Allisnum2er Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 (edited) On 10/21/2022 at 3:52 PM, Eric Roberts said: Before calling it a day (it's midnight in Australia) I also found this today. Crollius's 'Basilica Chymica' by Aegidius Sadeler II early C17.pdfNot directly Bacon related... Hi Eric, What an incredible etching of Lord Bacon ! Thank you for sharing ! This is a great discovery !❤️ Rgearding, Basilica Chymica, I remember this image too. My research led me to this book few years ago. And I was intrigued by two details. The first one was that in Basilica Chymica Title page, Lullius looked like Roger Bacon. And the second one was that Roger Bacon looked like ... Christopher Columbus !!! I felt that there was kind of a concealed message related to BACON (FRANCIS) / COLUMBUS. I found a confirmation few days later in another book published 9 years before Basilica Chymica ... Antidotarium Medico-Chymicum Reformatum https://archive.org/details/bub_gb_ZKjK2MTLbo4C/page/n3/mode/2up Edited October 25, 2022 by Allisnum2er 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Roberts Posted October 28, 2022 Author Share Posted October 28, 2022 On 10/21/2022 at 3:40 PM, Eric Roberts said: Has anyone seen this engraving of SFB before? I haven't. It's from the National Portrait Gallery website: https://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/portrait/mw112579/Francis-Bacon-1st-Viscount-St-Alban?LinkID=mp00201&role=sit&rNo=5 I've asked David Saywell at Art Detective (ArtUK) for any information about it. It's obviously very early and looks as though it could have been published during FB's lifetime. It must have been uploaded on the NPG site fairly recently, otherwise I would have seen it when I was working on the portrait gallery. I'm extremely excited about finding it because it clearly represents something hidden behind the curtain that's about to be revealed. I'd be so grateful for any information about this image. Unfortunately, we are still in the dark as to the origins of this etching of SFB drawing aside a curtain to reveal...? Have just heard back from the NPG who know no more about it than we do. The search continues. Dear Mr Roberts Thank you for your email, but I am afraid we have no information about the source of this print. It was acquired in this condition, from an unknown source, and it appears to have been cut from a larger sheet which may or may not have provided details of its original publication. Sadly, many historic portrait prints exist in a similar state and only when one is able to locate an uncut impression can these missing details be filled in. To date, research by National Portrait Gallery curators has not revealed this print’s origin, but if you do ever come across another impression in your own Bacon researches we would be pleased to hear from you. Yours sincerely Paul Cox, Curator, Reference Collection 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light-of-Truth Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 Love a Treasure Hunt! We have two things to seek out; What is behind the curtain, and where did this originate. 🙂 3 T A A A A A A A A A A A T 157 www.Light-of-Truth.com 287 <-- 1 8 8 1 1 O 1 1 8 8 1 --> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allisnum2er Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 (edited) Hi Eric, here is the origin of this engraving. This is a part of the title page of Wecker's "Secrets of Art and Nature" published in 1660. See page for author, CC BY 4.0 <https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0>, via Wikimedia Commons https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Engraved_title_page_to_Wecker's_'Secrets_of_Art_and_Nature..'_Wellcome_L0035108.jpg https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/object/P_1884-1213-36 Edited October 29, 2022 by Allisnum2er 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light-of-Truth Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 6 hours ago, Allisnum2er said: Hi Eric, here is the origin of this engraving. This is a part of the title page of Wecker's "Secrets of Art and Nature" published in 1660. See page for author, CC BY 4.0 <https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0>, via Wikimedia Commons https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Engraved_title_page_to_Wecker's_'Secrets_of_Art_and_Nature..'_Wellcome_L0035108.jpg https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/object/P_1884-1213-36 Yann, you just freaked me out as I am in full Bacon world. My entire past few hours have been swimming in Bacon's Secrets of Natures. Bacon pulled back the veil! I need to look up the other guy(s)! "Dr. Hartley"? 3 T A A A A A A A A A A A T 157 www.Light-of-Truth.com 287 <-- 1 8 8 1 1 O 1 1 8 8 1 --> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allisnum2er Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 Hi Rob ! This is another great Synchronicity ! ❤️ Here is a link to the Book : https://books.google.fr/books?id=wz5AAQAAMAAJ&pg=PP9&hl=fr&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=2#v=onepage&q&f=false 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light-of-Truth Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 Mighty Yann, Allisnum2er, you solved the origin. I spent maybe close to hour myself doing my own special secret search stuff, but nothing. I hoped something would come up. You ARE THE special person I hope for. You not only see, I have a good eye, but you have a vast collection of ancient knowledge that makes you unique. OMG! I just saw another post you did before I sent this! LOL 2 1 T A A A A A A A A A A A T 157 www.Light-of-Truth.com 287 <-- 1 8 8 1 1 O 1 1 8 8 1 --> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allisnum2er Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 Thank you Rob, in fact this is the last post of Eric that helped me and put me on the right track ... "it appears to have been cut from a larger sheet". I wondered if the engraving could be a part of a frontispiece or a Title-page engraved during the 17th or the 18th century. From there, the research led me to the English translation of Wecker's Book. