Shakespeare’s Mysterious Mr W. H.

[Kate]

This is 5-years old but just came to my attention. I have seen the very entertaining film about Oak Island featuring this guy, but not the TED talk. Obviously I prefer my video on this same subject but the Oak Island, as above, so below,  twist is intriguing!

[Light-of-Truth]

I thoroughly enjoyed that video! Peter is good. I learned a few things, and he was in my turf! The Sonnets! LOL

To me, "Mr. W. H." is "W. Mr. H." or Worshipful Master FB (H = 8, F=6 + B+2 = 8). That  puts the "H." at the center of the Six Pointed Star and as the last stop. Making H become FB, the B is the 33rd place. But that's just me.

Love how Peter emphasized Sonnet 122 and the Double T typo. He had me on the edge of my seat. And even though he didn't mention it, I know he knows the Double T is when Day 287 begins. I know he knows that. He added to it without saying anything about it. 🙂

Sonnet 122 and the Double T's are very important. Peter put a spotlight on them!

Oak Island? Yea, there appears to be a treasure legend. Bacon's treasure? I'm a Williamsburg guy, maybe only because I have visited Williamsburg since I was a kid and I like the Six Pointed Star design over William and Mary College.

Peter, if you read this, we'd certainly enjoy your presence here!! 🙂

 

[Kate]

OK, so something synchronistic is occurring here, because I came on to the forum today for the first time in weeks to post about WH, but before getting to do that I saw a notification of a reply to my post on Bacon and Astrology topic from 'Royal Craftiness'  (great wordplay for a Mason!) Now I've just seen this one of yours too and it mentions WH and something else that I was thinking about over the Xmas period - the TT.

It suddenly hit me in December that another meaning of TT besides Theta and Tau, or Thirty Three (33 = Bacon) could be Two Two (22). Especially because of the TWO acrostic in the To The Reader opening words by BI (Ben Jonson) in the FF. It could be that it is not only a cipher to invoke duality, and therefore the concept of Mercury and brothers/brotherhoods, but also the 22 of Bacon's birthday and 22 bones in the skull. Has anyone else ever put forward that idea (i.e. that TT might also be Two Two)??

Just a lightbulb moment thought.

K

Edited January 11 by Kate

[Light-of-Truth]

Your timing is awesome, Kate! 🙂

You are missed when you are away. 

[Light-of-Truth]

22 hours ago, RoyalCraftiness said:

It seems likely that Mr W.H. is pointing to YHWH

I like it! One meaning of so many, and I do like it!

For me, all alone in a desert just me and Bacon, Mr. W.H. is supposed to be W. Mr. H, or deciphered further to "Worship Master FB."

By changing H (8 Simple cipher) to FB (8 Simple cipher) makes the count of words in the Sonnets Dedication 33 instead of 32 (counting EVER-LIVING and WELL-WISHING as two words each), and the final word (H or FB) is the center of the Star.

But that's just me and Bacon sharing a cold beer in a hot dry lonely desert. LOL

Yea, OK, Ben Jonson is here and he brought the beer...

Hey, is that John Dee tending the Fire? Keeping us warm as I think the temperature is going to drop quickly after dark...

🙂

 

 

 

[Light-of-Truth]

14 minutes ago, RoyalCraftiness said:

YHWH is such a constant in the imagery of the Rosicrucians that we are likely to be encountering it if, and that's a big if, it has any bearing here.

Allisnum2er (Yann) is currently our Baconian visionary who sees YHWH when most of us are blind, and I suspect you and he can kick around ancient ideas on the fly teaching us along the way.

What very little I knew of YHWH, which is minuscule, was when I was playing with the Kabbalah (or maybe more accurate the English Cabala) 20 years ago or so.

I know you are correct, the tetragrammaton is something I imagine Dee came across early in his life and he understood it way better than anyone alive today. It's not just the math, or the symbols, the vibrations themselves have powerful importance. If one can pronounce and speak it right, who knows what could manifest with a little Will added in.

