Jump to content

Bacon and Astrology


Recommended Posts

  • 2 weeks later...

Greetings to Kate.

Concerning astrology and astronomy: I always thought astronomy was not a known word in Bacon's day.

Something which I have often wrestled with is a passage by William Rawley (Bacon's clergy) in his Life of Francis Bacon, concerning Bacon's "nativity": he says:

"It  may  seem  the  moon  had  some  principal  place  in  the  figure  of  his  nativity:  for  the  moon was never in her passion, or eclipsed, but he was surprised with a sudden fit of fainting; and that, though  he  observed  not  nor  took  any  previous  knowledge  of the  eclipse thereof;  and as soon as the eclipse ceased, he was restored to his former strength again..."

I just cannot believe Bacon fainted when the moon was eclipsed, and can only say that Rawley was telling us something completely different, perhaps concerning Bacon of Elizabeth I.

 

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 3 weeks later...
On 2/4/2023 at 7:42 PM, peethagoras said:

Greetings to Kate.

Concerning astrology and astronomy: I always thought astronomy was not a known word in Bacon's day.

Something which I have often wrestled with is a passage by William Rawley (Bacon's clergy) in his Life of Francis Bacon, concerning Bacon's "nativity": he says:

"It  may  seem  the  moon  had  some  principal  place  in  the  figure  of  his  nativity:  for  the  moon was never in her passion, or eclipsed, but he was surprised with a sudden fit of fainting; and that, though  he  observed  not  nor  took  any  previous  knowledge  of the  eclipse thereof;  and as soon as the eclipse ceased, he was restored to his former strength again..."

I just cannot believe Bacon fainted when the moon was eclipsed, and can only say that Rawley was telling us something completely different, perhaps concerning Bacon of Elizabeth I.

 

Bacon was born a few days before the penumbral lunar eclipse (Saros 97) of Jan. 31, 1561. Approximately one year later, on Jan. 20, 1562 a rare tetrad of lunar eclipses began. These are called tetrads because 4 successive lunar eclipses in the same cycle are total eclipses. There was a second tetrad that occurred in that century when he was 19. Bacon would have observed/experienced a total lunar eclipse on July 26, 1580. 

If it interests you, Bacon seems to have been particularly interested in the prognostication of the annular solar eclipse (Saros 128) of October 14,  1651. He appears to have been attracted by the date and location of it's first occurrence.

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hello RoyalCraftiness

 

..." a sudden fit of fainting; and that, though  he  observed  not  nor  took  any  previous  knowledge  of the  eclipse thereof;  and as soon as the eclipse ceased, he was restored to his former strength again..."

 

I still don't believe it.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, peethagoras said:

Hello RoyalCraftiness

 

..." a sudden fit of fainting; and that, though  he  observed  not  nor  took  any  previous  knowledge  of the  eclipse thereof;  and as soon as the eclipse ceased, he was restored to his former strength again..."

 

I still don't believe it.

You shouldn't. Assigning meaning to a coincidence is fraught with peril. However, it's the sort of thing that people who are prone to giving causal significance to astrology might do. Rawley could be telling us Bacon is that sort of type. If you read Sylva Sylvarum there is evidence that Bacon may have prone to this sort of belief in the influence of things which are otherwise in harmony.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 2/22/2023 at 4:59 PM, RoyalCraftiness said:

... Assigning meaning to a coincidence is fraught with peril. However, it's the sort of thing that people who are prone to giving causal significance to astrology might do. Rawley could be telling us Bacon is that sort of type. If you read Sylva Sylvarum there is evidence that Bacon may have prone to this sort of belief in the influence of things which are otherwise in harmony.

My backyard sky right now I see a big smile glowing, the Moon. Even through the Live Oak branches, there it is. A big giant bright light is smiling too some space below it, Jupiter, and in line below Jupiter is bright smaller Venus. 4th in line below Venus in my view is a street light. It lights up two large branches of very old happy Live Oaks  one going up and one curved downwards. It makes the horned one-eyed dancing symbol below in my brain without much effort of imagination:

image.png.60c19b2366a2c374008f3c185883975e.png

Using one of the Sky apps on my iPhone I see the Sun in the same line and Uranus is close as well below the horizon.

