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There is certainly a good resemblence to that dolphin, at least in the face, bu what about those legs? Or am I seeing it all wrong?

Who established this method of approaching the text? Maybe Roger Bacon?

Hi Rob apologies for non-clarity. Hi Allisnum2er. One man's snake is another man's dragon. (That's a sηake-speare quote 😄 Genesis 3:14, So the LORD God said to the serpent, 'Because you have done this, cursed are you above all the livestock and all the wild animals! You will crawl on your belly and you will eat dust all the days of your life. From this passage one can only be left with the notion that the serpent was at first able to walk or fly. Genesis 3:15 I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and her offspring; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel.” In my opinion, this is what the original sonnets title artwork contains: a serpent biting the heel and being injured in return. Revelation 12:9 and 20:2 both describe Satan as a serpent. "He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years" (Revelation 20:2). "The great dragon was hurled down, that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him" (Revelation 12:9). Snakes with wings are a type of dragon known as an Amphiptere An Amphiptere; meaning bi-winged,is a type of winged serpent found in European heraldry. Amphiptere by Edward Topsell (1608). The History of Four-Footed Beasts and Serpents (Woodcuts), published in 1658. As for that "dolphin": the grotesque beast shown in the sonnets ornamental headpiece is constructed from vegetation, one can link the garden of Eden with these beasts, and also to the serpent-dragons and Genesis chapter 3. The sonnets beasts have legs by the way, also ears, and a tail which ends in a flower head. Dolphins have none of these. If they really were meant to be dolphins, what are those tongue-like things?

Original artwork before 1609 Sonnets changes: 1: Hayward, 'Concerning Succession', 1603. Modified artwork (as in sonnets title): 1: Shakes-peares 'Sonnets', 1609. Title. 2: Drummond, 'Poems', Edinburgh, 1616: "Flowres" Title. 3: Ben Jonson, 'Workes', 1616. Note: Jonson knew Drummond, in fact, he walked to Scotland to visit him. Both published using Sonnets version header in 1616: same year WS died. Note: both published seven years after Sonnets. (not counting 1609) Sonnets (Aspley) title page shows seven lines of text. Seventh line is 'date' 1609: reduces to seven. Seven rays of light come from head of the little boy: Note Ben Jonson's son Benjamin died age seven. Could this be his son? sonnet 7 LOe in the Orient when the gracious light, * Lifts up his burning head,each under eye Doth homage to his new appearing sight, Serving with lookes his sacred majesty, And having climb'd the steepe up heavenly hill, Resembling strong youth in his middle age, Yet mortall lookes adore his beauty still, * Attending on his goulden pilgrimage: But when from high-most pich with wery car, Like feeble age he reeleth from the day, The eyes(fore dutious )now converted are From his low tract and looke an other way: So thou,thy selfe out-going in thy noon: Unlok'd on diest unlesse thou get a sonne. * Line seven word seven gracious begins with seventh of alphabet. * Line seven word seven "still" another word for dead. First seven letters of line seven are: "Yet mort" ? Ben Jonson's elegy is called “On My First Son” for his eldest son, who died of plague in 1603 when he was just seven years old. 1603 to 1609 all the years = seven (counting 1603). Here's the little head isolated from the main artwork:

I see a serpent biting an ankle, as per Old Testament. I do not see a dolphin, it is either a lion (as in dande-lione) or a dog as in dog-rose). It's all vegetation.

you said: " for me I take note whenever I see 444. It's a thing I just do. " here's something I was working on a while back, perhaps you can dig deeper? (Apologies if it seems a bit opaque) sonnet 4 line 4: And being frank she lends to those are free: first 4 words counted from Lhs --> And being frank SHE : 4th word SHE = 31 = PIG last 4 words counted from Rhs <-- TO those are FREE 4th word --> TO = 33, 4th word <-- FREE = 33. F PIG : 37 = 6 + 31 4 + 4 + 4 = 12 12 x 37 = 444 F = 6 B = 2. 6 x 2 x 37 = 444

Why wouldn't Bacon and Co have left some cipher stuff in Latin? They spent most of their lives writing in that tongue, so has anyone taken that path yet? I know Rawley translated stuff into English, but there must surely be tons of Latin ciphered stuff up for grabs. Francisco Porcus = 154 F = 6 P = 15 sum = 21 = W.

ref your link ; THE SECRET SHAKESPEAREAN SEAL: The actual original line from the first folio says: From the most able, to him that can but spell : There are ye number'd. 14 words, 14th is NUMBER ' D number D ---> number 4 D is number 4 ---> number Dee is number 14.

