%3fzoom=1200.html

©Brandeis University.

When I went to look at it today I went to the New South Wales copy since it seems to work faster for me, sometimes.

©State Library of New South Wales

What a difference between the two! Myself, being in the "multi-media" world, including ink, bleeding through a page is something that nowadays is not as much as a problem compared to 1623. But I was curious, looks like the opposite page has "G", "H", and "S" which will help me find the lines.

Upon on further investigation, by aligning with the Two pages, the letters are not "G, H, S", they are "G, B, S."

The "B" starts the B of Bacon that is "hanging" perfectly in line with the line on the previous page, "Bootes. Will".

 I am only starting to dig into it all, for a moment until I go to sleep soon...

"heire-apparant-Garters"?

The "iest is so forward." 😉

Yann, thank you and my wife and I are sending every prayer and vibe we know to rid you of your headaches. In my case, I take several BP meds and sleep with a CPAP. The Baconian movement needs you to be healthy. Your mind is incredible, the Special gift you have is a gift for ALL of us. Strokes are not allowed for any of us!

For you, Eric:

You said, "Rosicrucianism and Freemasonary are impregnable castles to me, but I shall persevere as an outsider filled with wonder."

You are in and an active participant in the the "Outsider" Baconian Fraternity, and "we walke inuisible". LOL

 

 

 

 

"cocksure": "early 16th century: from archaic cock (a euphemism for God) + sure; later associated with cock1." Thanks L-of-T. I appreciate your encouragement!

Also, would just like to add my best wishes to Yann for a speedy recovery.

 

Edited November 20, 2022 by Eric Roberts

[A Phoenix]

Hi Eric,

I second eveything you said about Yann and his incredible mind and learning and also a big thank you for all your important contributions to B'Hive and Baconian scholarship-it is very much appreciated. We Baconians all need to stay well and healthy! 

Sending you and Michelle much love and happiness.

[Eric Roberts]

34 minutes ago, A Phoenix said:

Hi Eric,

I second eveything you said about Yann and his incredible mind and learning and also a big thank you for all your important contributions to B'Hive and Baconian scholarship-it is very much appreciated. We Baconians all need to stay well and healthy! 

Sending you and Michelle much love and happiness.

Very much appreciated, my Phoenix friends. What's so good about the B'Hive is that we're doing this as much for each other as for ourselves. Though small, it's the ideal online academy where allowances are made (without words or "rules") for anyone who wishes to contribute, whatever stage of development they may have reached. There are strong individuals among us, but no overbearing egos who insist on being right. Plus I always marvel at what a great web designer Light-of-Truth is, and how kind Lawrence is to host all our discussions and information exchanges for free. Unlike Oxfraud.com, there is no nastiness or vitriol on sir bacon.org - even with regards to "the great unknown", as someone recently referred to Will Shaxper as. 

[Allisnum2er]

A quick message to say thank you ! 🙏❤️

And ... Great finding Rob ! 😊

Kind regards.

[Allisnum2er]

Hi everyone,

As promised here is a short video about the Sonnet 135.

This is a mix between my last findings, ideas and interpretations, opened to conjecture.

I hope you will enjoy it.

 

 

 

 

[Light-of-Truth]

You tend to blow my mind with your skill to "see" and also to connect what you "know."

Ever impressed!!! Love it!

You are aware these few Sonnets are very familiar territory for me, and still you shared things I had not seen yet even after so many years, plus your expanse of wisdom on other connections I have little awareness of.

Bravo, Mighty Yann! 🙂

 

[Eric Roberts]

8 hours ago, Allisnum2er said:

Hi everyone,

As promised here is a short video about the Sonnet 135.

This is a mix between my last findings, ideas and interpretations, opened to conjecture.

I hope you will enjoy it.

