Sacred Geometry on Title Pages

[Light-of-Truth]

5 hours ago, peethagoras said:

Original artwork before 1609 Sonnets changes:

1: Hayward, 'Concerning Succession', 1603.

Modified artwork (as in sonnets title):

1: Shakes-peares 'Sonnets', 1609. Title.
2: Drummond, 'Poems', Edinburgh, 1616: "Flowres" Title.
3: Ben Jonson, 'Workes', 1616.

Note: Jonson knew Drummond, in fact, he walked to Scotland to visit him. Both published using Sonnets version header in 1616: same year WS died.

Note: both published seven years after Sonnets. (not counting 1609)
Sonnets (Aspley) title page shows seven lines of text. Seventh line is 'date' 1609: reduces to seven.

Seven rays of light come from head of the little boy:

Note Ben Jonson's son Benjamin died age seven. Could this be his son?

     sonnet 7

  LOe in the Orient when the gracious light, *
Lifts up his burning head,each under eye
Doth homage to his new appearing sight,                       
Serving with lookes his sacred majesty,
And having climb'd the steepe up heavenly hill,
Resembling strong youth in his middle age,
Yet mortall lookes adore his beauty still,    *
Attending on his goulden pilgrimage:
But when from high-most pich with wery car,
Like feeble age he reeleth from the day,
The eyes(fore dutious )now converted are
From his low tract and looke an other way:
   So thou,thy selfe out-going in thy noon:
   Unlok'd on diest unlesse thou get a sonne.

* Line seven word seven gracious begins with seventh of alphabet.

* Line seven word seven "still" another word for dead.

First seven letters of line seven are:  "Yet mort"    ?

Ben Jonson's elegy is called “On My First Son” for his eldest son, who died of  plague in 1603 when he was just seven years old.

1603 to 1609 all the years = seven (counting 1603).

    Here's the little head isolated from the main artwork:

 

The number 7 keeps popping in my world yesterday and today. 🙂

But I am kind of lost in the above thread. Please share what images you are discussing. You can link to images or refer or copy/paste from the thread, etc. The "little head" is familiar of course, but I can't place it anywhere in particular.

I'm lost in my own research hoping to post something tonight, but always eager to be up on what everyone else talks about here.

[Allisnum2er]

57 minutes ago, Light-of-Truth said:

I did scan the thread and am not sure what image you speak about.

Any clues will help me if I can offer anything. 🙂

 

Hi Rob,

I think that Peethagoras talks about this image ...

Hi Peethagoras,

I will answer you that, for me, a Serpent with wings is a DRAGON.😊

And for me, those are Dolphin's Heads. This is very similar to the way Dolphins were portrayed at that Time.

https://collections.lacma.org/node/2279932

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:French_early_16th_Century,_"You_Are_Tying_a_Dolphin_by_the_Tail"_(fol._17_recto),_c._1512-1515,_NGA_86049.jpg

https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/189350

 

 

[Light-of-Truth]

2 hours ago, Allisnum2er said:

And for me, those are Dolphin's Heads. This is very similar to the way Dolphins were portrayed at that Time.

Love the Two Cupids riding Dolphins!

Here are two of my favorites:

And here is another one with two Dolphins:

[Light-of-Truth]

Seeking explanation about Leicester's "mechanical dolphin" of 1575

 

Greenblatt's Will in the World describes elaborate festivities that the Earl of Leicester staged in 1575 for the visiting Queen Elizabeth I:

In the single most extravagant entertainment Leicester staged for the queen during her long stay, a twenty-four-foot-long mechanical dolphin rose up out of the waters of the lake adjacent to the castle. On the back of the dolphin -- in whose belly was concealed a consort of wind instruments -- sat the figure of Arion, the legendary Greek musician, who sang, as Langham put it, "a delectable ditty" to the queen....

Wikipedia's account calls the dolphin a "float", but whether it floated or was borne in a parade like a modern "float", I can't tell.

Of what was such a "mechanical dolphin" constructed? Could it really have borne musicians and wind instruments while immersed in a lake? What lifted it out of the lake?

 

Dolphins have a very long history with our culture. 🙂

For fun, knowing ORION is 67 Simple cipher:

https://internetshakespeare.uvic.ca/Library/facsimile/book/SLNSW_F1/273/index.html%3Fzoom=850.html

[peethagoras]

Hi Rob apologies for non-clarity.

