Eric Roberts Posted April 12 Author Share Posted April 12 (edited) 5 hours ago, Light-of-Truth said: Thank you!! Pretty much answered my question and more!! That's why we see similar images done over time. Same pin pricked images were what artists and "graphic designers" worked with 400 years ago and I couldn't grasp how they did what they did. Fascinating!!! Explains so many engravings, sometimes reversed. I pictured engravers using a printed page and carving a new engraving by tracing an image. Yet they all are different on some level. If we want to know Bacon, Elizabeth, and anyone else back then we need to understand as much as possible about their lives and how they lived. We see paintings that survive today, knowing that some artist, usually well-known, painted it. We see variations that are similar, copied and even painted by the same artist. It has been a question in my mind for many years how they did it. Now days we take a photo, and can even work with it to create versions. In the time of "Shakespeare" we had no cameras. Yet we had artists and "graphic designers. " I wonder if we as humans live long enough, if our graphic design images today will end up on some beautiful gallery someday? š One of my college projects for Adobe Illustrator 20 some years ago: It's on Google and has been stolen numerous times. But I have the original file and can make into a highway billboard, and even bigger. LOL Ā Ā Love the idea of a giant billboard!!! Needs a caption, though - or a thought bubble. Why don't we move it to the anti-stratfordian cartoon competition topic and invite suggestions? No prizes - only fun... Edited April 12 by Eric Roberts typo 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Roberts Posted April 12 Author Share Posted April 12 My suggestion (addressed to Shaksper): āHeaven truly knows that thou art false as hellā (Othello, Act 4, Sc. 2) Ā Ā 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Phoenix Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 Fascinating thanks Eric and Rob just love this imageā„ļøā„ļø 1 https://aphoenix1.academia.edu/ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrY7wzlXnZiT1Urwx7jP6fQ/videos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Roberts Posted April 12 Author Share Posted April 12 23 hours ago, Light-of-Truth said: Thank you!! Pretty much answered my question and more!! That's why we see similar images done over time. Same pin pricked images were what artists and "graphic designers" worked with 400 years ago and I couldn't grasp how they did what they did. Fascinating!!! Explains so many engravings, sometimes reversed. I pictured engravers using a printed page and carving a new engraving by tracing an image. Yet they all are different on some level. If we want to know Bacon, Elizabeth, and anyone else back then we need to understand as much as possible about their lives and how they lived. We see paintings that survive today, knowing that some artist, usually well-known, painted it. We see variations that are similar, copied and even painted by the same artist. It has been a question in my mind for many years how they did it. Now days we take a photo, and can even work with it to create versions. In the time of "Shakespeare" we had no cameras. Yet we had artists and "graphic designers. " I wonder if we as humans live long enough, if our graphic design images today will end up on some beautiful gallery someday? š One of my college projects for Adobe Illustrator 20 some years ago: It's on Google and has been stolen numerous times. But I have the original file and can make into a highway billboard, and even bigger. LOL Ā I didn't mean to be flippant - this is a very powerful piece of graphic design. And this entire website truly deserves an international design award. I can't believe how much attention to detail has gone into its construction. Everything works beautifully. Thank you Rob. You're a genius! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light-of-Truth Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 I didn't take your reply as flippant at all. And laughed at, āHeaven truly knows that thou art false as hellā . š Busy day today, but might start a "Billboard" thread for fun at some point. Great idea! 2 T A A A A A A A A A A A T 157Ā Ā Ā Ā www.Light-of-Truth.com Ā Ā 287 <-- 1 8 8 1 1 O 1 1 8 8 1 --> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Roberts Posted April 14 Author Share Posted April 14 (edited) Brief Update: Missing FB Portrait, Possibly by Van Somer 1. Emailed Bendor Grosvenor who is an expert in 16thĀ & 17thĀ Century portraits and a group leader on the Art UK website. Sent him the attachment below asking for any advice about how to trace Ella Horseyās picture. 