Francis Bacon and the Bible

[Kate]

Has anyone done a thread on Bacon’s hand in the Bible? Has it been noted before that the inclusion of the words Authorised Version gives the Rosicrucian AV?

Here’s a link to the exact reprint, page for page, of the 1611 edition 

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Part of preface explaining the copy:

Couple of things:

This shows the Crown, rose and thistle but notice the light and dark and upside down Rosicrucian ‘mark’. 
 

There’s also a lengthy ‘To The Reader’ which may be worth looking at through ‘eyes that see’.
 

I’m also noticing the ornate first letters in the Bible itself are all letter As with the occasional N and T. This goes on for pages and pages, so is unnatural, but in the midst there’s a stray L.

Much later there is the start of the introduction of other letters such as W, H, I, Y , O and S and a distinct lonely G but they are far exceeded by the A, N, and Ts which seems odd. I notice some are light, some are dark. I haven’t scrolled all the way through but I’ve only come across 3 B’s so far and they are connected to Solomon and the twin pillars!

 

 

Anyway, this version is worth casting your eyes over.
 

It’s my understanding the First Folio is the twin (of sorts) to the KJV. It’s all part of the  Great Work. 

Edited August 9, 2022 by Kate
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[Allisnum2er]

WOW Kate , this is another great finding ! Thank you for sharing !

I think that you're right, reagrding the ornemental letters B and the book itself.

This Book hides a GEM ! 😉

In "Genesis", except the first letter "I" of "In the beginning" all the other ornemented Letters are indeed A,N and T's.

And A(1) + N(13) + T (19) = 33 = BACON simple cipher.

A(1) + N(13) + T (19) + I(9) = 42  = 40 + 2 = M.B. 😊

[Allisnum2er]

In the Second Book (Exodus) two new ornemental letters appear  among the letters A,T and N ( A+T+N = 33) : one letter W (Chapter 18) and one letter M (Chapter 26).

W and M are the initials of Worshipful Master and W + M = 33 = BACON (simple cipher).

                     

And if we admit that these two letters were placed at the beginning of these chapters on purpose ...

18 + 26 = 44  = REX (simple cipher) = LIBER (simple cipher).

44 is, in Hebrew, the gematria of Child/Boy (Yeled), Blood (Dam) and Phoenix (Chol).

44 or Rex Liber, the Child with the Blood of the Phoenix

 

Edited August 9, 2022 by Allisnum2er

[Allisnum2er]

In the Third Book (Leviticus) all the ornemental Letters are A's except ...

 

         

7 + 26 = 33 = BACON (simple cipher)

L(11) + Y(23) = 34 = Francis (short cipher)

33 + 34 = 67 = FRANCIS (simple cipher)

Notice that Chap VII talks about the "Free-will-offering"

Free was used as a signature by Francis Bacon because :

FREE = BACON = 33 (simple cipher)

FREE = FRANCIS = 67 (reverse cipher)

An he uses the word "Free-will" in the First Chapter of His Essays (1625) in order to conceal that he ,Francis Bacon, was WILL ( SHAKE-SPEARE/TUDOR)

https://sirbacon.org/all-is-num2er/

I also love the fact that the ornemental letter Y is at the beginning of the chapter 26.

Indeed, 26 # B.F. (simple cipher) the initials of Francis Bacon.

26 is also the simple cipher of F.BACO.

And this Chapter 26 talks about idolatry. We can make a connection with "The Four Idols of the Minds" of Francis Bacon. 

Finally, I remind you my thoughts on the letter Y ...

[A Phoenix]

 

The 1611 title page of the KJV has both a phoenix at the top of the page and a pelican (my two favourite Rosicrucian symbols/metaphors) at the foot of the page pointing to the invovlment of Lord Bacon abd his Rosicrucian Brotherhood.   

Here is the link for this edition: https://archive.org/details/1611TheAuthorizedKingJamesBible/page/n1/mode/2up?view=theater

A rare 1616 version of KJV was found in a cupboard in New Zealand:

https://www.anglicannews.org/news/2018/07/rare-1616-king-james-bible-found-in-cupboard-of-57-year-old-new-zealand-church.aspx

In this rare 1616 edtion of the KJV, N. B. Cockburn reproduces an anonymous four line verse from beneath its engraving of King James, which he believes was written by Lord Bacon:  

                                                                                  Crowns have their compass; length of days their date;

                                                                                  Triumphs their tombs; felicity her fate.

                                                                                  Of more than earth can earth make none partaker,

                                                                                  But knowledge makes the King most like his maker.