I am prone to assigning a gorgeous sunset to where I am in life, typically at the end of an important day. Or like tonight, a smiling Moon with planets creating a Tree of Life in my Sky, after a very Good day. I do have a tendency to assign something in my perception to the experience at hand.

My wish is that Kate would pop up and explain today's sky in terms I'd kind of understand.

CJ, I know you have to grin at me, demonstrating what you warn against. Yet even Bacon was guilty as we all are in some ways. Even denial is a belief! LOL

In the sky I see the symbol that caught my attention a few days ago. Of course that means it is important to me. Dee is connected.

What does it mean?

LOL, it means I am alive! awake! Paying attention! Crazy as a Loon!

Demonstrating exactly how not to be to actually know anything in a pure form. 🙂

Ignorance is Bliss if you Know how to Manipulate it in your Mind!

OK, Rob, LoT, 007, get back to the Middle Way...

🙂

 

 

 

 

  • Like 4

T A A A A A A A A A A A T
157     www.Light-of-Truth.com     287
<-- 1 8 8 1 1
O 1 1 8 8 1 -->

Link to comment
Share on other sites

18 hours ago, Light-of-Truth said:

My backyard sky right now I see a big smile glowing, the Moon. Even through the Live Oak branches, there it is. A big giant bright light is smiling too some space below it, Jupiter, and in line below Jupiter is bright smaller Venus. 4th in line below Venus in my view is a street light. It lights up two large branches of very old happy Live Oaks  one going up and one curved downwards. It makes the horned one-eyed dancing symbol below in my brain without much effort of imagination:

image.png.60c19b2366a2c374008f3c185883975e.png

Using one of the Sky apps on my iPhone I see the Sun in the same line and Uranus is close as well below the horizon.

I am prone to assigning a gorgeous sunset to where I am in life, typically at the end of an important day. Or like tonight, a smiling Moon with planets creating a Tree of Life in my Sky, after a very Good day. I do have a tendency to assign something in my perception to the experience at hand.

My wish is that Kate would pop up and explain today's sky in terms I'd kind of understand.

CJ, I know you have to grin at me, demonstrating what you warn against. Yet even Bacon was guilty as we all are in some ways. Even denial is a belief! LOL

In the sky I see the symbol that caught my attention a few days ago. Of course that means it is important to me. Dee is connected.

What does it mean?

LOL, it means I am alive! awake! Paying attention! Crazy as a Loon!

Demonstrating exactly how not to be to actually know anything in a pure form. 🙂

Ignorance is Bliss if you Know how to Manipulate it in your Mind!

OK, Rob, LoT, 007, get back to the Middle Way...

🙂

 

 

 

 

The hieroglyph is atop the arch that leads into the confines of the hermetic knowledge. The words atop the arch appear to be Latin for "I shall not wholly die". It's a message which is sympathetic to the Christian view.  The road leading to the arch describes Mysterium: mystery, secret service, rite and worship. It is not hard to see how this could be the seed idea for something like Freemasonry.

I don't quite know what to make of the diagonal "leg up" which in on the let side of the bottom of the hieroglyph. The other elements in it seem familiar and part of existing symbolism. It is usually seen as reflecting what is to the right to suggest fire/ignis (Sun and Moon operating on the elements to ignite). Maybe it is wanting to implicate Mars.  

Edited by RoyalCraftiness
  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 hours ago, RoyalCraftiness said:

The hieroglyph is atop the arch that leads into the confines of the hermetic knowledge. The words atop the arch appear to be Latin for "I shall not wholly die". It's a message which is sympathetic to the Christian view.  The road leading to the arch describes Mysterium: mystery, secret service, rite and worship. It is not hard to see how this could be the seed idea for something like Freemasonry.

I don't quite know what to make of the diagonal "leg up" which in on the let side of the bottom of the hieroglyph. The other elements in it seem familiar and part of existing symbolism. It is usually seen as reflecting what it to the right to suggest fire/ignis (Sun and Moon operating on the elements to ignite). Maybe it is wanting to implicate Mars.  

