Luis Quirino

I admire the amount of work you've put into the 14-Tiered Pyramid, but sometimes it's a bit too dense for me. Anyway, I enjoy studying the structure you've found, but I'm still not sure about the relative importance of all the 157's and 287's we can find in the 11- and 14-letter ciphers in the Sonnets. And the reason why I say this is because, mathematically speaking, some of those matches will be inevitable, considering that we're working with the Simple, Reverse, Short and Kaye ciphers (i.e. ciphers with relatively low values). Take an example with the Illuminati cipher: The 11-letter cipher of Sonnet 141 (="Francis Bacon" in the Illuminati cipher) adds to 157 in the same cipher, and its first two letters are "FB" (the full cipher is "FBWNNNTBDWT"). Even though this looks too good to be true, the fact is that this match could have occurred naturally. But then — how can we know for sure when a numerical match is a natural coincidence rather than a man-made coincidence, or vice-versa? That's why I'm in love with Gematria — but somehow, I'm also extremely skeptical about it. This, of course, isn't intended to be an attack on your work. Quite on the contrary, it's with innovating ideas like yours that sometimes we can find many wonderful patterns, or even encoded things that are "hidden in plain sight". Please don't take me wrong! 😅 If your work has shown you some good results, then please don't stop it! P.S.: Have you noticed that "UNITED COLONIES" sums 157 in the Simple cipher?

In fact, that question was precisely the latest thing I (briefly) talked about in my blog: On ciphers, probabilities, and the search for "meaningful matches" Which means that, like you rightly said, any cipher will always deliver "meaningful" matches, and we will be able to "prove" anything we want — even something that is plainly wrong or is impossible. However, in this case I do think there are strong points in favor of my theory/suspicion, since the only mottos having exactly 13 letters add to 169 (or 13x13) in the Illuminati cipher — a result that, though not impossible to recreate with other ciphers, seems to be a little above what we would consider a mere coincidence of values. If there was any encoding process involved in the creation of the Great Seal of the United States, it would have to be supported by many different factors, and my theory seems to conform to this. Anyway, I don't consider the numerical matches I've found to be "proof" of anything, since we cannot prove any claim through "meaningful matches" alone — and that's precisely why I'm looking for the origin of this cipher, and if it was technically possible for that cipher to have been used to encode information in the Great Seal.

Thanks for your wise and very detailed response. I'm aware of the "meaning creation" mechanism you speak of. In fact, many secret societies create their own fancy stories of oldness in order to attract possible future candidates or followers, even though, as you said, it is only a 'mask'. Secret societies, esoteric movements and religions / religious cults have always done the same. However, what I'm trying to do here is to show, through experimentation and verification, in which ways the numerical cipher of the Illuminati may (or may not) have been used to encode secret references into the 1 Dollar bill. Because... fancy stories aside, the fact is that any encryption process is real and can be "reverse engineered" if we know the right key(s) to unlock or decrypt it. So in this case, if the numerical cipher of the Illuminati was used to encode information in the Great Seal of the United States, that would a ground-shaking discovery because it would show that there are parts of history that are not the way we are being told, and maybe more "pieces" of the "puzzle" could be discovered from that conclusion. So... even though you're right when you talk about the creation of meaning, and (for example) the wearing of symbols in order to 'prove' (as it were) someone else's story, my purpose is a bit more "pragmatic": what I wish to find is not some "meaning" in all this, but in fact I intend to find the historical origins of this cipher (assuming that Weishaupt didn't create it by himself), and if it could have been used to encode information in the Great Seal. Unfortunately, at this time I have no way to actually verify this hypothesis, so that's the main reason why I'm sharing my theory in this forum. Maybe people with more information than me will be able to find something that I've been looking for, at least, during 15 years. Thanks again for your excellent reply. 🙂

