Baconian Acrostics, Anagrams, Monograms, & Secret Signatures, in the Shakespeare Poems & Plays

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Or if we use the first letters as well:

W F T T S W T 
B C S E P T L
N I A I I I I
N O S O M H A
I N I G B N G
G W W I N N Y

F BACON and WTI

 

[Kate]

Ben Ionson is in there too I see but we’d have to use the spare O from the three separate ones if we also kept F. Bacon 

[Kate]

Also, Shakespeare’s birthday today has brought up the retweet of this, from 2020, by the Bodleian today. See the image.

The story attached to it is here from 2016 https://rosbarber.com/bodleian-first-folio/

To my eye/ear this sounds like it’s from the pen of Alexander Pope (?) I think that would fit the timing mentioned in the article above. Dryden was Poet Laureate in 1668, Pope was born in 1688 and died 1744

Just wondering if anyone has looked at this as it appears full of Cipher 

K

Edited April 23, 2022 by Kate Cassidy

[A Phoenix]

                                                                            THE ANAGRAM OF F. BACON IN I HENRY VI AND 2 HENRY VI.

 

                                       Puc. Chang’d to a worser shape thou canst not be:

                                       Yor. Oh, Charles the Dolphin is a proper man,

                                 No shape but his can please your dainty eye.

                                        Puc. A plaguing mischeefe light on Charles, and thee,

                                 And may ye both be sodainly surpriz’d

                                 By bloudy hands, in sleeping on your beds.

                                       Yorke. Fell banning Hagge, Inchantresse hold thy

                                                   tongue.                                       

                                   F. BACON.

[Shakespeares Comedies Histories, & Tragedies. Published according to the True Originall Copies (London: printed by Isaac Jaggard, and Ed. Blount, 1623), p. 115]

                                             [1 Henry VI: 5: 4: 6-12]

 

                                Lieu. First let my words stab him, as he hath me.

                                 Suf. Base slaue, thy words are blunt, and so art thou.

                                Lieu. Conuey him hence, and on our long boats side,           

F. BACON.        

[Shakespeares Comedies Histories, & Tragedies. Published according to the True Originall Copies (London: printed by Isaac Jaggard, and Ed. Blount, 1623), p. 137]

                                                          [2 Henry VI: 4: 1: 67-9]

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Couple things in the first anagram:

Starting on the next line after "Fell..." skipping the italic words, the word "name" is number 67, the Simple cipher of FRANCIS.

"Fairest Beautie" with it's F and B is 136 Simple cipher the same as BACON SHAKESPEARE.

My name is Francis Bacon and Will Shakespeare.

I'm sure there is a Tudor in there as well, and other things. 😉

 

 

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I am a Tudor King.

[Allisnum2er]

Hi everyone !

Thank you A Phoenix, I did not know those anagrams !

And great finding Rob ! 😃

You can even form the name "Will" with "With reverend" and eternall peace"

Francis Bacon tells us that he is WILL TUDOR and that He is a Ghost ! 

https://internetshakespeare.uvic.ca/Library/facsimile/book/Bran_F1/469/index.html%3Fzoom=1200.html

 

 

 

[A Phoenix]

Hi Yann, great spots.

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All I can say is MORE eyes the better!

I consider myself pretty good at seeing what Bacon left, but you Allisnum2er, Yann, are the King.

I saw the minor Bacon, but you saw the Major Bacon right there in our faces! And I missed it!

Bacon is laughing if he is watching! 🙂

Bottom line, "France B". 😁

 

[Allisnum2er]

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That line had my curiosity, yet I did not even know where to start. "What does it mean?" I was lost. 😉

 

 

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Chang'd to a worser shape thou canst not be:

BACON and TUDOR are there.

The remaining letters, "chang to a worse shape h st t e"?

Anagram contains, "A Ghost pens two heartaches",

Simple cipher of A GHOST PENS TWO HEARTACHES is 257 in Simple cipher, the same as FRANCIS BACON (100) plus WILLIAM TUDOR I (157).

The Short cipher is 113, the Day Willy was born and died, April 23.