I wonder if it could possibly be a way to hide the alchemical symbol of Earth ...

image.png.f0fea1621900eaa2c3e8041a4de43cd6.png

  • Like 1

image.png.b8c74f56d5551c745119c268cf9d3db8.png

Link to comment
Share on other sites

20 minutes ago, Allisnum2er said:

I wonder if it could possibly be a way to hide the alchemical symbol of Earth ...

image.png.f0fea1621900eaa2c3e8041a4de43cd6.png

HK uses the circle with the cross in it as the symbol for Earth (planetary body).  Will have to look more into this as an idea. Kunrath was a disciple of Paracelsus and an influence on Dee. One would think we could find a reference to this somewhere. Dee has fire there, so maybe this is also an element.

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

47 minutes ago, Allisnum2er said:

I wonder if it could possibly be a way to hide the alchemical symbol of Earth ...

image.png.f0fea1621900eaa2c3e8041a4de43cd6.png

This combination of a crook and a diagonal appears with the monad paired in another symbol where it has the meaning of "existens ante elementa" or existence prior to the elements. That's not an unlikely thing to find put inside of the ouroboros. 

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

18 minutes ago, RoyalCraftiness said:

This combination of a crook and a diagonal appears with the monad paired in another symbol where it has the meaning of "existens ante elementa" or existence prior to the elements. That's not an unlikely thing to find put inside of the ouroboros. 

What I am dealing with at this moment is I did not even notice, or consider, that the symbol I stared at was contained in a circle, an ouroboros! 🙂

Can't see the forest for the trees...or in my case a single shrub. LOL

 

  • Like 1
  • Haha 1

T A A A A A A A A A A A T
157     www.Light-of-Truth.com     287
<-- 1 8 8 1 1
O 1 1 8 8 1 -->

Link to comment
Share on other sites

For you Yann, or anyone else for that matter, this part of a page below caught my attention and I asked CJ about it.

https://archive.org/details/amphitheatrvmsap00khun/page/n17/mode/2up

image.png.6fa23dd55026b18fd3ac5f60b8bca252.png

Notice the ouroboros with a Dragon. Some guy looking up at it. The same image appears later much more prominent and I missed it too for quite a while!

image.png.82fe32ae9d1fc0963905689d745bbebb.png

Funny how blind I am when I keep trying to tell myself I see just fine! LOL

 

 

  • Like 3

T A A A A A A A A A A A T
157     www.Light-of-Truth.com     287
<-- 1 8 8 1 1
O 1 1 8 8 1 -->

Link to comment
Share on other sites

24 minutes ago, Light-of-Truth said:

For you Yann, or anyone else for that matter, this part of a page below caught my attention and I asked CJ about it.

https://archive.org/details/amphitheatrvmsap00khun/page/n17/mode/2up

image.png.6fa23dd55026b18fd3ac5f60b8bca252.png

Notice the ouroboros with a Dragon. Some guy looking up at it. The same image appears later much more prominent and I missed it too for quite a while!

image.png.82fe32ae9d1fc0963905689d745bbebb.png

Funny how blind I am when I keep trying to tell myself I see just fine! LOL

 

 

Synchronicity !!! 😃 I was taking a look at the book 20 min ago in order to see if the strange monad appeared elsewhere, and I immediatly thought of you when I noticed the Ouroboros on page 34 ! https://archive.org/details/BIUSante_pharma_res005272/page/n33/mode/2up 😊

EDIT :

EGO DRAGO SAPIENTUM

(I am the Wise Dragon)

HIEROGLYPHICON
"Spiritus mundi sapientissimi et secretissimi, quo universa animatur, vivificantur, generantur, regenerantur, ac conservatur"

(The wisest and most secret spirit of the world, by which all things are animated, vivified, begotten, regenerated, and preserved)

  • Like 2
  • Haha 1

image.png.b8c74f56d5551c745119c268cf9d3db8.png

Link to comment
Share on other sites

image.png.e8456d70fce7f9fd92e08f280ae78210.png

https://archive.org/details/BIUSante_pharma_res005272/page/n33/mode/2up

Did you notice the dragon in the air with a pair of glasses and two beams of light pointing to two characters, one of whom is the only character on this page with not a normal head with a hat, nor the head of an animal, but kind of a boar's skin on his head 😃...  BACON next to KHUNRATH ?