Could a Queen give birth to a Bacon and Shakespeare?

 

[Light-of-Truth]

19 minutes ago, RoyalCraftiness said:

Right or wrong is of no import. You will have gained a lot of knowledge and are less likely to suggest something of little potential value. 

You are correct! (Just reading your post above!!). 🙂

Seriously, though, long ago when I first started to actually see and discover things, I realized something else was going on. The "Arrowheads" were appearing everywhere. Not just in whatever Sonnet or Shakespeare I was gazing at for hours. At a certain point there is a shift, like a pierce, and the veil pulls back.

At first, it was strange. I was finding exactly what I was looking for. The ciphers, numbers, and clues were clicking and usually in full context with word meanings that everybody reads. But to hear clues on the radio, or see them on the daily newspaper or whatever what as around at the same time makes one wonder what is going on?

OK, yes I am a state of psychosis, almost hearing voices in my head, but definitely experiencing a world where Bacon was tossing me clues that meant something. I was not afraid of losing my mind, at all. By the time I graduated high school my doors of perception were dissolved plus ultra. But still, I was fascinated about what was happening.

OK, maybe we are not correct, Mr. R.C., but I agree that we might get what we need to grow and discover Truth even in a dream.

G for me is the 7th "A" in the Sonnets Pyramid design columns. That is where Day 157 begins. I also tend to believe, in my little world, that it is the first "A" of the Double A's (G and L). 😉

 

[Eric Roberts]

3 hours ago, Light-of-Truth said:

I like it! One meaning of so many, and I do like it!

For me, all alone in a desert just me and Bacon, Mr. W.H. is supposed to be W. Mr. H, or deciphered further to "Worship Master FB."

By changing H (8 Simple cipher) to FB (8 Simple cipher) makes the count of words in the Sonnets Dedication 33 instead of 32 (counting EVER-LIVING and WELL-WISHING as two words each), and the final word (H or FB) is the center of the Star.

But that's just me and Bacon sharing a cold beer in a hot dry lonely desert. LOL

Yea, OK, Ben Jonson is here and he brought the beer...

Hey, is that John Dee tending the Fire? Keeping us warm as I think the temperature is going to drop quickly after dark...

🙂

 

 

 

And who's that peasant in the corner waiting to be told what to do? 

[Light-of-Truth]

11 minutes ago, RoyalCraftiness said:

I don't recognize the ciphering rule, but 157 is an interesting number.

The table is based upon what we call the Kaye, or Kay cipher. There is a history that goes back to the 1600's or earlier. I guess it is more Baconian than Masonic. 157 is a Rosicrucian number some Baconians seek out on "Treasure Hunts", commonly introduced by Peter Dawkins. 157 and 287 are "The Secret Shakespearean Seals" numbers introduced in 1910.

 

 

[Eric Roberts]

On 1/8/2023 at 6:11 AM, RoyalCraftiness said:

It seems likely that Mr W.H. is pointing to YHWH, the often given tetragrammaton which refers us to Adonai, the first name given to God in Hebrew in the Bible. This would appear to me to be the case since we are dealing with text based representation of triangles in that illustration which are made up of words whose numbers are the square of 9 and 8. The product 9x8=72 is the total number of the unspoken names of God which get further reflected in the construction of the compass and square design in Freemasonry where 72 degrees is integral. Who is it that promises ever lasting joy and eternity, if not Adonai? The suggestion may be a play to suggest that Shakespeare is a work created by God and authored by what is essentially a mask of him, or a lower representation of something fundamental which is defined by a 2:1 proportion for all of us. Your human incarnation is a mask. Your corresponding higher incarnation is divine and in the image of God. There' no obvious ties to Bacon with MR. W.H. in my view. It is all consistent with a symbolism which we find in many of the works touching on the curious marriage of Protestantism , German mysticism and Hebrew mysticism which we get in this period. As for for the sugnature T.T. at the end, you have many choices. I prefer Triple Tau as an implied meaning, because what I think we see here is the ideology of the Holy Royal Arch. The Triple Tau is it's emblem. T.T. is often understood as Theta and Tau, death and rebirth. This again plays in to the everlasting joy and eternity suggestion in the text. The great poet is God himself, and he is you.

