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Hi Kate,

I agree with you Kate, it is not immediately clear to me what Philip F. Howerton, Jr, is saying or implying in the article entitled 'Vladimir Nabokov and William Shakespeare' (Oxford Society Newsletter, 23 February 2006). Or whether or not he is familiar with the very obvious and unmistakable allusions to FB, the paraphraising of FB's famous saying (about concealing or hiding something), or the Bacon acrostic/anagrams, not to mention the very clear allusion to the pictorial emblems on the 1624 title page of the Cryptomenytices published shortly the 1623 Shakespeare First Folio in which FB is seen handing a figure representing the actor William Shakspere a quarto text or book of his Shakespeare plays. 

Lord, such fools these mortals be!  

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Kate, curious that when you first mentioned Nabokov it was an Oxfordian who wanted to kick this round?

I think they would be digging into a can of worms they would rather not hear or know about. 😉

 

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9 hours ago, Light-of-Truth said:

Then we will see numbers!! 🙂

And we do see numbers, especially in his Pale Fire.

Apparently the title comes from Timon of Athens...

“The moon's an arrant thief, And her pale fire she snatches from the sun.”

William Shakespeare, Timon of Athens

...and is written in four cantos and has 999 lines. I don’t claim to know much about it but have just read this interesting summary and analysis: 

https://www.litcharts.com/lit/pale-fire/foreword

which mentions how he talks about reading words backwards. 

Also see this and the links to Pope (you’ll need to find it on Google books open it and see the next page too)

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Do you see the reference to the Earl of Oxford. Maybe the Oxfordians got their 17th Earl mixed up with this one! 😄 That’s all I can think. It’s baffling why they’d think he references de Vere but I guess they seized on the Verona line in the ‘Bend Sinister’  quote further up this topic. 

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Just a note to say that I have posted about ciphers in another area, but it will be of interest to those reading here. So the URL is below or just go to the Freemasonry/Rosicrucian Thread if this doesn't work.

sirbacon.org/bacon-forum/index.php?/topic/199-a-book-of-masonic-cipher/

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On 7/1/2022 at 11:01 AM, Kate said:

And we do see numbers, especially in his Pale Fire.

Apparently the title comes from Timon of Athens...

“The moon's an arrant thief, And her pale fire she snatches from the sun.”

William Shakespeare, Timon of Athens

Just an idea ...

"Pale Fire" could also be a reference to Hamlet Act 1 scene 5

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https://internetshakespeare.uvic.ca/Library/facsimile/book/SLNSW_F1/766/index.html%3Fzoom=850.html

This is the misnumbered page 258 (158).

The fact is that  right after the page 156 of Tragedies we have the page 257 or 100+157

with

100, the simple cipher of FRANCIS BACON

157, the simple cipher of FRA ROSI CROSSE and WILLIAM TUDOR I

Then, we have the page 258 or 100 + 158 that can be seen as :

FRANCIS BACON ( 100 - Simple cipher) + ELIZABETH  TUDOR ( 158 - Simple cipher)

 

Moreover, this passage can be  linked to Sonnet 122

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And thanks to Rob ( Light-of-Truth)  and his Sonnets Pyramid we know that  Sonnet 122 is related to day 287,

287 being the Kay cipher of FRA ROSI CROSSE and WILLIAM TUDOR I !

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13 minutes ago, Kate said:

Well, as so much was veiled we need to look into this and consider all options - pale and fire are both terms used in Heraldry. But as always context is important. Which fits best with the overall piece? 
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Actually seeing as Bend Sinister is heraldic - I’m wondering even more now! 

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Hi Kate,  to be honest ,when you mentioned "Bend sinister" few days ago it immediatly reminded me a video of Alexander Waugh, his analysis of an engraving depicting Henry Wriothesley and Henry De Vere on horseback .

http://museums.eu/collection/object/136795/henry-de-vere-18th-earl-of-oxford-and-henry-wriothesley-3rd-earl-of-southampton?pUnitId=428

His presentation led him to the comparative analysis of two very similar portaits of Henry Wriothesley and Henry De vere, with Henry De Vere holding a stick going from top right to bottom left (Bend sinister), a proof, according to Mr Waugh, of "bastardry in the family line", a clue left by the engraver to indicate that Henry De Vere was not the son of Edward De Vere but, in fact, the son of Henry Wriothesley.

https://collection.beta.fitz.ms/id/object/35219

https://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/portrait/mw146312/Henry-de-Vere-18th-Earl-of-Oxford

And for the anecdote, this morning, my research led me to Robert Dudley engravings and I noticed two peculiar engravings :

https://academic.oup.com/sq/article-abstract/6/3/246/5136992?redirectedFrom=PDF&login=false

Notice the similarity with the engraving with the two "Henry" both in the composition and the cartouche

https://www.alamyimages.fr/photo-image-portrait-de-robert-dudley-comte-de-leicester-1532-1588-un-noble-anglais-en-date-du-16e-siecle-122928118.html?imageid=F9FCCA40-8BA9-4361-9942-DC12045A8629&p=75935&pn=1&searchId=6f3c94d4fe0d8eeec7d2dffd5408ca03&searchtype=0

Notice the stick going from top right to bottom left (recalling the Bend sinister).