2. Emailed the Findhorn Foundation on their Isle of Erraid website to request a photo of a portrait of Ella Horsey. She wrote a book about her experiences on Erraid called āSeven Years on a Scottish Isletā published in 1967 about her life as a reclusive writer on the island from 1952 ā 1959 when she was in her seventies. She also wrote another book titled āA Chant of Pleasant Explorationā (1962) about living with the grief of losing loved ones. 3. Have tried to access her will and probate records on Gov.UK without success. Nothing comes up. I have written to archivists for assistance in locating her files. LOST PORTRAIT OF SIR FRANCIS BACON BY PAUL VAN SOMER I.pdf Edited April 14 by Eric Roberts typo 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light-of-Truth Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 Thank you Eric! Eventually maybe we'll collect all this B'Hive and 400 years of other information and someone who can write will produce a scholarly article. Maybe we should reach out to PHD majors who are doing there own research to get their degree? We have and own the "Bacon" Truth, but money and popularity we do miss out on. "No pleasure is comparable to the standing upon the vantage ground of Truth." Keeps me going... 3 T A A A A A A A A A A A T 157Ā Ā Ā Ā www.Light-of-Truth.com Ā Ā 287 <-- 1 8 8 1 1 O 1 1 8 8 1 --> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Roberts Posted April 15 Author Share Posted April 15 21 hours ago, Light-of-Truth said: Thank you Eric! Eventually maybe we'll collect all this B'Hive and 400 years of other information and someone who can write will produce a scholarly article. Maybe we should reach out to PHD majors who are doing there own research to get their degree? We have and own the "Bacon" Truth, but money and popularity we do miss out on. "No pleasure is comparable to the standing upon the vantage ground of Truth." Keeps me going... Were he still of this world, Sir Francis would compose a most elegant and meaningful letter of thanks to you both. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light-of-Truth Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 Quote Were he still of this world, Sir Francis would compose a most elegant and meaningful letter of thanks to you both. He just did through you! š Ā 2 T A A A A A A A A A A A T 157Ā Ā Ā Ā www.Light-of-Truth.com Ā Ā 287 <-- 1 8 8 1 1 O 1 1 8 8 1 --> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Roberts Posted April 30 Author Share Posted April 30 (edited) Still in search of the lost portrait of Sir Francis by Paul van Somer which once belonged to author, Baconian and psychic, Ella Horsey. No reply as yet from either Gov.UK regarding her will and probate documents or from Art.UK's senior art detective, Bendor Grosvenor. Meanwhile, I'm reading one of her two books - "A Chant of Pleasant Exploration" (1962) in which she elaborates on her discovery of the portrait. See earlier post. She mentions that the portrait "is one of my most precious possessions" which suggests that she would have retained it until she died in 1982. Today, I found a review of the book I'm reading in Baconiana No. 163, 1963. It mentions that she had a copy of the van Somer portrait made which she donated to the Francis Bacon Society. The copy, either a photograph or an oil painting, was on display in the office of the FBS at Canonbury Tower in Islington. This is odd because according to Wikipedia, the Society's occupancy at Canonbury ended in 1940. The book review written in 1963 (see below) states that the Society was still there over twenty years later.Ā I wonder if Ella Horsey, who was born in Islington in 1885 and lived there until she was in her mid-teens, was aware that Francis Bacon held the lease of Canonbury between 1616-1625 and that very probably he was responsible for planting the ancient mulberry tree that still survives in the hidden courtyard. https://www.moruslondinium.org/research/canonbury-heritage-mulberry I also wonder where the reproduction of Ella's purportedly original van Somer portrait of Francis is today... the FBS archives would seem the best bet, but where are they located? Not in the Senate House Library apparently. Does anyone know the current whereabouts of the Society's famous collection of books, MS and artefacts? Please help if you can.Ā Edited May 1 by Eric Roberts typo 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Phoenix Posted April 30 Share Posted April 30 Hi Eric, if you haven't already, it might be worth contacting Susan Mcilory at FBS. 1 https://aphoenix1.academia.edu/ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrY7wzlXnZiT1Urwx7jP6fQ/videos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Roberts Posted May 1 Author Share Posted May 1 I was wrong. The FBS archive is housed in the Senate House Library after all: https://encore.libraries.london.ac.uk/iii/encore/search/C__SFrancis Bacon society__Orightresult__X0?lang=eng&suite=cobalt No sign of the copy of the picture by van Somer I'm looking for, but I did find a better image of the Senate House portrait on the Art.UK site. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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