Hi R.C.  "Adonai, the first name given to God in Hebrew in the Bible". As I'm sure you know, "Adonai" is not a name as such, but rather a title (Lord). My non-expert understanding is that in Israel during Roman occupation saying the name "Jehovah" was punishable by death, and so "Adonai" was substituted as the nearest (safe) Greek equivalent. This is obviously a huge and important subject which probably should be discussed on another more appropriate forum. Thank you for your inspiring post.

[Light-of-Truth]

27 minutes ago, RoyalCraftiness said:

Incidentally, if it's a day of the year there are 208 remaining and the ratio is approximately. 4:3. That's the frequency ratio for the perfect fourth musical interval, so you are well on your way in suggesting the perfection of 4 in the material world.

Learning the math of music is on my list, recommended to me a year or so ago. Marvin who posts here re-sparked my interest. I've had a mental block, so far...

 

[Light-of-Truth]

6 minutes ago, Eric Roberts said:

This is obviously a huge and important subject which probably should be discussed on another more appropriate forum.

We are in the "Shakespeare’s Mysterious Mr W. H." forum.

The symbology in the thoughts, words, engravings, and so much more with Bacon and Shakespeare appear to often suggest and hint at these ancient concepts. It is important, and no matter what has evolved since those days. I believe Bacon, and definitely Dee, did there best to leave examples and lessons that we may understand what they knew. Myself, I do not see one religion or another, it is beyond all that. Numbers, letters, vibrations? We are peeking at the very core of reality itself. Bacon wants us to Know what he Knew.

[Eric Roberts]

5 minutes ago, Light-of-Truth said:

We are in the "Shakespeare’s Mysterious Mr W. H." forum.

The symbology in the thoughts, words, engravings, and so much more with Bacon and Shakespeare appear to often suggest and hint at these ancient concepts. It is important, and no matter what has evolved since those days. I believe Bacon, and definitely Dee, did there best to leave examples and lessons that we may understand what they knew. Myself, I do not see one religion or another, it is beyond all that. Numbers, letters, vibrations? We are peeking at the very core of reality itself. Bacon wants us to Know what he Knew.

I only meant that there is a vast literature on the "Name of God" which has (almost) nothing to do with Francis Bacon.

[Light-of-Truth]

5 minutes ago, RoyalCraftiness said:

They got it mostly wrong, but the stories are interesting.

"Mostly" wrong. Yea, we today we have gadgets on Mars taking pictures, cameras in space passing by outer planets. We are so smart now! Wow!

A thousand years ago watching the skies, the geniuses of the day would recognize patterns, connect them to events, emotions, so on. And as patterns repeated, they kept notes in their way. Nature is the teacher of us all.

I feel sad we may be losing all they learned because we think we think we are so smart and laugh at their ignorance.

Bacon quote:

  Ham. And therefore as a stranger giue it welcome.
There are more things in Heauen and Earth, Horatio,
Then are dream't of in our Philosophy.

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14 minutes ago, RoyalCraftiness said:

Why would one prefer to use 26 letters in the Kay cipher? Is this a suggestion that an earlier ciphering scheme was modified to use 26 letters in order to produce a new set of correspondences in a time when we aren't omitting the J and U?

It may be the first post I made on this forum when I put to rest the argument that the letter "J" did not exists in Bacon's lifetime:

I suspect the "Kaye" cipher codes were new at the time Bacon appears to use them, and that the 14 x 26 table is much older. Granted, the only place I have ever seen this table is with the Sonnets.

Even without the Sonnets the table is mathematically fascinating, but with the Sonnets it goes to another level. Magic tables have been around for centuries, but nowhere does this one show up. Maybe it was the most secret of them all and Dee shared with only one person, Francis Bacon to be used with the Sonnets to tell his life story.