😉

 

 

 

 

Edited April 24, 2022 by Light-of-Truth

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One anagram A. Phoenix pointed out is contained in these lines:

   Puc. Chang'd to a worser shape thou canst not be:

   Yor. Oh, Charles the Dolphin is a proper man,

No shape but his can please your dainty eye.

   Puc. A plaguing mischeefe light on Charles, and thee,

And may ye both be sodainly surpriz'd

By bloudy hands, in sleeping on your beds.

    Yorke. Fell

There is one word capitalized that is not italic, "Dolphin".

DOLPHIN is 74 Simple cipher, the same as WILLIAM and TUDOR.

Thank you A. Phoenix for offering a treat for us to dig into!

The other I recognize from seeing years past, if I remember right it is surrounded by clues. I have not looked today, but will tomorrow. But I do remember it in the back of my mind...

 

 

 

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My passion, what is fun, even when trying to go to bed soon keeps me going. Thrilling!

A beautiful Bacon acrostic, easy to see.

Is it a "coincidence"? Possible, it does happen. Me, I always look at the context. Does it seem to fit in with an idea? Is the word, "name" anywhere around?

How about, "My name is..."? That always gets me excited. And it happens more often than not. 😉

In this case (I have been here before), it is on the previous page:

https://internetshakespeare.uvic.ca/Library/facsimile/book/SLNSW_F1/491/index.html%3Fzoom=850.html

OK, now what?

I count the words, letters, lines, pages, whatever.

I LOVE MS Word and being able to see "original" text! I copy/paste and use the Review tools.

https://internetshakespeare.uvic.ca/doc/2H6_F1/scene/4.1/index.html

In this case, starting with the line after "my name is Walter Whitmore" counting to and including the word "Base" of Bacon is word 287. There are 33 lines before the one with the "First..."

Coincidence?

My name is F Bacon. Sealed with a 287.

This is when it gets weird, tickling the mind, especially after all these years when one almost expects a connection, and finds it!

The thrill to discover is one thing, but imagine the thrill of hiding these treasures! Who had more fun? Them or us?? LOL

Somewhere I might have some notes on this acrostic from many years ago. I can't remember what else is here, but from what I remember this entire play is riddled with anagrams, acrostics, word and letter counts, and cipher numbers. A story is told, all about Bacon and who he was and his life.

Or maybe all coincidences. 😉

 

 

 

 

[A Phoenix]

                                                                                ANAGRAMS OF BACON AND F. BACON IN JULIUS CAESAR.

 

                                             But what trade art thou? Answer me directly.

                                             A trade, sir, that I hope I may use with a safe

                                             conscience, which is indeed, sir, a mender of bad soles.  

                                                              [Julius Caesar: 1:1: 12-4]

BACON.

                                             Nor airless dungeon, nor strong links of iron,

                                             Can be retentive to the strength of spirit;

                                             But life, being weary of these worldly bars

                                                          [Julius Caesar: 1: 3: 93-5]

BACON.

                                             But for supporting robbers, shall we now

                                             Contaminate our fingers with base bribes,

                                             And sell the mighty space of our large honours

                                             For so much trash as may be grasped thus?

                                                         [Julius Caesar: 4: 2: 75-8]

F. BACON.

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Kate, to follow up on the poem you posted, I took a look. It definitely appears to hold a concealed message, and the arrangement suggests an anagram or acrostic.

I can squeak out an F BACON, and TUDOR could be there, but I'm not seeing much to support it. I looked at numbers, word/letter counts, ciphers etc. One does appear.

If you take all the uppercase letters that are not at the beginning of the lines and add them up you have 287 Simple cipher with the 26letter alphabet which would have been in full use by the time the poem was written (post-Dryden). There could be a Rosicrucian connection. Or a hint at WILLIAM TUDOR I, but I'm not confident at this point without another clue. Maybe.

A S L F S G V E F L S V E N E W S S L L E D S  = 287 Simple cipher with modern alphabet.

The first letters of the lines and the uppercase letters of the script words both add up to 89 Simple cipher with the modern alphabet. But that's not a number that rings a bell. I didn't run into any other cipher numbers that we think of as Bacon signatures.