  • Like 3

image.png.b8c74f56d5551c745119c268cf9d3db8.png

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I've entertained myself with these pages for a week or two. I've been too busy with work and family to post much or do any digging, but in those few moments in between it's been fun just to look at the imagery.

What a wonderful way to share idea. They knew words would come and go, but pictures last forever.

I can look at ancient engravings completely ignorant of what they mean and make up stories just like I do looking at a sunset or Nature in the wilderness. Maybe a tidbit of Truth slips into my mind if I look at it just right...

image.png.0a1a0ccdf184edef0836066cbb140c0b.png

 

 

 

  • Like 3

T A A A A A A A A A A A T
157     www.Light-of-Truth.com     287
<-- 1 8 8 1 1
O 1 1 8 8 1 -->

Link to comment
Share on other sites

14 minutes ago, Allisnum2er said:

https://archive.org/details/BIUSante_pharma_res005272/page/n33/mode/2up

Did you notice the dragon in the air with a pair of glasses and two beams of light pointing to two characters, one of whom is the only character on this page with not a normal head with a hat, nor the head of an animal, but kind of a boar's skin on his head 😃...  BACON next to KUNRATH ?

I have enjoyed looking at the entire scene wondering what it represents.

image.png.a5cf7ea1c02fcb900edb3d86d1008c71.png

  • Like 2

T A A A A A A A A A A A T
157     www.Light-of-Truth.com     287
<-- 1 8 8 1 1
O 1 1 8 8 1 -->

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Curious that "Khunrath" does not appear in a SirBacon.org search. Mather Walker never mentioned him in his articles? Peter Dawkins?

I suppose that likely means he is not recorded in all those years of Baconiana.

Strange for me since Frances Yates was well aware of who he was accoding to the blogger who wrote the article below the Cave image.

https://archive.org/details/BIUSante_pharma_res005272/page/n19/mode/1up

image.png.987b0f911c99803039eb49fd170c9169.png

The Cave of the Illuminati
Posted on May 20, 2015 by ersjdamoo   

https://ersjdamoo.wordpress.com/2015/05/20/the-cave-of-the-illuminati/

On June 27, 1589, John Dee was visited by a famous Hermetic philosopher, Dr. Henricus Khunrath of Hamburg. Later, in 1609, Khunrath published a book, The Amphitheater of Eternal Wisdom. This book, wrote Dame Frances Yates, “forms a link between the philosophy influenced by Dee and the philosophy of the Rosicrucian manifestos.” An engraving in Khunrath’s book (image above), The Cave of the Illuminati, shows a huge cave with writings on its walls. Initiates of various levels are moving towards the light, the light of illumination. [1]

In 1623, a group of Rosicrucians came to Paris and posted leaflets which described them as the “Invisible Ones” and claimed they had deep secrets of wisdom. At this same time another strange group, the Alumbrados, also arrived in Paris. Alumbrados is Spanish for “the enlightened ones,” i.e., the Illuminati. [2]

Frances Yates connected Francis Bacon with the secret Rosicrucian society in her book, The Rosicrucian Enlightenment, which devotes an entire chapter to Bacon. In Bacon’s book, The Advancement of Learning, learning is described as “illumination”, and Bacon plans for a “fraternity in learning and illumination.” The Advancement of Learning was published in 1605 and Yates considers its suggestive expressions “significant in the context of the times.” (Further background: Annuit Coeptis (He Favors Our Undertakings), Ersjdamoo’s Blog, May 19, 2015.)