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Yann. If I were a film critic I would use words and phrases like: beautiful, enlightening, subtle, perfectly paced, artful. The music you chose is so wistful and delicate. I only have one small quibble. At about 2:00 you say that the Ancient Greek word strauros translates as cross. It has been argued (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stauros) that both srauros and crux originally meant a stake or pole. I don't pretend to understand all your insights into Sonnet 135, nevertheless it is a masterful demonstration of decipherment.

Edited December 7, 2022 by Eric Roberts

[Allisnum2er]

10 hours ago, Light-of-Truth said:

You tend to blow my mind with your skill to "see" and also to connect what you "know."

Ever impressed!!! Love it!

You are aware these few Sonnets are very familiar territory for me, and still you shared things I had not seen yet even after so many years, plus your expanse of wisdom on other connections I have little awareness of.

Bravo, Mighty Yann! 🙂

 

Thank you very much Rob ! 🙏❤️ Indeed, I am fully aware that these Sonnets are very familiar territory for you, and I must admit that I am looking forward to discovering ,the 14 nov. 2023, your take on line 1880 😉.

The idea was to share with you new directions for reflexion. I was hesitant to share the "Kain" part, but it echoes an interesting finding that I make few years ago and that I will share with you very soon.

https://internetshakespeare.uvic.ca/Library/facsimile/book/SLNSW_F1/56/index.html%3Fzoom=850.html

[Allisnum2er]

2 hours ago, Eric Roberts said:

 

Hi Yann. If I were a film critic I would use words and phrases like: beautiful, enlightening, subtle, perfectly paced, artful. The music you chose is so wistful and delicate. I only have one small quibble. At about 2:00 you say that the Ancient Greek word strauros translates as cross. It has been argued (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stauros) that both srauros and crux originally meant a stake or pole. I don't pretend to understand all your insights into Sonnet 135, nevertheless it is a masterful demonstration of decipherment.

Many Thanks Eric for your very kind words about the aestheticism and the content of my video ! 🙏❤️ And thank you for Chris Collins, the Composer of this" wistful and delicate" music.

Regarding your "small quibble", I am fully aware of this debate, but for me this is a "modern" debate that did not exist in the 17th century.😊

In the King James Bible (1611), edited under the supervision of the Great One, Stauros was translated as "cross", not as "stake" !

And for the Rosicrucians, Rhodon was the Rose and Stauros was undoubtly the Cross.

Speculum Sophicum Rhodostauroticum  published in 1618 by the pseudonymous "Theophilus Schweighardt Constantiens" is translated as "The Mirror of the Wisdom of the Rosy Cross" and not "The Mirror of the Wisdom of the Rosy Stake/Pole" ! 😉

If you are interested in , here is a link to "The Fortunate Isles, and their Union" by Ben Jonson.

https://archive.org/details/workesofbenjamin00jons/page/n387/mode/2up?ref=ol&view=theater

And here is an enlightning post about the Cross/Strake debate.

https://www.followintruth.com/cross-v-stake-short-version

Thank you again ! ❤️

 

 

 

[A Phoenix]

Hi Yann,

Maestro and Wizard of B’Hive – what a fantastic presentation. You are probably the only Baconian in the world who can make these sort of subtle, intricate and complex connections. We just love watching you unravel all of these secrets which have been latent for centuries before you came along to finally reveal them to the rest of us. Great work as ever Yann!❤️❤️  

[Eric Roberts]

3 hours ago, Allisnum2er said:

Many Thanks Eric for your very kind words about the aestheticism and the content of my video ! 🙏❤️ And thank you for Chris Collins, the Composer of this" wistful and delicate" music.

Regarding your "small quibble", I am fully aware of this debate, but for me this is a "modern" debate that did not exist in the 17th century.😊

In the King James Bible (1611), edited under the supervision of the Great One, Stauros was translated as "cross", not as "stake" !

And for the Rosicrucians, Rhodon was the Rose and Stauros was undoubtly the Cross.