Actually... that was something I did in the past, but I never duly explored it. 😁 I also didn't add it to the calculator, even though I added another experimental cipher called "Illuminati Reverse". To be honest, I still don't know why I did it, because I still don't feel compelled to use it (I mean, the "Illuminati Reverse" cipher) but a modern version of the Illuminati cipher would definitely be something to play with a bit more deeply. I believe this would match your idea for a modern version of the cipher: Using this cipher: "MINERVA-ATHENA" = 157 = "W. SHAKESPEARE" = "ROSIE CROSSE" = "SOLOMON'S TEMPLE" "MINERVA-ATHENE" = 153 (the 17th triangular number) = "FRANCIS BACON" = "NEWFOUNDLAND" These are just two random examples, but you can easily add that cipher to the calculator by going to the "Features" menu -> "Edit Ciphers", and then add your own ciphers. In order to keep those ciphers so that you don't have to add them each time you open the calculator, simply save the settings in the "Export" menu -> "Save". It will save all the settings you have in the calculator (ciphers colors, etc), including the ciphers you added. In any case, I will seriously ponder the possibility of adding that cipher to the calculator as well. Generally I am very skeptical about using experimental ciphers to "decode" things, but... who knows? 😋 * * * About the Illuminati cipher and the 1 Dollar bill: It's still such a deep enigma for me! I wouldn't know where to start. In order to get a clear solution to this problem, we would need to know: (1) all the people who were involved (openly and secretly) in the creation of the Great Seal of the United States; (2) what were their "affiliations" in terms of secret societies; (3) if those secret societies were involved with the Illuminati, and/or with Rosicrucianism, and/or if they followed the same steps for a Baconian "Grand Plan". The problem is: I know nothing about this! But anyway, I will do my homework, and I will gladly share any facts I may find. 🙂

Considering the possibility that the Illuminati cipher could have been used to encode secret references in the Great Seal of the United States, there are a series of questions that deserve to be asked: — Was there anyone using that cipher when the Great Seal was designed? Considering the information given by Terry Melanson that the Illuminati only began using that cipher after some of its members (Weishaupt included) started joining Masonic lodges — then was there anyone using that cipher as early as 1782, or even earlier? And who exactly was using it? — It would be possible that the cipher was being used in certain Masonic lodges before the Illuminati started using it. However, who would then be responsible for all the encoding process in the Great Seal of the United States? And what would that imply, exactly? — Would it be possible that the numerical cipher of the Illuminati was the "final piece" of the Baconian 'puzzle'? And would that imply that, somehow, the Illuminati also followed some kind of Baconian "Grand Plan"? I believe they did, even though their methods were extremely radical (which eventually led to their downfall). Never forget that Thomas Jefferson, one of the Founding Fathers of the United States, considered Bacon, Locke and Newton the "three greatest men that ever live" (source), while in a correspondence with Bishop James Madison he calls Weishaupt an "enthusiastic Philanthropist". Any thoughts on these questions, or any other question you would like to post? By the way, if anyone is looking for a serious book for studying the Bavarian Order of the Illuminati, their doctrines and rituals, I highly suggest "The Secret School of Wisdom", published by Lewis Masonic. It's an expensive book — but you absolutely must read it if you want to understand the Illuminati from their own words.

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How curious would it be, then, if I told you that "ILLUMINATUS!" (=115=5×23, using the same cipher) was precisely what opened the way to my Baconian studies? And I forgot to mention one thing in the first post: 141 letters on the reverse of the 1 dollar bill = "FRANCIS BACON" = "NEW ATLANTIS" = "NEWFOUNDLAND" (remember that Newfoundland stamp?)

Sure! The text I quoted is just a footnote, but the main text that footnote refers to is this: In fact I forgot to mention the original source of the numerical cipher, Einige Originalschriften des Illuminatenordens, where the cipher appears like this: "The well-known cipher of the Order of the Illuminati" There are slight variations of this cipher where some letters seem to have been exchanged, as in Der Ächte Illuminat: Comparing these two cipher tables, some details can be noticed: namely that (1) "Z" and "X" seem to have been exchanged in the second table, and (2) the letter "V" is given the value 21, while in the first table it would be given the value 20, according to the traditional tables for the 24-letter alphabet. In fact, after searching the publicly available documents of the Illuminati and looking through many instances of ciphered words/phrases, I noticed a consistent pattern in which "U" and "V" were always given the value 20, "W" was given the value 21, and "X" and "Z" were given the values 22 and 24, so it is the first table that should be taken as reference for the cipher of the Illuminati. Anyway... there's something else about this second table. 🧐 Notice the middle column: in the Illuminati cipher, the letters "C-B-A-N-O" have consecutive values, since the first half of the alphabet follows a reverse numerical order. How curious is that?!