 

Starting on page 38 of this 2011 RC Digest is worth a read if you are into this kind of esoteric knowledge.

https://1bd9723bc8b0724b89d9-3657cf458561592fd0c7e3ec3895a19d.ssl.cf5.rackcdn.com/online_digest_hermetism_full_052411.pdf

image.png.004a56d7c8a04906ec240bb9422dd35e.png

  • Like 3

T A A A A A A A A A A A T
157     www.Light-of-Truth.com     287
<-- 1 8 8 1 1
O 1 1 8 8 1 -->

Link to comment
Share on other sites

10 hours ago, Light-of-Truth said:

I have enjoyed looking at the entire scene wondering what it represents.

image.png.a5cf7ea1c02fcb900edb3d86d1008c71.png

The scene is layers deep in symbolism. This sort of representation of characters with funny animals is something that is seen in the Italian Renaissance. The dragon is carrying a pair of spectacles which are apparently lensing some of his wisdom back down onto the gentlemen in question, one of who is also wearing glasses and carrying a book which he is writing in. That character is also carrying a handbag of the sort we see the Gods carrying in the early Proto Indo European culture's depiction of them. The other one is apparently keeping the bugs (pictured as heresy) at bay and maybe putting out the flames which are burning around the natural world's descriptions on the left (the elements ignited by the Sun and moon's actions?). The inscription appears to refer to keeping the untruths at bay with song (carmina). The gentleman to the right has A.B.H  IC (I0?) at the bottom of his coat. Anthony Bacon? That would be funny. Might be related to abhi from the old root for "of both ways". Perhaps these represent ambassadors, a word which uses that root. The point is probably to show something like a divine comedy.

Edited by RoyalCraftiness
  • Like 2
  • Thanks 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, Kate said:

Ah, I didn’t know you were discussing this book on this thread, I’ve just been talking about it on the Monarcicke topic. What a gift this book by Khunrath is. 🙏

Rob and I have been talking about it privately for a while now. I think I first used it to show how 33 was being suggested with Sun and moon in the Hermetic disciplines, a thing you also highlighted. Heinrich Kunrath is the inspiration for the main character, Jonas Kunrath, in the German Netflix series "Dark"--read as "the Ark".  The tattoo worn by one of the characters in that story is the depiction of the mountain that represents the Emerald tablet of Thoth. You have it shown in your post with all the illustrations  which are included in this work. Kunrath is one of those "bright lights" from German Saxony that you' ll find reference to. He was a disciple to an alchemist I studied well when I was in University--Paracelsus. He's in the tradition of German Surgeons, like Michael Maier, who trained and influenced men like Robert Fludd. He was also a noted Kabbalist. Lots in common with John Dee with him. He is credited with being the philosophical bridge between Dee and Rosicruciansim. It makes him someone Bacon would have likely known of.

  • Like 1
  • Wow! 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Light-of-Truth said:

I came across a video on YouTube that discusses this book. I'll try to watch it today.

 

That looks interesting. He's pointing to the Tetractys made up of the tetragrammaton symbols which sum to 72 and have the right side totaling 40 (like the Greek one). Jacob Boehme called this the flaming Trigon. It's picture here:  Tetragrammaton-Tetractys - Tetractys - Wikipedia. It has a very relevant symbolism related to the precession cycle. 25920 years is divisible by 72. It's 360, that number which the sexagesimal numbering system is made to cater to so nicely. Go back far enough and you' ll find the year treated as 360 days out of convenience.  72 is also the number of solar years for the axial tilt plane to precess one degree (of 360 in a cycle). That is something which was observed in Antiquity. 72 was not a number chosen arbitrarily. 

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 hours ago, Light-of-Truth said:

It is a fascinating video. I feel like I got an education! 🙂

EDIT:

There is quite a collection of videos by The Embassy of the Mind that look interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/@EmbassyoftheFreeMind/videos

 

Well, that was fun. He keeps suggesting that Dee's symbol is being used, but it is not quite the Monas depicted by Dee. 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Of course I was well aware every time he mentioned the Dee/Monas connection to these engravings in more than one place.

A College Degree in Western Esoteric Studies? Who knew! LOL

If I were younger, and single...

The good Dr Forshaw made another statement on a symbol I want to bring up after I get done with domestic chores. 😉

 

 

  • Like 1

T A A A A A A A A A A A T
157     www.Light-of-Truth.com     287
<-- 1 8 8 1 1
O 1 1 8 8 1 -->

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
 Share

×
×
  • Create New...