Hi Allisnum2er. One man's  snake is another man's dragon. (That's a sηake-speare quote 😄

 

Genesis 3:14,

So the LORD God said to the serpent, 'Because you have done this, cursed are you above all the livestock and all the wild animals! You will crawl on your belly and you will eat dust all the days of your life.

From this passage one can only be left with the notion that the serpent was at first able to walk or fly.

Genesis 3:15

I will put enmity between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and her offspring;
he shall bruise your head,
and you shall bruise his heel.”

In my opinion, this is what the original sonnets title artwork contains: a serpent biting the heel and being injured in return.

Revelation 12:9 and 20:2 both describe Satan as a serpent. "He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years" (Revelation 20:2). "The great dragon was hurled down, that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him" (Revelation 12:9).

       Snakes with wings are a type of dragon known as an Amphiptere

An Amphiptere; meaning bi-winged,is a type of winged serpent found in European heraldry.

Amphiptere by Edward Topsell (1608). The History of Four-Footed Beasts and Serpents (Woodcuts), published in 1658.

As for that "dolphin": the grotesque beast shown in the sonnets ornamental headpiece is constructed from vegetation, one can link the garden of Eden with these beasts, and also to the serpent-dragons and Genesis chapter 3.

The sonnets beasts have legs by the way, also ears, and a tail which ends in a flower head.  Dolphins have none of these.

If they really were meant to be dolphins, what are those tongue-like things?

 

 

[Light-of-Truth]

2 hours ago, peethagoras said:

The sonnets beasts have legs by the way, also ears, and a tail which ends in a flower head.  Dolphins have none of these.

If they really were meant to be dolphins, what are those tongue-like things?

I sure don't know, but dolphins in Bacon's time don't look much like real dolphins. This one is from 1579:

https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8608301g/f246.item

It is similar to the ones in the headpiece 1607:

https://www.loc.gov/resource/rbctos.2017gen58402c2/?sp=33&r=0.213,0.102,0.409,0.329,0

[peethagoras]

There is certainly a good resemblence to that dolphin, at least in the face, bu what about those legs?

Or am I seeing it all wrong?

 

 

 

 

[Light-of-Truth]

1 hour ago, peethagoras said:

There is certainly a good resemblence to that dolphin, at least in the face, bu what about those legs?

Or am I seeing it all wrong?

I see fins or waves, but that's just me.

Dolphins in heraldry have a funny look to them. I live in Florida where we can see dolphins every day if we want. They don't look like the engravings. LOL

https://www.businessinsider.com/powers-of-queen-elizabeth-ii-swans-dolphins-longest-reign-2015-9

 

[RoyalCraftiness]

On 3/21/2023 at 11:08 AM, Light-of-Truth said:

I sure don't know, but dolphins in Bacon's time don't look much like real dolphins. This one is from 1579:

https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8608301g/f246.item

It is similar to the ones in the headpiece 1607:

https://www.loc.gov/resource/rbctos.2017gen58402c2/?sp=33&r=0.213,0.102,0.409,0.329,0

The distinction between a dolphin and a whale may not have been that great to those who were depicting sea creatures they had never seen. Some species that we call whales (typically with short teeth) are dolphins, i.e. Orcas. Orcas are known to stick out their tongue at humans.  The word merswin(e) for dolphin captures the etymology of "pig of the sea". Bacon may have liked the swine as a symbol. Anatomically speaking, the dolphin is a sea creature with a womb, so there's a similarity to humans in the way they reproduce. The king of the seas is the whale. The small whale (mereswine) probably took on the meaning of prince because of it. England had its prince of Wales. France had its prince of whales, the "dauphin". If Bacon actually called himself a dauphin because he was a prince then he was a French prince who was born to Elizabeth's sister. You can read all about theories that incorporate these ideas, because they do exist. Anything imaginable seems to exist to be found. The human minds are trying out of the possibilities and love syllogism. 

The three fishes is a symbol that is found in Egyptian and Celtic culture. In Egyptian is represents the unity of consciousness with the Sun God. In Celtic (the triquetra) it is akin to the Christian holy trinity.

There is a suggestion of one man issuing from two merswine and emanating from the trinity. The squirrels here are excellent universal symbols of playfullness, diligence and resourcefulness. They typically hide their food for later retrieval.