Day 287 begins with Sonnet 122:

http://www.light-of-truth.com/pyramid-GMT.php#12

TThy guift,,thy tables,are within my braine
Full characterd with lasting memory,
Which shall aboue that idle rancke remaine
Beyond all date euen to eternity.

 

[Light-of-Truth]

The Bacon world has been extremely fun and rewarding for me. It's become my purpose in life, my passion above all other things.

You and others here remind me that the more I think I know, the more I realize I don't know. Like an ever-expanding Universe.

[Kate]

On 1/8/2023 at 8:33 PM, RoyalCraftiness said:

Hi Kate, It may be a lot like the G in the compass and square which is, by its suggestive nature,  inviting you to search for a meaning for it. 

Just been reading another thread by Rob about Yogh, and with regard to G this is definitely one to add to the list!  
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yogh

I have never come across Yogh before. It also (at a push) links in to the Pythagorean Y.

[peethagoras]

I LIKE IT. 

MR. W.H  worshipful master FB  ! ! !

I wonder what your thoughts are on this manipulation:

M = 12   r = 17   W H = 29 = E D V

17 - 12 = 5 = E

D VERE

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Or perhaps this:

MR = 29 = WH

MR WH = 58 = MONAS = IOHN DEE

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Allisnum2er]

16 minutes ago, peethagoras said:

I LIKE IT. 

MR. W.H  worshipful master FB  ! ! !

I wonder what your thoughts are on this manipulation:

M = 12   r = 17   W H = 29 = E D V

17 - 12 = 5 = E

D VERE

-------------

Or perhaps this:

MR = 29 = WH

MR WH = 58 = MONAS = IOHN DEE

 

 

 

 

 

 

You also have MR WH = 58 = HANG HOG, and "Hang Hog is latten for BACON I warrant you" 🙂 

Or Perhaps MW RH, with MW that stands for Middle Way (and we know that 21+12= 33 = BACON) and RH or 178 that is the Kay Cipher of WILL TUDOR ! 😊

[peethagoras]

18 minutes ago, Allisnum2er said:

You also have MR WH = 58 = HANG HOG, and "Hang Hog is latten for BACON I warrant you" 🙂 

Or Perhaps MW RH, with MW that stands for Middle Way (and we know that 21+12= 33 = BACON) and RH or 178 that is the Kay Cipher of WILL TUDOR ! 😊

 

HANG HOG ---- yes indeedy.   LATTEN for A SECRET?  or LATINE for Bacon? 😁

If you want D MONAS B side by side,  think who WROTE it, then think ROTE W = 4582 thousandths. ("rote" is how Dee wrote root) 😄

 

And what about T. T? that most mysterious and puzzling pair at the foot of sonnets dedication. Thomas Thorpe? I think not.

John Dee is my choice. Mind you I have read somewhere that T. T. actually represents two Greek gammas. This is a possibility, 

this means that we have 19 19  from T T, and 3 3 from the gammas.

There's also 44 from the sum 38 + 3 + 3, and 17 from 3 + 8 + 3 + 3. (There's even  71 in there somewhere, but I have no idea what it might represent).

It makes a lot of sense to me as I believe Dee did the cipher - gemetria stuff, with Good queen Bess, Bacon, Oxford and Jonson (to mention just a few) dealing with the artistic side of things.

But that's just me.

[Kate]

I’ve read the gammas theory too somewhere, but don’t buy it for a second

It’s definitely cipher for Three Times and all the other meanings we’ve discussed - Two Two, Twenty Two, Triple Tau, Tatt and Tattu etc 

By the by, I was recently reading this from the 1700’s https://linfordresearch.info/fordownload/Other Books/J and B exposure 1797 edn.pdf

There’s a Masonic song where they mention “solemn Temples cloud cap’t towers” Remember TT is at the foot of the Shakespeare monument which has this same words  from The Tempest

The Cloud capt Tow'rs,
The Gorgeous Palaces,
The Solemn Temples,
The Great Globe itself,
Yea all which it Inherit,
Shall Dissolve;
And like the baseless Fabrick of a Vision
Leave not a wreck behind

(with the finger pointing at the word Temple) on the scroll. Totally Masonic!