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light-of-Truth Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 I figured it was a frontispiece , I did not consider it was only one side though. The dimensions were odd, i thought maybe I'd search the measurements and see what comes up! 🙂 3 T A A A A A A A A A A A T 157 www.Light-of-Truth.com 287 <-- 1 8 8 1 1 O 1 1 8 8 1 --> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allisnum2er Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 About Dr Harvey, the circulation of Blood and Shakespeare : https://sirbacon.org/owencirculation.htm https://www.britannica.com/biography/William-Harvey William Harvey was the physician of Francis Bacon. Bacon, Harvey and the originators of the Royal Society https://www.jstor.org/stable/75650 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Roberts Posted October 29, 2022 Author Share Posted October 29, 2022 7 hours ago, Allisnum2er said: Hi Eric, here is the origin of this engraving. This is a part of the title page of Wecker's "Secrets of Art and Nature" published in 1660. See page for author, CC BY 4.0 <https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0>, via Wikimedia Commons https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Engraved_title_page_to_Wecker's_'Secrets_of_Art_and_Nature..'_Wellcome_L0035108.jpg https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/object/P_1884-1213-36 Hi Yann. You have solved (in record time) what was a mystery not only to me but to the National Portrait Gallery and Peter Dawkins. So, very well done! I must admit to being a little disappointed with the date of the engraving, which I mistakenly suspected was from Francis Bacon's lifetime. It's wonderful to see the full page, i.e. the visual context of the figure of Lord Bacon, even though the device of the curtains was used, not to reveal a hidden message, but the title of the book. If you don't mind I'd like to send your findings to both Peter and the NPG. They were both keen to know the source of the image. Many thanks. Great detective work! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light-of-Truth Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 "I have oft seene Dr. William Harvey, the new doctor from Padua, at Bartholomew Hospital, in the presence of the learned doctors, force a purple, distilling liquor through the veines of a dead body, and, after it had descended to the heart, liver, and lungs, the blood-coloured liquor returneth againe to the face which blacke and full of blood, or pale, meagre, and bloodless before, doth blush and beautifie, as if with life; you would think the body breathed; the very lippe is warme to look upon; but we are mock’d with art as there is no pulse gainst the finger and though the arteries seem full, yet no life is present. The legs, waist, arms, hands, brow, and limbs seem alive, but we can never ransome nature. The doctor was enrolled at Caius College."-Francis Bacon Yann, check this link, go to the second page. You know, we have fun! LOL Click here for fun First page: ...Here, William Harvey was born on April 1, 1578, twenty years after the first Elizabeth had ascended the throne of England. William was the eldest son... That was exactly 400 years before my "second" birth, April 1, 1978. Trees spoke to me, basically let me know how things are. All about Love, and Life. Hard to explain, beyond words. A while ago I captured this screen shot wondering if I could use it. Thank you, Yann!! 3 T A A A A A A A A A A A T 157 www.Light-of-Truth.com 287 <-- 1 8 8 1 1 O 1 1 8 8 1 --> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light-of-Truth Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 Harvey - Padua? When I hear Padua, I hear John Dee. My programming I guess, just me. Dee-Padua? > Harvey-Padua? > Dee-Harvey? 3 T A A A A A A A A A A A T 157 www.Light-of-Truth.com 287 <-- 1 8 8 1 1 O 1 1 8 8 1 --> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Roberts Posted October 30, 2022 Author Share Posted October 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Light-of-Truth said: "I have oft seene Dr. William Harvey, the new doctor from Padua, at Bartholomew Hospital, in the presence of the learned doctors, force a purple, distilling liquor through the veines of a dead body, and, after it had descended to the heart, liver, and lungs, the blood-coloured liquor returneth againe to the face which blacke and full of blood, or pale, meagre, and bloodless before, doth blush and beautifie, as if with life; you would think the body breathed; the very lippe is warme to look upon; but we are mock’d with art as there is no pulse gainst the finger and though the arteries seem full, yet no life is present. The legs, waist, arms, hands, brow, and limbs seem alive, but we can never ransome nature. The doctor was enrolled at Caius College."