A pair of whales is a symbol for the vastness of the cosmos (microsome and macrosome). It sometimes wants to mean wisdom and power.  In religion they have carried the meaning a holy creature and of symbolizer of evil (i.e. in Christianity). On a Baconian voyage to the New World we can imagine a meaning using both takes.  The trip would take you beyond the pillars (from the known) into the treacherous waters that represent the forces of nature that need to be tamed by man in his coming out of his darkness.

 

Edited August 20 by RoyalCraftiness

[Kate]

I've been on this forum for so long now that I really can't recall what I wrote a couple of years ago. Also views shift and change over the years. However, I'm posting this now just so forum readers can play around with it. Personally, I no longer think there is sacred geometry in the dedication to the Sonnets. If there is anything I think it's some form of cipher and I explored the Biliteral cipher in a past video which did yield a strong Baconian/Brotherhood result. I say both because 33 could be Bacon or the entire Brotherhood/Invisible College.

I just did a post on X  about the dedication as it somewhat irks me to still see so many Oxfordians falling for this 624 nonsense about the shape of the dedication. They think that means it says in code: Edward (6) de (2) Vere (4). As I've shown before with lined paper though, if it is divided into three, it is definitely not to 624 (the spacing is all wrong)  but it can be divided to 534...

These are the numbers associated with the pentagon, triangle and square and add to 12 which reduces again to 3, but they are also the numbers in the 345 triangle which forms the basis of the all-important 47th Proposition. In my book I explain why this has such mystical importance.  Infact it is possibly next to the basic shapes of circle, triangle, square etc,  and the Triple Tau, THE most important symbol.

 

 

John Dee wrote the preface to the first ever translation from Latin to English of Euclid's Elements where the 47th is.

If you take this shape and lose the background, (just upload it to paint and press remove background,) you can line it up and see if there is any code that jumps out when it is placed over the front page of the Sonnets or the Dedication or anywhere else. I tried very briefly but found nothing. This may be one for Yann.

As I say I am sceptical about this but not about number and letter codes, and 345 is hugely important. I need to check if 534 has any importance as a whole number or using different Gematria systems. If anyone knows so please chip in.

 

Edited Monday at 04:43 PM by Kate

[RoyalCraftiness]

There's an almost limitless way to interpret the dedication if everything on that page is taken to be a potential symbolic clue in an almost infinite amount of possible manipulations of them. What is shown that is most basic is even debatable.

It's on one hand a very overt representation of 81 (words) BY 64 (words)

81 x 64 =25920 which is the ancient length of the precession cycle (great year) in solar years that is echoed in the Dwapara Yuga unit of 2592 which was used for Indian astronomical calculations. It is extremely close to the 25960 that is generally used today (differing by one additional period of 40 years which itself is echoed as a of feature Daniel's Biblical End Times prophecy).  A prescribe repetition of Tau cycles + one 40 year addition is the basis for that calculation. 

Both 81 and 64 are squares, of 9 and 8. 9x8=72 which is necessarily evocative of the 5 pointed star geometry.

9 is the most crucial of the pointed stars in the subdivision of the circle. We have seldom spoken of it except to mention that it (and its jewel) is associated with the ritual of the elevation of the 33rd degree Mason. There is no way to construct it by compass and straight edge alone. It would yield 40 (4T) degrees geometrically prcisely if one could. This is a property that is shared by the trisecting of an angle and the squaring of the circle's impossibility. This is what makes these have a flavor of being "other worldly". Unattainable keys to unlocking the master geometrical plan to a mind hell bent on including a geometrical architect as a creator...

The nine pointed star is necessary for the creation of a circle divided in 360 one degree units. Since the angle between each point in that polygon can be bisected, the 40 degree hard angle can be reduced to 20 and 10 geometrically (10 degrees in the 36 pointed star). The five pointed star's hard angle of 72 degrees bisects into 36, 18 and 9 degree angles (9 in the 40 pointed star). The difference between the 10 and the 9 degree angle when the two geometries are superimposed upon the same center is the representation of one degree of arc which can be used to adjust the compass and walk around the circle to produce 360 subdivisions. The smallest polygon which unlocks the 360 degree circle is the nonagon, and it can only be approximated in construction methods by using the 5x8 rectangle's diagonal (built geometrically with the Fibonacci spiral). That rectangle's diagonal has a elevation of 32.005 degrees. It can be geometrically bisected twice to give 16.0025 and 8.00125 degree angles. The 32.005 and 8.00125 can then be added by setting the compass to each. That yields 40.00625 degrees. It allows for the construction of a very approximate nonagon that will allow for an indexing which is precise enough to visually satisfy anyone's desire to be able to measure in units of one degree + an estimate of one half degree. This is essential for precise navigation and celestial measurements. 