 

 

 

Edited February 15 by Kate

[Light-of-Truth]

1 hour ago, Kate said:

By the by, I was recently reading this from the 1700’s https://linfordresearch.info/fordownload/Other Books/J and B exposure 1797 edn.pdf

Looks like an interesting book. I could spend a very happy day on just this one page:

[Light-of-Truth]

Quote

VII. A safe and easy Method proposed, by which a Man may obtain Admittance into any Lodge, without passing through the Form required, and thereby save a Guinea or two in his pockets.

Kate, you do have an air of Synchronicity about you! 🙂

Last night I had several dreams where I was pulling beautiful arrowheads out of sand. The places were mostly different, but there was always sand or a stream to reach into and touch and pick up treasures. Your post and link is one those treasures and all I had to do was reach down with my mouse and make a few clicks. 🙂

Thank you!

The quote above I think about a lot. And it comes up in conversations in places. At times a Freemason has jewelry, license plates or stickers on their cars, or maybe just a certain way they present themselves. My introduction is mostly the same, "My interest in Freemason and Rosicrucian knowledge is from my interest and research into the Shakespeare authorship mystery."

Bacon is always in the next line no matter what. LOL

We connect and enjoy our company. They know a ton I do not know, and I know some of their knowledge they do not know without any application or passing a ritual on my part. Countless hours of work makes a difference.

Some of us are in an "Invisible College" and it is very easy for any True seeker to "pass the Form" and learn the Secrets. If you are not honestly interested, you will never see anything. If something odd grabbed you and you can't stop poking around, the Hidden Bacon 101 and 102 teachings are like a tasty breakfast and you'll be on your way in the path.

What a nice day, Day 67 after passing Day 66 yesterday. Woke up happy remembering arrowheads in my fingers with sand pouring through. I love it! Got up early to do intense work for a few hours and it went well. With programing it can be hit and miss.  I took Theresa out for Valentine's Day dinner and our goal was to go downtown St Pete and see what parking spaces were open. Good food is never far way. We scored today with a Bay view. 😉

Oh, back on thread, there is a warning built into the above VII quote!

"...and thereby save a Guinea or two in his pockets."

We all know that learning about Bacon costs money in time once you gets obsessed. My wife accepts that we do not live as we could because so much of my productive time is spent on Bacon instead of filling our pockets! 😉

Just how it is I guess; dedicate to the present moment or try to touch Eternity?

 

 

 

[RoyalCraftiness]

On the matter of 33, much of the ancient cyclical meaning (if not all) can be attributed to the lunar cycle which gets out of phase with the solar cycle at the rate of 11 days per solar year. It takes 33 years for the Sun and moon to come back in phase. This is one aspect the alchemical wedding of the Rosicrucians. The three cycles in a century and the 10 centuries in the millennium are important layers to those who have cyclical time-based ideas of the recurring events of past and future.  The division of the Zodiacal age into two periods of 1000 years is part of the End Times arithmetic that greatly mattered to German Protestants whose Christianity began to reflect the flavor of a natural science. Men like Dee, and others, sought to interpret events within cycles and to foretell of events with the knowledge of cycles.

We can only imagine how Bacon thought about his own particular letter to number relation to 33, 67 to and 100 and how that scheme could be worked to apply a geometry to the globe which also reflected the character of the cyclical body whose motion faithfully gives us time.