An Active Swain to make a Leap was seen
Which sham'd his Fellow Shepherds on the Green,
And growing Vain, he would Essay once more,
But lost the Fame, which he had gain'd before;
Oft did he try, at Length was forc'd to yeild
He Stove in Vain , _he had himself Excell'd:
 So Nature once in her Essays of Wit,
 In Shakespeare took the Sheperd's Lucky Leap
 But over-straining in the great Effort,
 In Dryden, and the rest, has since fell Short.

There are 83 words, the Simple cipher of TRUTH. Remove the script words and there are 74 which is the Simple cipher of WILLIAM and TUDOR. So maybe something.

Allsinum2er is better at connecting the references to the Ancients in the plain text. I looked up Shepherds and poked around. That led me to something else I'll post later in a new topic.

Here is an article about the poem and mentions Marlow - Shepherds connection:

https://rosbarber.com/bodleian-first-folio/

 

 

[Allisnum2er]

Great find Rob ! 😃 I think that you are right. 

I have taken a look to the poem , and here are my two cents. There are many ways to make the name "Tudor" appear.

The word "ESSAY" appears two times, and in my opinion this is a reference to FRANCIS BACON'S ESSAYS or

THE ESSAYS OF WIT (WIlliam Tudor)

We have the word "IBIS" in acrostic that can be linked with the "Pillars" of the painting of the Somerset conference (1604)

https://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/portrait/mw00166/The-Somerset-House-Conference-1604

 

Moreover, the word Leap is used two times.

The first one is the 7th word, the second one is the 67th word 

67 is the simple cipher of FRANCIS

67+7=74 and 74 is the simple cipher of WILLIAM and TUDOR

Thus, the two words Leap concealed WILLIAM FRANCIS TUDOR   😊

And we can relate the word Leap to a well known passage of the First Folio :

Not in love neither? Then let us say you are sad,
Because you are not merry: and 'twere as easy
For you to laugh and leap and say you are merry,
Because you are not sad. Now, by two-headed Janus,
Nature hath framed strange fellows in her time:

           The Merchant of Venice Act I scene 1
 

 

Edited April 25, 2022 by Allisnum2er

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Dude, you are amazing!

If you are not a "Dude" as I don't know. Forgive me, but no matter what you See what nobody else can see. And I think of that every day!

🙂

 

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Following on Kate's thread...

Within certainly the first 157 days of learning Bacon was Shakespeare, Alexander Pope's name had come up. Until today I never knew when he actually lived.

The name "Dryden" is familiar, but to me, "Who was that?"

Kate suggested Pope wrote this poem.

If he did, then this is a treasure to give some investigation. It is definitely a poem written by somebody who is leaving a message to the future. They may have never known it would at an online museum, but they knew someone would try to see what they were saying.

When? Early 1700's? Pope's new edited Shakespeare collection was coming out?

Pope knew Bacon was a Tudor.

The first few lines of the poem do not sound like Pope to me about Bacon. That's my question. I am missing something that is possibly obvious.

 

 

 

 

 

[A Phoenix]

IN THE PLAIN TEXT OF THE 1603 AND 1604 TITLE PAGES OF HAMLET WE SEE WRITTEN 'BY WILLIAM SHAKE-SPEARE' BUT FOR THOSE WITH EYES TO SEE WITH THE DEPLOYMENT OF AN ANGRAMMATIC  CRYPTIC DEVICE IF WE READ DOWN THE PAGE IT READS 'BY BACON'.  A FURTHER ANAGRAMMATIC DEVICE IS USED ON THE OPENING PAGE OF HAMLET REVEALING THAT ITS SECRET AUTHOR IS FRANCIS BACON.

[Kate]

On 4/26/2022 at 1:02 AM, Light-of-Truth said:

Following on Kate's thread...

Within certainly the first 157 days of learning Bacon was Shakespeare, Alexander Pope's name had come up. Until today I never knew when he actually lived.

The name "Dryden" is familiar, but to me, "Who was that?"

Kate suggested Pope wrote this poem.

If he did, then this is a treasure to give some investigation. It is definitely a poem written by somebody who is leaving a message to the future. They may have never known it would at an online museum, but they knew someone would try to see what they were saying.