                              [N. B. Cockburn, The Bacon Shakespeare Question (Guildford and Kings Lynn: Biddles Limited, 1998, pp. 251-4, at p. 251]

For a list of several articles exploring the links between Lord Bacon and the KJV see:

A. M. Chalinor, An Index to Baconiana (The Francis Bacon Society, 2001), p. 86.

 

                  

Edited August 9, 2022 by A Phoenix

[Kate]

As if by magic, I just happened across these words after writing this post and they convey exactly what I meant when I said about the First Folio being a twin to the KJV:

‘If the Bible is the book of God, then Shakespeare is the book of man on Earth’

[Allisnum2er]

Do you know if someone already noticed this by the past ???

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5d/KJV-King-James-Version-Bible-first-edition-title-page-1611.jpg

Ham. To be (Francis Bacon), or not to be, that is the question.  😊

Hamlet - First Folio (1623)

Moreover, there are 53 words in total.

53 is the simple cipher of : SOW , SWAN and POET.

And it is well-known that the word BACON appears in the First Folio precisely on pages 53 of COMEDIES and HISTORIES.

Edited August 10, 2022 by Allisnum2er

[Allisnum2er]

[A Phoenix]

Brilliant Yann! Also the lion is the national symbol of England and appears on the Royal Arms so is connected to royalty. Francis Bacon's placement by the lion could be symbolising that FB sacrificed (turned his back on) his true lineage in order to dedicate himself to the Universal Reformation of the Whole Wide World.

[Allisnum2er]

2 hours ago, A Phoenix said:

Brilliant Yann! Also the lion is the national symbol of England and appears on the Royal Arms so is connected to royalty. Francis Bacon's placement by the lion could be symbolising that FB sacrificed (turned his back on) his true lineage in order to dedicate himself to the Universal Reformation of the Whole Wide World.

Thank you A Phoenix !❤️ I highlighted the LION because of its connection with the royalty and I entirely support your analysis !

It also reminds me our discussion  about LION / LYON / LUGDUNUM , LUGDUNUM being Latin for the HILL (or the FORTRESS) of LUGH.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lugh

"Lugh is portrayed as a warrior, a king, a master craftsman and a savior. He is associated with skill and mastery in multiple disciplines, including the arts.

Lugh also has associations with oaths, truth and the law, and therefore with rightful kingship ... he wields an unstoppable fiery spear."

And I have just learned that the feast of Lugh (Lughnasadh) is celebrated on August 1st or the first full moon of Leo ! 😀

[Allisnum2er]

2 hours ago, Kate said:

When did WS first use this word in a play?

Hi Kate,

In the First Folio, the word majestie appears for the very first time in THE TEMPEST Act 2 scene 1

https://internetshakespeare.uvic.ca/Library/facsimile/book/SLNSW_F1/20/index.html%3Fzoom=850.html

This is, I believe, the very first page, and very first column, in which the letter w is sometimes replaced by vv.

If we add the number of the lines of the column with a vv in a word instead of a w, it gives us the number 407.

I do not know if it was the purpose of Francis Bacon, but if we take a look at the 407th page of the First Folio ...

https://internetshakespeare.uvic.ca/Library/facsimile/book/SLNSW_F1/407/index.html%3fzoom=1275.html

 

Francis Backe on ! 🙂 

I must admit, that regarding the word "majestie" in the First Folio, my preference goes to this one ...

😊

 

Edited August 10, 2022 by Allisnum2er

[Kate]

Thanks Yann,

This is the chronology from Brittanica.com

The Tempest was 1611 - the same date as the KJV Bible. If there was no use of majesty/majestie in a play written earlier than 1611 (even if it appeared after The Tempest in the First Folio) then if academics agree that Shakespeare invented or introduced this word to the world, then they would have to agree he either wrote the dedication on the cover of the Bible, or had sight of it and took the word from there

Can you see my line of reasoning?

The front of the Bible ties the translator - or one of them - to Shakespeare (both being Bacon).

Or am I missing or misunderstanding something?

[Allisnum2er]

I see your line of reasoning Kate ! 🙂 

The fact is that the word "majestie" appears in Venus and Adonis published in 1593 ...

https://www.opensourceshakespeare.org/search/search-results.php

So, 18 years later, in 1611, the word had already become part of common usage.

 

[Light-of-Truth]

Latin Majestatis appears in 1578:

[Allisnum2er]

4 minutes ago, Light-of-Truth said:

Latin Majestatis appears in 1578

Hi Rob, it's great to see you back  ! 😊

The article posted earlier by Kate explains that one of the talent of "Shakespeare" was precisely to create new english words from Latin words 🙂 

[Light-of-Truth]

Ahhhh, I see. 🙂

[Allisnum2er]

Before going to bed ...

https://archive.org/details/venusadonisfirst00shakuoft/page/38/mode/2up

The sunne (sonne) arise in his majestie : TUDOR / BACON

The silver brest, is a reference to the breast of the MOON/CYNTHIA/LUNA

that could represent the Queen Elizabeth Tudor.

EDIT :

Oups, I missed the ROSE ...

This is very probably a Tudor rose ! 😉

Goodnight.