-Francis Bacon Yann, check this link, go to the second page. You know, we have fun! LOL Click here for fun First page: ...Here, William Harvey was born on April 1, 1578, twenty years after the first Elizabeth had ascended the throne of England. William was the eldest son... That was exactly 400 years before my "second" birth, April 1, 1978. Trees spoke to me, basically let me know how things are. All about Love, and Life. Hard to explain, beyond words. A while ago I captured this screen shot wondering if I could use it. Thank you, Yann!! "but we can never ransome nature." When will we (Humanity) accept this truth? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light-of-Truth Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 59 minutes ago, Eric Roberts said: "but we can never ransome nature." When will we (Humanity) accept this truth? It won't be 2022, I am sure. We will as a majority eventually, because we have to. Leaders and Fools will kick and scream, but there is no stopping the Truth once it is let out. It is already out, we still see the doomed to fail opposition trying to silence it. Lines 2016 through 2029 of the Sonnets where Bacon laments where the New Atlantis is right now in years 2016 through at least today. THose lips that Loues owne hand did make, Breath'd forth the sound that said I hate, To me that languisht for her sake: But when she saw my wofull state, Straight in her heart did mercie come, Chiding that tongue that euer sweet, Was vsde in giuing gentle dome: And tought it thus a new to greete: I hate she alterd with an end, That follow'd it as gentle day, Doth follow night who like a fiend From heauen to hell is flowne away. I hate,from hate away she threw, And sau'd my life saying not you. 2 1 T A A A A A A A A A A A T 157 www.Light-of-Truth.com 287 <-- 1 8 8 1 1 O 1 1 8 8 1 --> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allisnum2er Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 (edited) 11 hours ago, Light-of-Truth said: "I have oft seene Dr. William Harvey, the new doctor from Padua, at Bartholomew Hospital, in the presence of the learned doctors, force a purple, distilling liquor through the veines of a dead body, and, after it had descended to the heart, liver, and lungs, the blood-coloured liquor returneth againe to the face which blacke and full of blood, or pale, meagre, and bloodless before, doth blush and beautifie, as if with life; you would think the body breathed; the very lippe is warme to look upon; but we are mock’d with art as there is no pulse gainst the finger and though the arteries seem full, yet no life is present. The legs, waist, arms, hands, brow, and limbs seem alive, but we can never ransome nature. The doctor was enrolled at Caius College."-Francis Bacon Yann, check this link, go to the second page. You know, we have fun! LOL Click here for fun First page: ...Here, William Harvey was born on April 1, 1578, twenty years after the first Elizabeth had ascended the throne of England. William was the eldest son... That was exactly 400 years before my "second" birth, April 1, 1978. Trees spoke to me, basically let me know how things are. All about Love, and Life. Hard to explain, beyond words. A while ago I captured this screen shot wondering if I could use it. Thank you, Yann!! Just for fun 😊 ... Yesterday evening ,"Caius College" mentionned by Bacon led me to Dr John Caius that I did not know. The Dr Caius of The Merry Wives of Windsor immediatly came to my mind. It reminded me my take on the 33rd leaf of the First Folio , Act 2 scene 3 ( two 3) with Dr Caius using the expression "By Gar" instead of " "By G-d", Gar meaning "Spear". The Gar rune is the 33rd and last rune of the 33 runes Northumbrian set. https://www.lauriwild.com/post/the-gar-rune-and-the-fabric-of-space-time https://internetshakespeare.uvic.ca/Library/facsimile/book/SLNSW_F1/65/?zoom=1275 Francisco ? hBa ... or Francis Baco - h (Queen mother of consonants) ? f BaCon - Gar He is show his face ! I smiled this morning when I checked your link : And it is probably just a coincidence but a great one ... wag- gar # shake-speare Finally, regarding Wecker's Book, I took a look at pages 157 and 287 yesterday, but also at the 157th page from the Title page ... I am sure that the Bees and the Hive on page 148 will talk to you too ! 😉 Edited October 30, 2022 by Allisnum2er 33rd leaf instead of 33rd page 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Roberts Posted November 15, 2022 Author Share Posted November 15, 2022 Great shot by the Trinity College Photographic Society of the copy of the St Michael's statue @ Trinity College Cambridge You've probably seen this engraving of York House from "Old England's Worthies" before. http://www.urban75.org/london/york-watergate.html 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light-of-Truth Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 Is Bacon looking up the Heavens, or rolling his eyes and "Shaking" his head? Wondering when we Will all get it. Who of we Baconians remembers Allan Gross? (Besides our Master Lawrence G.) He was a true Baconian and contributor to SirBacon.org, a collector of Baconian books, a seeker and promoter of true Knowledge. Somewhere I have a handwritten letter from him, I need to find and photograph it before its too late. 