It is all very reminiscent of the Proto Indo European culture's Sky father (Sun) and his consort (moon) who came together to give birth to twin sons (later Cain and Abel), one of whom kills the other and creates the world in the process. The daughter was Dawn (later Eve), and she is accounted for in the proto-Rosicrucian Philosophy of Jacob Boehme in his work "Aurora". The working towards a new dawn of man is the philosophical idea. The light of knowledge (Plato's divine luminosity) is to illuminate the 1000 year period ahead. That was in stark contrast to the idea that the End times were being foretold by the Novas of 1600 and 1604. The period around 1600 is one where there was much expectation of the eschaton in Protestant Europe. A similar craze hit North America in the years prior to 1843 with Millerism. It led to the "Great Disappointment". Someone's arithmetic did not pan out, as is often the case with the foretelling of the future. The idea, or expectation, of End Times is still found in the world's population today. Stories like this do not fade very easily. One can potentially attribute that to the human desire to attain that promised "great treasure" worth more than any sum of gold. The key to that treasure vault was, and is still said to be, in unconditional acceptance. You are supposed to get in line and work constructively as brothers in the Masonic ideal.

Primitive attempts to "know" these recurring things were in the domain of astrology. I happens that our religions have forefathers who were astronomical cults. When we work back the stories we start to discover how much importance the cycle and the herald (a time traveler or prophet) had. Time always comes and gives us the answer because time was expected to come full circle, as attested by the visible part of the heavens. This was a widely held belief. The idea has lost a lot of steam, though...

The two towers is an idea/motif from the Kabbalah, as is the central column (your spinal column of 33 vertebrae). The popularized Masonic stories are later 18th century adaptations of legends found in Hebrew texts. The character Hiram Abiff is a likely early adaptation of the the story of the Egyptian man-God Imhotep (the first great polymath/healer) who was the original stone builder of Egypt, builder of the Temple for the Pharaoh Djoser and architect of the first pyramid at Saqqara. Imhotep would later get Latinized by aligning him to Hermes (Trismegistus). The Egyptian spelling of that name was "hrm" (no vowels). He became Hiram which is phonetically similar. We can detect the influence of older stories in the crafting of the Masonic origin legends. Imhotep became a God by virtue of this actions which were informed by a knowledge that had reached him. So says the story.

The curious marriage of Protestantism and Judaism in England, on the heels of a very long period of oppression (375+ years), is something that came out of the monumental rift between Catholics and Protestants. The English Church really had no standing, but it quickly adopted the position that it was in line with the Hebrew teachings which were older (Henry VIII consulted rabbis and sought ways to justify his actions), and therefore truer (a prima theologia), than the corrupted teachings which emanated from the Rome ca. 400 AD. Henry started promoting the idea that the English were the descendants of one of the 10 lost tribes. Eventually the Temple was finally allowed to return to London in 1656. Many important spies of Elizabethan England were Jews who had ties to Spain. We can detect in Shakespeare and in Marlowe a plea for the Englishman to see the Jew as his fellow man. The history of this period is the foundation of modern Zionism. This is one of the things we are meant to discover in examining all the symbolism we are presented with. The King James Bible is an example of what important Jewish editors contributed to the English Church in Bacon's time. The Bible was "De-Hellenized" by that editing (moved away from Roman names). That so many thing seem to point to Hebrew Psalms should not surprise us. The Psalms themselves were things that had been written to contain veiled references to other things by Acrostic and other forms of gematria.

Anyway, it is much more than men having fun equating words to word values. It's about shaping a culture with the idea of an older one. The English were made to be seen as part of God's chosen people. Freemasonry is an initiation into the transformative processes of the Kabbalah. It all starts with one fundamental belief--that there is a supreme being. No one can go forward in that without the acceptance of that idea.

Edited February 15 by RoyalCraftiness

[Kate]

7 hours ago, RoyalCraftiness said:

. It all starts with one fundamental belief--that there is a supreme being.

It starts there, but most people think that this Supreme Being is something outside of us. The full journey of Freemasonry is to understand that we are a differentiated part of God.

As you say,

7 hours ago, RoyalCraftiness said:

much more than men having fun equating words to word values

 

'At the centre of ourselves, deeper than any dissecting knife can reach or than any physiological investigation can fathom, lies buried the "vital and immortal principle" the "glimmering ray" that affiliates us to the Divine Centre of all life‘ - Wilmshurst

That's the Alchemical Wedding/Union. 

K

PS That’s why my ebook is called The Secret Work of an Age.

Ella was a famous Rosicrucian.