Edited August 10, 2022 by Allisnum2er

[Allisnum2er]

Here the proof that even  a bad night's sleep get good inspirations ! 😀

HAVE A NICE DAY !

Edited August 11, 2022 by Allisnum2er

[Kate]

9 hours ago, Allisnum2er said:

I see your line of reasoning Kate ! 🙂 

The fact is that the word "majestie" appears in Venus and Adonis published in 1593 ...

https://www.opensourceshakespeare.org/search/search-results.php

So, 18 years later, in 1611, the word had already become part of common usage.

 

Ah drat! Thought I was on to something there. Thanks for looking that up and explaining, Yann. 
 

I know AP has done lots of slides on parallels of words used by Bacon in his various writings and those in Shakespeare, and there is the long word on the Northumberland Manuscript, I was just hoping there might be something in the Bible preface which wasn’t seen in Shakespeare until after 1611, but I guess someone would then just assume he must have read the KJV in that period before 1616, so there’s no way of proving anything.  Thanks again. 

[Light-of-Truth]

Yann (Allisnum2r) presented us with the following (see above posts):

Quote

Venus and Adonis by William Shakespeare (1593)

143rd stanza from the beginning.
57th stanza from the end.

The sunne (sonne) arise in his majestie : TUDOR / BACON

FRA BACON = 57 Simple cipher

QUEEN ELIZABETH = 143 Simple cipher

Lines 143 and 144 of the Sonnets are lines 3 and 4 of Sonnet 11:

http://www.light-of-truth.com/pyramid-GMT.php#Line0143

And that fresh bloud which yongly thou bestow'st,
Thou maist call thine,when thou from youth conuertest,

Sonnet 11 with Lines 143 and 144 pointed to:

143 is Simple cipher for QUEEN ELIZABETH.

144 is Simple cipher for SIR FRANCIS BACON.

143 + 144 = 287 the Kaye cipher for WILLIAM TUDOR I.

See the colored letters above for FR BACON and WILL TUDOR. One could certainly pick an "I" to make WILL TUDOR I.

There are 33 words and 157 characters from the beginning of Sonnet 11 up to the word "conuertest"

33 is the Simple cipher for BACON.

157 is the Simple cipher for WILLIAM TUDOR I.

By the way, add up the first letters of Sonnet 11 and you have 157 Simple cipher.

http://www.light-of-truth.com/pyramid-GMT.php#cipherSonnet011

I know we've kicked the 143 ball around here before and Elizabeth always comes up with Bacon and William. So the above may be a rerun for those with very good memories (unlike myself). 🙂

But a little coincidence for just today as I write this post.

We are in Line 1318 right now (GMT) which is Line 2 of Sonnet 95:

http://www.light-of-truth.com/pyramid-GMT.php#Line1318

Lines 1318 and 1319:

Which like a canker in the fragrant Rose,
Doth spot the beautie of thy budding name?

Rose? Name? Is there a 143 somewhere?

The 11 Letter Simple cipher (Lines 2-12) of Sonnet 95 is 143. Using the modern 26 letter codes we see 143 Reverse cipher. So yes, 143 (QUEEN ELIZABETH) is there.

http://www.light-of-truth.com/pyramid-GMT.php#cipherSonnet095

In Sonnet 95 there are 67 characters up to "Rose". 67 is the Simple cipher of FRANCIS.

There are 24 words and 102 characters up to "name".

TWENTY FOUR is 157 Simple cipher the same as WILLIAM TUDOR I.

ONE HUNDRED TWO is a 157 Simple, 168 Reverse, 58 Short, and 287 Kaye cipher for WILLIAM TUDOR I.

http://www.light-of-truth.com/ciphers.htm

The word "name" appears twice in Sonnet 95 with 33 words between them. 33 is the Simple cipher for BACON. If we don't count two parenthesis we have 157 characters, the Simple cipher for WILLIAM TUDOR I.

And of course there is more.

It's nice to finally get a break from work today! Yesterday was Day 222 and I so wanted to write about the cool 222 stuff with Kate in mind! 🙂

 

 

 

 

[Guest Ryan Murtha]

On 8/10/2022 at 4:13 PM, Light-of-Truth said:

Latin Majestatis appears in 1578:

 

Yeah the word is used 24 times in the Politic and Military Discourses of De Noue, 1587, also originally published in French in 1587, it has a lot of parallels in Don Quixote and other works of the period. I have no idea who came up with the idea Shakespeare coined it. 

 

 

[peethagoras]

re the King James bible title page: notice the little man holding a square, he has a bump on his head, he is in partial darkness.

Could he be that Masonic character Hiram Abif?

 

Note also: the only evangelist without ink is St Mark (top right with the lion).

At the bottom right of the page the evangelist St John (with his eagle holding inkpot), shows a masonic-code leg?

 

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