😉 I do have a copy of something I received in the mail in 1998 or early 1999 with his Baconian signature that I cannot find on the vast internet. Missing links and content is active on even another topic today on the B'Hive. BTW, I am NOT "Bob" anymore. LOL I may need to scan this entire book and post it if it has sadly disappeared from the World. (Sir Francis Bacon Peanut Brittle may be gone as I can't find anything fresh available!) Copyright may have expired being over 20 years old if not renewed. Of course I would need to read it again to make sure it is PC. Here is a clip, one of many fun pages. Background is Bacon had a daughter after he left England in 1626. Her name is "Kate". He was alive working in his "Garden" today (1998) with Dr Cyborg in his circle. 1 2 T A A A A A A A A A A A T 157 www.Light-of-Truth.com 287 <-- 1 8 8 1 1 O 1 1 8 8 1 --> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Phoenix Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 (edited) Hi Eric, Just come across a portrait of the Great One in Sir Edwin Durning-Lawrence, Bacon is Shake-speare (New York: John McBride Co., 1910), p. 192 about which we thought we'd ask your expert opinion. The Phoenixes. Edited November 27, 2022 by A Phoenix 1 2 https://aphoenix1.academia.edu/ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrY7wzlXnZiT1Urwx7jP6fQ/videos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light-of-Truth Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 9 minutes ago, A Phoenix said: Hi Eric, Just come across a portrait of the Great One in Sir Edwin Durning-Lawrence, Bacon is Shake-speare (New York: John McBride Co., 1910), p. 192 about which we thought we'd ask your expert opinion. The Phoenixes. I don’t see Van Somer style. But I am on my iPhone at a sports grill eating lunch. 🙂 1 T A A A A A A A A A A A T 157 www.Light-of-Truth.com 287 <-- 1 8 8 1 1 O 1 1 8 8 1 --> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Phoenix Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 Hi Rob, We were saying much the same. 1 https://aphoenix1.academia.edu/ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrY7wzlXnZiT1Urwx7jP6fQ/videos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light-of-Truth Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 16 minutes ago, A Phoenix said: Hi Rob, We were saying much the same. 400 years after Bacon’s life and deciphering Truth today in 4 or 40 hours is a much a mystery as 400 years ago!! 2 T A A A A A A A A A A A T 157 www.Light-of-Truth.com 287 <-- 1 8 8 1 1 O 1 1 8 8 1 --> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Phoenix Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 Hi Rob, There are more revelations on the way-hopefully should be with you in the next day or two! 1 https://aphoenix1.academia.edu/ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrY7wzlXnZiT1Urwx7jP6fQ/videos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light-of-Truth Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 On Thanksgiving Theresa and I met a nice young girl from Theresa's daughter's new in-law family. Maybe 21 years old; pretty, bright, and sharp as a tack. She is going on a 14 day tour soon with a group to England, Wales, Ireland, and Scotland. Stonehenge, Strawberry Fields, etc. are on the agenda. Stratford on Avon did not come up. We connected a bit during dinner on a few topics, she gave me a hug "Nice to meet you!" as we were leaving. I told her in front of everyone, "Always remember, Bacon wrote Shakespeare". Her eyes were like a deer's in headlights. I repeated, "Never forget that, Bacon wrote Shakespeare" as we were heading out the front door, smiling at the poor girl who may never be the same. She may forget what I said in time. She may not go anywhere with it immediately, but I hope it is on her mind on her 14 day British tour coming up. 😉 Theresa's daughter is well aware of my Baconian passion, so if Katie was curious enough to ask after we left, Angie would have told her that Bacon my "thing" in life. 😉 3 T A A A A A A A A A A A T 157 www.Light-of-Truth.com 287 <-- 1 8 8 1 1 O 1 1 8 8 1 --> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light-of-Truth Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 Nov 10, 1565 or Nov 19, 1567? Day 314 or Day 323? Robert Devereux as Bacon's brother was introduced to me very early on in my Baconian travels. I was like, "OK, cool, I accept it." I never took interest much beyond that. Bacon was first. The day Robert was born? I had no reason to think it was not a definite date, never a thought before the other day. By coincidence I am tinkering with genealogy tools to see who we are in our family. England is very good about making and keeping notes as long ago as the 15th and 16th centuries. My Dad's side can trace with a paper-trail back to "Whyte" ancestors in the 1400's. So that Robert D's birth was not recorded for anywhere? Shouldn't it be easy to find? His family is well documented! A mystery. Two possibilities, right? 1: He was born in secret to Elizabeth. They kept it hush, and within his first few years appeared as a Devereux. 2: He was born as a Devereux, but it was not worthy or important enough for attention or even for historical records to be made. I like the 1565 date, but my "OO7" mind is barely into it. It is important for Bacon's story. When was his brother born? Hey, we know who Bacon's mother was, and his birth date can still be researched and the date proven. Baby brother? Elizabeth to "baby daddy", "Francis seemed to get too much attention too fast, let's keep this baby very quiet, as if he never happened." 1 T A A A A A A A A A A A T 157 www.Light-of-Truth.com 287 <-- 1 8 8 1 1 O 1 1 8 8 1 --> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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