Speculum Sophicum Rhodostauroticum  published in 1618 by the pseudonymous "Theophilus Schweighardt Constantiens" is translated as "The Mirror of the Wisdom of the Rosy Cross" and not "The Mirror of the Wisdom of the Rosy Stake/Pole" ! 😉

If you are interested in , here is a link to "The Fortunate Isles, and their Union" by Ben Jonson.

https://archive.org/details/workesofbenjamin00jons/page/n387/mode/2up?ref=ol&view=theater

And here is an enlightning post about the Cross/Strake debate.

https://www.followintruth.com/cross-v-stake-short-version

Thank you again ! ❤️

 

 

 

Yann - thank you for your insightful reply! I see your point about the KJV and Rosicrucian symbolism. I shall certainly open and study the two links you included in your reply.

[Allisnum2er]

6 hours ago, A Phoenix said:

Hi Yann,

Maestro and Wizard of B’Hive – what a fantastic presentation. You are probably the only Baconian in the world who can make these sort of subtle, intricate and complex connections. We just love watching you unravel all of these secrets which have been latent for centuries before you came along to finally reveal them to the rest of us. Great work as ever Yann!❤️❤️  

Hi A Phoenix,

I have no enough words to express my heartfelt thanks for your overwhelmingly positive feedback. ❤️❤️❤️

Thank you so much !🙏❤️

[Allisnum2er]

About Caïn,

3 years ago, as I was studying the twins, I learned that in Hebrew, Kayin קין, of which the gematria (numerical value) is 160, meant "SPEAR".

With Shake-Speare in mind, I immediatly thought that it could be an interesting way to hide the name "Shakespeare".

And there is a subtlely, a uniqueness in French ...

Caïn is a homophone of K1, which means that in French Caïn sounds exactly like K1.

It gave me a letter and a number to play with.

I decided to look what could give me what I called the K1 cipher.

I let you imagine my surprise discovering that both FRANCIS BACON, W. SHAKESPEARE and FRA ROSI CROSS added to 160, the gematria of Kayin.

And at the beginning of the year, when Rob (Light-of-Truth) shared with us his great work on WILLIAM TUDOR I and ONE HUNDRED TWO / TWO HUNDRED ONE,

I have evidently tested them with the K1 cipher, and discovered that they added to 160 too ! 😊

Edited December 7, 2022 by Allisnum2er

[Light-of-Truth]

K1 cipher?

B + A is 33.

Did you invent this K1 cipher, Yann?

Is it mentioned and known? Curious...

 

[Allisnum2er]

17 minutes ago, Light-of-Truth said:

K1 cipher?

B + A is 33.

Did you invent this K1 cipher, Yann?

Is it mentioned and known? Curious...

 

Yes, indeed, I invented it ! As I told you , the idea came to my mind because in French Caïn sounds like K=1. I used this in the 24 Elizabethan Alphabet Grid in order to see what I would obtain with this cipher. 

Edited December 7, 2022 by Allisnum2er

[Allisnum2er]

My apologies ... if Francis Bacon really used it, Francis Bacon invented it, and I just discovered it ! 😉 

[Light-of-Truth]

7 minutes ago, Allisnum2er said:

Yes, indeed ! As I told you , the idea came to my mind because in French Caïn sounds like K=1. I used this in the 24 Elizabethan Alphabet Grid in order to see what I would obtain with this cipher. 

I like it! TUDOR is 53, or SOW. WILL TUDOR is 93.

WILLIAM TUDOR is 136. "My name is 'Will".

 

[Light-of-Truth]

12 minutes ago, Allisnum2er said:

My apologies ... if Francis Bacon really used it, Francis Bacon invented it, and I just discovered it ! 😉 

I wonder, did you discover it and Bacon used it? For me, it is easy for me to accept that.

Time is, and Time was. Numbers are Eternal and Infinite.

Dee had a pretty good grasp of numbers, he shared some tips with Bacon, and we are learning the basics from them both. Neither one of them discovered the numbers, but they ended up as the Masters and Teachers.

😉