But contrarly to Henry Wriothesley and Henry De Vere, Robert Dudley hold his stick in HIS LEFT HAND (the "feminine" one).

Intringuing !

 

 

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Fascinating! 
 

I was reading somewhere, it may have been in the Guide to Heraldry that I linked to, that because seals, crests, flags and armoury predate other forms of communication, that the symbols were a way of communicating far more than we probably realise - (or words to the effect). There’s a whole section on the ‘bastardry’ symbolism.

I recently saw something, I can’t recall where now but it’ll come to me, about the motto on the crest that was made for Shakespeare (or his father) it has a suspicious comma which was later removed. 
 

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Hi

I’m linking to this post from the ‘parallels’ topic as it should really be part of this topic thread so as not to distract from AP posting his slides on the parallels between Bacon and Shakespeare.
 

This link contains some info/discussion about the First Folio and the woodblock letters. 

https://sirbacon.org/bacon-forum/index.php?/topic/69-parallels-in-the-bacon-shakespeare-works/&do=findComment&comment=2410

 

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Okay this is a bit weird. I’m putting it here as it’s about the First Folio but before anyone hyperventilates at the sight of the word ‘Astrology’, please go and read my thread on Astrology to understand what it is. 
 

So the Sun moves through 360° in one year, today it is at 16° Leo which is 136° in absolute longitude - so 136° of its annual 360° travel. We (astronomers and astrologers) also measure the movement of the Sun in minutes of arc (and seconds). These minutes change at a rate of roughly 1 minute of arc every 15 mins of time.

(Don't confuse this with 1° rising every 4 minutes)

After posting about the Bible earlier, something spurred me to look at the chart of the First Folio. No idea why. Completely coincidentally out of 360° the Sun today is at the degree of Uranus, which itself is opposite Mars and part of the ‘Fixed cross’ (see red lines in a cross)  of Sun/Pluto/Mars/Uranus. It’s this that keeps the First Folio one of the most important books, ‘fixed’ in world history and likely to impact society even more than it has done already.

Here’s the extraordinary thing though. I just happened to look at the chart when the Sun was at 16°47’. This has a roughly 15 minutes (of time) window in one year! See they were both at 16.47 when I looked at 10.32am BST174999C3-AEEB-4BD3-AE06-13FD33A5E3A9.jpeg.23ffd955bbda2d2ff024029a6bf4e833.jpeg

 

Statistically that is mind-blowing. 
 

What it means, besides the extraordinary chances and synchronicity of this, is that today (each year) is a day we may find something unexpected about the First Folio is unearthed. We could see more energy and interest - even arguments- about the authorship ensue. Not on B’Hive but globally. Sometimes we see nothing overt but behind the scenes something connected to the First Folio occurs that we only hear about later. Symbolically it causes the spotlight to fall on the book and its mystery, more so than other days.

This is more so in 2022 due to the fact that the planet Uranus is now in an on/off angular relationship to the ‘birth’ of the FF, it means things are hotting up re surprise revelations as we move towards 2023/2024 when the major shift happens. Pluto is now at the return to its position in 1776 (birth of America) then moves into Aquarius, Bacon’s birth sign. 
 

The general public are going to start hearing far more about Bacon, his hand in the founding of America and the Shakespeare link now. It’s a good day and time, overall, to get posting links to APs work and videos about Bacon and America on Facebook, Instagram and other social media.

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On 8/9/2022 at 11:23 AM, Kate said:

What it means, besides the extraordinary chances and synchronicity of this, is that today (each year) is a day we may find something unexpected about the First Folio is unearthed. We could see more energy and interest - even arguments- about the authorship ensue. Not on B’Hive but globally. Sometimes we see nothing overt but behind the scenes something connected to the First Folio occurs that we only hear about later. 