Almost all of Masonry measurement is based in 9, with 81 being of the utmost importance. The geometry is something we've discussed. The angles in the compass and square all sum to 9, and they are all coming out of the square of side unit 27. 

At the core, this is all developing from 3. 

One could say that this is about 3:4:5, but that doesn't reveal any great empiric secret that wasn't already well known. How to divided the circle in 360 to allow for quantitative precision is another matter. 

IMO, there's plenty of evidence that we are dealing with a theme of star sighting and compass guiding in this empiric "mystery". In no place whatsoever can one deduce that Bacon wrote Shakespeare out of geometry or number. The only way to maintain that it is possible is to invoke gematria which is not decodable.  It really depends on what you want to achieve. If one wants to show what is potentially revealed empirically one is limited in his interpretations to things which may have no interest to Shakespeare authorship hopefuls.

1 degree of sighting is 60 nautical miles in navigation.  The great project of Tudor times was to get the measurement of latitude, and possibly of longitude, to within fractions of one degree. That cannot be achieved unless one can index a reference circle in 360 and faithfully build instruments with that standard.  The way to the initial precision (a chicken and egg problem in terms of building machines) is by geometrical construction of large scale circles on very flat reference planes which can have the angles geometrically bisected precisely on a large scale. The first indexing machines capable of this date to this time. This is the necessary precursor to the industrial age. They allowed for celestial measurements that unlocked the motion of the visible bodies.

For the conspiracy theorists it will always be about finding the number that means Bacon wrote Shakespeare. There is no such number combination that doesn't require an essential sales job first.

[Light-of-Truth]

4 hours ago, RoyalCraftiness said:

The nine pointed star is necessary for the creation of a circle divided in 360 one degree units. Since the angle between each point in that polygon can be bisected, the 40 degree hard angle can be reduced to 20 and 10 geometrically (10 degrees in the 36 pointed star).

Where did I hear about the enneagram many years ago?

Something is ringing very familiar with me and its been so long that I am not remembering yet what it is! LOL

EDIT: Funny how chapters come and go! It was Gurdjieff who I was reading during a same period in my early Baconian quest when the design made itself known to me. It was not necessarily connected with my Baconian path, yet seemed to be parallel to it for sure. Now I wonder how close they actually were.

[RoyalCraftiness]

3 hours ago, Light-of-Truth said:

Where did I hear about the enneagram many years ago?

Something is ringing very familiar with me and its been so long that I am not remembering yet what it is! LOL

EDIT: Funny how chapters come and go! It was Gurdjieff who I was reading during a same period in my early Baconian quest when the design made itself known to me. It was not necessarily connected with my Baconian path, yet seemed to be parallel to it for sure. Now I wonder how close they actually were.

The five pointed star, it's 72 degree relation and the larger star polygons created by bisecting the hard angle:

The large 40 pointed star shows the 9 degree separation of points. All the interesting Masonic angles are on this wheel. I will call attention to 153 and it's opposing 333 degree value. 

There's no way to keep bisecting to get to one whole degree.

By building the nonagon one accesses these angles:

The 36 pointed star arrived to by repeated bisection of the 9 pointed star would have its points separated by 10 degrees. By overlapping the two circles one can represent the 9 and 10 degree gradations which give 1 degree of arc difference.

A square limits you to 45 and 90 degree subdivisions of the circular quadrant. A pentagon and its subdivisions allows 9, 18, 27, 36, 45...90. A hexagon gives 15, 30, 45, 60, 75 and 90. An octagon to 45, 90. A nonagon to 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35,40, 45....up to 90.

The difference of one degree can only be achieved using the pentagonal geometry and the nonagonal one.

That one can very closely estimate the nonagon's 40 degrees with the help of a 5 x 8 rectangle is kinda neat since 5x8=40. It' s one of the eerie coincidences that arise in the decimal numbering system where we define a circle to have 360 degrees. Tan (5/8)=32.005. That's quite fortuitous. It may fortuitous enough for some to suggest a special meaning in knowing the unknowable 40 degrees.