When? Early 1700's? Pope's new edited Shakespeare collection was coming out?

Pope knew Bacon was a Tudor.

The first few lines of the poem do not sound like Pope to me about Bacon. That's my question. I am missing something that is possibly obvious.

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks for looking at this. I’d lay good money it’s written by Pope. He mentions Dryden (Poet Laureate) repeatedly in here

https://www.poetryfoundation.org/articles/69379/an-essay-on-criticism

as well as Maro (which is on Shakespeare’s tomb in Latin - thought to refer to Virgil) and he wrote in the same rhyming style.

He also referred to, or was referred to as(?) The Conscious Swain, and talks regularly about leaps and leaping and shepherds.

So the question is, what is this from the First Folio telling us/conveying? Who lost the fame he had gained before? We know Bacon fell from grace.

Stove should be strove, which possibly points to a number count cipher (?) and 

He had himself excelled

Nature

Wit

Shakespeare

Leap

Dryden

Short

Are all in script (as you pointed out).

I found this interesting 

Pope wrote this in an Essay on Criticism (linked to above)

In which, interestingly, the word Nature is capitalised 

I think we should perhaps scrutinise this poem.

Kate🕵🏻‍♀️

Edited April 27, 2022 by Kate
Typo!

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Could be Pope, great points.

"Stove" may be intentional, it can be a past-tense verb of Stave, or could mean "steamed, smoked, etc."

"He Steamed in Vain,"

 

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/stave

verb (used with object), staved or stove, stav·ing.

to break in a stave or staves of (a cask or barrel) so as to release the wine, liquor, or other contents.

to release (wine, liquor, etc.) by breaking the cask or barrel.

to break or crush (something) inward (often followed by in).

to break (a hole) in, especially in the hull of a boat.

to break to pieces; splinter; smash.

to furnish with a stave or staves.

to beat with a stave or staff.

 

verb (used without object), staved or stove, stav·ing.

to become staved in, as a boat; break in or up.

to move along rapidly.

 

Here is an example of "he stove..." (Here is chapter XXXII of Irish Tales, a novel by Michael Banim (1796-1874)):

 

“Paddy—WHACK!” he shouted. And at the word “Whack,” which surname he assumed for the occasion, he stove in the head of the keg Bridget Scallon had placed on the bench.

 

It's hard for me to get Bacon out of these lines, though:

 

An Active Swain to make a Leap was seen
Which sham'd his Fellow Shepherds on the Green,
And growing Vain, he would Essay once more,
But lost the Fame, which he had gain'd before;
Oft did he try, at Length was forc'd to yeild
He Stove in Vain , _he had himself Excell'd:

 

I may be misinterpreting what he is saying.

 

Question about, "Shakespeare, William and Alexander Pope. The Works of Mr. William Shakespear. In six volumes. Collated and corrected by the former editions, By Mr. Pope. London: Jacob Tonson, 1723-25."

 

Has anyone looked for or found ciphers? I'll poke around Pope today a little...

 

🙂

 

 

 

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https://blogs.ubc.ca/alexanderpopeshakespeare/about-alexander-pope/

It appears this is the engraving on Pope's work and we have discussed it in the past:

https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/object/P_1875-0213-183

 

 

Edited April 27, 2022 by Light-of-Truth

[Kate]

Oh yes, I’d forgotten about that. Thanks Rob. I’ll keep nosing around too.  K

[A Phoenix]

                                                                              THE ANAGRAM OF F. BACON IN MEASURE FOR MEASURE.

 

                                                 (As I Subscribe not that, nor any other,

                                                  But in the losse of question) that you, his Sister,

                                                  Finding your selfe desir’d of such a person,

                                                  Whose creadit with the Iudge, or owne great place,

                                                  Could fetch your Brother from the Manacles

                                                  Of the all-building-Law: and that there were

                                                  No earthly meane to saue him, but that either

F. BACON.

[Shakespeares Comedies Histories, & Tragedies. Published according to the True Originall Copies (London: printed by Isaac Jaggard, and Ed. Blount, 1623), p. 69]

                                                      [Measure for Measure: 2: 4: 89-95]