Dear Friends, In this new topic I will talk about something that may be a bit controversial: the numerical (cryptographic substitution) cipher that was used by the Bavarian Illuminati. I recently started a thread on Twitter about this subject, but as Twitter puts limits on the size of the posts, it isn't always the best way to communicate our ideas, particularly if we have many things to say about it and we don't have that blue checkmark in front of our username. 😅 So... here it goes. In 2008 I found that the Bavarian Illuminati used a curious cryptographic substitution cipher (in their "Novice" degree) in which the letters of the alphabet were replaced by their corresponding values, so that a word, name or phrase could be concealed from the uninitiated. For example, the name "Spartacus" (Weishaupt's alias in the Illuminati Order) would have been written as "18.15.12.17.19.12.10.20.18." using this cipher. (From "A History of Secret Societies" by Arkon Daraul) As you may have noticed, this cipher is adapted to the Elizabethan English alphabet with 24 letters (since I=J and U=V). According to Terry Melanson in "Perfectibilists - The 18th Century Bavarian Order of the Illuminati", page 230: «This cypher might very well have been composed solely in the mind of Weishaupt, but the similarity to a known Rosicrucian cypher used by Francis Bacon, and his "Rosicrosse Literary Society", is too close to ignore. It seems to be a cross between the "Simple Cypher" and the "Kaye Cypher" (1) (see "Numerological Cypher Chart" at SirBacon.org, URL: http://www.sirbacon.org/links/doddnum.html). Perhaps it was used in Freemasonry as well, for the Illuminati were not using the cypher until after its members — Weishaupt included — began joining Masonic Lodges.» (1) In my view it would be more correct to state that it seems to be a cross between the "Simple" and the "Reverse" cipher, since in the cipher of the Illuminati the first half of the alphabet (A-M) follows a reverse order, while the second half (N-Z) follows the simple/ordinal sequence. When I found this cipher I was amazed to know that no one was using it. I mean... at that time I was reading so many theories about the "evil Illuminati who control the world", while at the same time I thought it was more than surprising that no one, not even the most ferocious conspiracy theorists, were giving it the slightest attention. There were many rumors that the Great Seal of the United States contained "Illuminati" symbology as well, and yet, no one was trying to "decode" it with the numerical cipher of the Illuminati. How strange was that? So I had this 'rebellious' thought, even though I was always extremely skeptic about most theories about the Illuminati: "dammit, no one is talking about this cipher — how about if I use it to decode the mottos and phrases contained in the Great Seal?". I say this was a 'rebellious' thought for the simple reason that the numerical cipher of the Illuminati was never used — as far as I know — as a cipher of Gematria, adding the values of the letters in a word or phrase, but as a cryptographic substitution cipher, replacing the letters by their corresponding values. However, that was precisely what was the most tempting about this cipher. What would happen if we used it as a cipher of Gematria? So I gave it a try. And I was completely overwhelmed with what I saw. 👀 There's an immensity of 13's in the Great Seal of the United States: — 13 stars above the eagle; — 13 steps on the pyramid; — 13 letters in "ANNUIT COEPTIS"; — 13 letters in "E PLURIBUS UNUM"; — 13 vertical bars on the shield; — etc. You get the idea. Now... only two mottos in the Great Seal have exactly 13 letters. And coincidentally, their value according to the Illuminati cipher is 169, or 13×13. — "ANNUIT COEPTIS" (13 letters) = 169 = 13×13 — "E PLURIBUS UNUM" (13 letters) = 169 = 13×13 The motto "IN GOD WE TRUST" has 12 letters and sums 168. That motto is exactly above a large "ONE" at the centre of the reverse of the 1 Dollar bill, and if we add "ONE" (i.e. 1) to 12 and 168, we will have 13 and 169, which is 13×13. There are exactly 13 instances of the letter N in the reverse side of the 1 Dollar bill, and in the Illuminati cipher, "N"=13: Count all the letters