Here we go. Just one overt example. This story broke yesterday as the Sun triggered the fixed square:

For the more discerning reader see:

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/are-students-really-too-fragile-to-read-shakespeare-

Same story in tabloid form:

https://mol.im/a/11098359

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All very ‘woke’ (Uranus) and ‘shocking’ (Uranus) - will Will eventually be cancelled?! 🧐🙄

A quick sweep on Twitter search also yielded this yesterday 

https://twitter.com/E2EShakespeare/status/1556942440686288896/video/1

BTW Frank Skinner is a comedian (debatable?!) from Birmingham

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We know the inscription on the Shakespeare Monument at Stratford references Maro (Virgil). Born around 70BC. It caught my eye that on this cover of Virgil’s Aeneid in 1610 is the same emblem we find in the 1623 First Folio.

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in case you didn’t know, Virgil is the origin of the phrase on the Great Seal of 🇺🇸 about  Novus Ordo Seclorum

Magnus ab integro saeclorum nascitur ordo.

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and Virginia was called Arcadia, which is also from Virgil. 
 

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Seeing as it was Bacon who helped colonise America along with the ‘incomparable paire’ referenced at the front of the FF, unless one can link Will Shakespeare to the founding of America (No!) this is surely yet another nugget of proof that Bacon was Shakespeare. 

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16 hours ago, Kate said:

We know the inscription on the Shakespeare Monument at Stratford references Maro (Virgil). Born around 70BC. It caught my eye that on this cover of Virgil’s Aeneid in 1610 is the same emblem we find in the 1623 First Folio.

0B4DEE83-E4E7-4356-A649-5CC73D2FB13D.jpeg.6ec560e36e8d817cd859add0c2abaa00.jpeg

47BE975F-F3D8-4A0A-A187-2EF187258B74.jpeg.1437a6115f5d7e0e2cf1cdee2798846f.jpeg

in case you didn’t know, Virgil is the origin of the phrase on the Great Seal of 🇺🇸 about  Novus Ordo Seclorum

Magnus ab integro saeclorum nascitur ordo.

8BD224CD-011C-421A-814E-9CFFD7CD7E7E.jpeg.f0088112b5927f119cfd82de320cee1d.jpeg

 

and Virginia was called Arcadia, which is also from Virgil. 
 

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Seeing as it was Bacon who helped colonise America along with the ‘incomparable paire’ referenced at the front of the FF, unless one can link Will Shakespeare to the founding of America (No!) this is surely yet another nugget of proof that Bacon was Shakespeare. 

Kate said" "It caught my eye that on this cover of Virgil’s Aeneid in 1610 is the same emblem we find in the 1623 First Folio." How very strange. The 1610 "Aeneid" was presumably printed in Germany (?), yet it bears the same emblem as found in the First Folio. Are they identical, i.e. from the same wood block image? If so, how do we account for this?

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This wood block came up here on B'Hive some months ago. It is from a particular printer and the block shows up across a fascinating web of books. I'll try to find the thread...

EDIT: I may be incorrect. It happens! LOL

The thread I am thinking of was a different wood cut and printer.

 

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3 hours ago, Eric Roberts said:

Kate said" "It caught my eye that on this cover of Virgil’s Aeneid in 1610 is the same emblem we find in the 1623 First Folio." How very strange. The 1610 "Aeneid" was presumably printed in Germany (?), yet it bears the same emblem as found in the First Folio. Are they identical, i.e. from the same wood block image? If so, how do we account for this?

Hi Eric,

I evoked few month ago,in another topic, the similarity between the wood block image used in Adnotationes et meditationes in Evangelia - Second Edition (1595)  and the one used in Shakespeare's First Folio (1623).

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In fact, they are slightly different (the oval and the bottom of the wood block image).

The wood block image used for Virgil's Aeneid seems to be exactly the same as the one used for Adnotationes et meditationes in Evangelia (2nd Edition).

 

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1 hour ago, Allisnum2er said:

Hi Eric,

I evoked few month ago,in another topic, the similarity between the wood block image used in Adnotationes et meditationes in Evangelia - Second Edition (1595)  and the one used in Shakespeare's First Folio (1623).

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In fact, they are slightly different (the oval and the bottom of the wood block image).

The wood block image used for Virgil's Aeneid seems to be exactly the same as the one used for Adnotationes et meditationes in Evangelia (2nd Edition).

 

The two embellishments must be sourced from the same original pattern or, one is derived from the other. 

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Hi Kate and Eric,

Examples of the very interesting 'Pan' tail-piece are reproduced by Peter Dawkins in his important work Arcadia and the Arcadian Academy (The Life and Times of Francis Bacon, 1579-1585) (The Francis Bacon Research Trust, 1988) here reproduced below:

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