on the reverse side of the 1 Dollar bill: — "THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA" = 24 letters — five times the word "ONE", one at each corners and one at the centre = 15 letters — "ONE DOLLAR" = 9 letters — "IN GOD WE TRUST" = 12 letters — "ANNUIT COEPTIS" = 13 letters — "NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM" = 17 letters — "MDCCLXXVI" = 9 letters — "THE GREAT SEAL" = 12 letters — "OF THE UNITED STATES" = 17 letters — "E PLURIBUS UNUM" = 13 letters Total sum: 24+15+9+12+13+17+9+12+17+13 = 141 Apparently there wouldn't be anything of interest to say about this number, if we would limit ourselves to associate any of this to the Bavarian Illuminati only. And that's precisely where it gets interesting. In fact, I only started studying the works of Francis Bacon, the Shakespeare authorship question, and Rosicrucianism, after I found the Illuminati cipher and applied it to the Great Seal of the United States. Besides, there's a whole riddle around the life of Sir Francis Bacon, Rosicrucianism and the Illuminati that I find most curious: — Athena Parthenos, the Virgin Spear-Shaker; — Elizabeth I, the Virgin Queen; — All the numerical codes connecting Bacon, Shakespeare and Athena; — The use of "Athenian" (i.e. related to Athena) symbolism by Bacon, Rosicrucians, the Illuminati, etc. — The US "Statue of Liberty", which officially represents Libertas, the Goddess of Freedom, but I suspect that has a strong connection to Athena, the Goddess of Reason; — The Georgia Guidestones, with its anonymous Rosicrucian "sponsor" (R. C. Christian) and its mentions to an "Age of Reason"; — Bacon's Great Instauration, related to the all-important process of the Perfectibility of Man; — All the Baconian-inspired symbolism in Freemasonry; — The connection of the USA to Bacon's New Atlantis... Eventually, studying the works of Francis Bacon also led me to an inevitable conclusion: what if there were traces of a Baconian-Rosicrucian-Illuminati "conspiracy" to make the United States the "New Atlantis", and those traces could be found with the numerical cipher of the Illuminati? Just think a bit about it: the Illuminati used a cipher that was a cross between the Baconian "Simple" and "Reverse" ciphers, so why not using it in this same context? So what makes the number 141 relevant in this case? It is in fact extremely relevant, for the simple fact that, applying the Illuminati cipher, it matches the value of "FRANCIS BACON", "NEW ATLANTIS", and also... "LET THERE BE LIGHT". (!!!) * * * In my Baconian studies, I also found that there was a Newfoundland stamp which reads "Lord Bacon - The Guiding Spirit in Colonization Scheme". Curiously, this is a postage stamp corresponding to Six Cents — which reminds me Lord Bacon's ultimate goal of the Perfectibility of Man through a mention to the Six Days' Work in New Atlantis. Remember that, in mathematical terms, 6 is often called a "perfect" number. Note too that there are two numbers "6" and one word "six" (in "Six Cents"). Maybe there's nothing to this, but... at this time I'm not quite sure of anything. 😅 Also: "GUIDING SPIRIT OF COLONIZATION SCHEME" has 33 letters (="BACON" in the Simple cipher) and sums 349 in the Illuminati cipher, matching the value of "FAMA FRATERNITATIS ROSAE CRUCIS". Likewise, "LORD BACON" adds to 102 which matches "GREAT SEAL". As for 157's and 287's that I found with the Illuminati cipher, I'll leave just a few: — "VIRGINIA COMPANIE" = 157 ("companie" is the old spelling of "company" in Elizabethan English) — "SALOMON'S HOUSE" = 157 (as it is spelled - amongst a variety of other alternative spellings - in Bacon's "New Atlantis") — "UNITED STATES OF ATLANTIS" = 287 (a play on words, viewing the U.S.A. as Francis Bacon's New Atlantis) And as a bonus... note that in the United States' Declaration of Independence, in the paragraph starting with "We, therefore" there are three phrases that are written with a different letter type: — "WE, THEREFORE" = 132 = "SIX, SIX SIX" = "NEW JERUSALEM" — "UNITED STATES OF AMERICA" = 252 = "PERFECT, PERFECT, PERFECT" — "FREE AND INDEPENDENT STATES" = 287 (nothing to add!) What are your opinions about this? Too paranoid? LOL. Or did you see any value in these findings? L.G.

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Using the usual model of the Standard cipher for the Elizabethan English alphabet (from A=1 to Z=600) also yields some curious results, namely: GEOMETRY = 777 GEOMETRIA = 287 (a Baconian-Rosicrucian Seal number) BACON = 96 (Remember Bacon's 96 inquisitions in his Abecedarium Naturae ?) MINERVA = 365 (The number of days in a common year) Anyway, as it is expected, it's far more difficult to find "significant matches" with these ciphers (which have larger values) than with, say, the Simple or Reverse ciphers. So these "matches" aren't intended to "prove" that these ciphers may be relevant in a Baconian context — only that they seem to deliver some curious synchronicities or correspondences. What's your opinion about this?

Hey everyone, Roughly since 2020, when I started studying Francis Bacon, Shakespeare, and the Rosicrucians, I obviously had to start studying the ciphers I was reading about: namely the Simple cipher (from A=1 to Z=24), the Reverse cipher (from Z=1 to A=24), the Kaye cipher(s), and also the "Reduction" ciphers (basically the reduction of the values of the letters to a single digit). However, I always felt that there were at least two ciphers missing: the "Standard" or "Extended" ciphers, which attribute values to the letters in "decimal scales", similarly to Hebrew Gematria and Greek Isopsephy: first the units (1-9), then the tens (10-90), and then the hundreds (100-900). I looked into Gustavus Selenus' Cryptographiae et Cryptomenytices, Trithemius' Steganographia & Polygraphia, and many others. In the meantime, I also found Johann Henning's Cabbalologia and I found that a "Standard/Extended" cipher in fact existed for the Elizabethan English alphabet with 24 letters, on page 40 of the same book (source here). Reversing this cipher by having A=600, B=500, etc, until Z=1, would then give us the "Reverse Standard" cipher for the Elizabethan English alphabet. And it was precisely that cipher that showed me a coincidence that's quite... curious. 🧐 You see... I've read in some places that Francis Bacon's New Atlantis was published in 1627(*), or 1 year after Sir Francis Bacon's death in 1626 — and what would be the odds of finding that "Franciscus", "Baconis" and "Bensalem" all shared the same value in the same cipher, and that the value was precisely 1627 ?!?! [Image from GEMATRO — my absolute favorite Gematria calculator] * * * (*) On some websites it is said that Bacon's New Atlantis was published in 1626, while others mention the year 1627. As I'm unsure as to which year is correct, I thought that this explanation was due. Does anyone have any information about this?

Very curious synchronicities over there. Almost as if a sign was being given. 😉 That's the profile picture I've been using on Discord for some time, no doubt motivated by my studies on Francis Bacon & Shake-Speare. Before I started reading about this question of Bacon, Shakespeare and the Rosicrucian ciphers (even in Fama Fraternitatis there's at least one implicit reference to the number 287 !!!), it was the Bavarian Illuminati that I was studying, together with one of their cryptographic substitution ciphers. Curiously enough, the Illuminati used many symbols of Athena/Athene as well (obviously including the owl) — while their numerical cipher seems to be a crossing between the Baconian Simple & Reverse ciphers. That was actually what motivated me the most to start studying Francis Bacon, the Rosicrucians, and Shakespeare. Many symbols overlap across several different societies, doctrines and philosophies — even though the underlying meaning remains practically the same, though possibly applied in different ways. Thank you for your message! 🤗

Hello everyone, I'm Luís Gonçalves, hailing from Portugal, and I'm the person responsible for the blog "Gematria Research" [https://gematriaresearch.blogspot.com], in which I've been writing mostly about the History of Ciphers used in Gematria. As I tend to use Gematria either (1) creatively, crafting hidden references in my published texts, or (2) searching for any type of works where it is possible to find things that were previously encoded with Gematria, the nickname I've chosen for this forum also has many different layers of meanings: — "Luis" is my real name; it comes from the Germanic hlodwig, meaning "famous warrior"; — "Quirino" would be the Portuguese name of the Roman deity called Quirinus, whose name is believed to come from the Sabine word curis meaning "spear", according to Ovid — so hiding a reference to Shake-speare, the Spear-Shaker, as well. Last but not the least, using the Elizabethan Standard/"Extended" cipher (attributing values to the letters in "decimal scales": first the units 1-9, then the tens 10-90, and finally the hundreds 100-600), the nickname "Luis Quirino" adds to 777, the value of "Geometry" in the same cipher — which shares the same initial letter as my last name, "Gonçalves". By a curious coincidence, Geometria ("Geometry" in Latin) adds to 287: a Baconian/Rosicrucian Seal number. I'm pretty sure I'll have many enriching conversations in this lovely forum, and to share some of my findings and researches as well! It's quite curious, though, because I've been an avid reader of many pages in this website, but I only knew yesterday that there was a forum. 👀 So... here I am! Kind regards, Luís Gonçalves