You said "it is a big extrapolation around just one letter of a name to make it fit with the idea that the pen name itself would conceal the fact that Bacon was the son of Queen Elizabeth." and I can see why you would say that, but from my perspective, the name itself was the important thing to those who where behind it all (IMO). Where is there another name with those properties? When W is one symbol P is 14th, but when W is two symbols, P is 15th, it's correct abc value. I think the idea came from Saint Peter at the gates, where Rhoda sees him and runs into the house. Peter is represented by P and Rhoda by R: the 17th in the name and the alphabet. Depending on whether the first symbol is W or VV, makes either Peter or Rhoda the valid subject. P R. 15 or 17. By the way P is also Greek rho, and there's only one rose in the new testament: Greek Rhoda. But overall, although your's may not be the answer, I think it makes a more sense than mine. I often just work stuff out and sometimes an idea tickles me such that I feel the urge to share with someone. There's loads of stuff like that, but without feedback it somehow makes little sense in continuing. But I'm sure you know that when the bug bites it's hard not to scratch. Thanks for that feedback, I appreciate it. As for that link: I wonder if you might care to remark on the hands: the woman shows how many digits? Exactly where is she being held by Time? (Notice the way her fingers are positioned: this is seen on many occasions in various portraits. English, Italian, Dutch... )

Richard the Third, act 1 scene 1. CLARENCE: Yea, Richard, when I know, for I protest As yet I do not. But, as I can learn, He hearkens after prophecies and dreams, And from the crossrow plucks the letter G, And says a wizard told him that by “G” His issue disinherited should be. And for my name of George begins with G, It follows in his thought that I am he. These, as I learn, and such like toys as these Hath moved his Highness to commit me now. Refer to "cursed" tombstone: Line 1: first and last two letters are GO and ER (two top 'corners') these spell GORE: noun 1; "thick, clotted blood." noun 2: "triangular piece of ground." verb "to pierce, stab, spear." George is also called Clarence: C = 3 Start from left G, go to right E --- 1 go to left O go to right R --- 2 go to left G end at right E --- 3 G E O R G E Regarding the changing to and fro, or back and forth across the letters: G is 1st in the line, O is 2nd, R is 28th and E is 29th: sum = 60. sonnet 60: LIke as the waues make towards the pibled shore, So do our minuites hasten to their end, Each changing place with that which goes before, In sequent toile all forwards do contend. Natiuity once in the maine of light, Crawles to maturity,wherewith being crown'd, Crooked eclipses gainst his glory fight, And time that gaue,doth now his gift confound. Time doth transfixe the florish set on youth, And delues the paralels in beauties brow, Feedes on the rarities of natures truth, And nothing stands but for his siethe to mow. And yet to times in hope,my verse shall stand Praising thy worth,dispight his cruell hand. The inclusion of this sonnet is only on a whim, an idea so to speak.

The Princ. W. TUDOR. I like it ha ha ha. I could imagine Bacon being king : Excuse the numbers: in the name William Shakespeare only p sits below the line, this means P is unique. P is 14th in the name, R is 17th and is unique in that it is the only one that agrees with its place in the alphabet. Now read the name when W uses two separate vees: VVilliam Shakespeare: now P is 15th, as per alphabet. Let R represent "Regina". Let R also represent 'root' What does P stand for? P = 15; the square of 15 is 225. 225 is the number of Elizabeth Tudor Virgo (84 74 67) Sonnet 15, line 4, word 5 is "secret". Let 4 and 5 be 45 The root of 45 is 67/10 or secret over K as in (Francis) secret King? By the way B A C O N = 2 1 3 14 13 = 15 = 6 Apologies for all the numbers.

If B. I. stands for Ben Ionson, then is that his character from the Alchemist? NAB, in his "corner shop". Nab is a tobacconist, and methinks I spy a few strands of toBAco close to his name. And could that be another character from his Alchemist? his FACE?

re that book I said I have, methinks it is lost. I bought it on the advice of one Peter Farey M.A. (Marlovian publisher) but I never copied the only bit that interested me, namely the original tomb and epitaph lettering at Stratford on Avon. Anyway, in case you decide to take it further here are the details: 'Shakespeare' by F. E. Halliday. (with 151 illustrations). I had the paperback secondhand, cost me £2.50p. If it ever turns up, I will publish the relevant image. I found a copy on Ebay, going really cheap: £2.60p. But no need to worry, I've found the book. It was published in 1956, so monochrome only. The photos are a bit poor, and I used my phone to copy, but I'm certain that the mark above the initial I in IESVS is not a graver's dimple, compare with the one at the end of STONES. If you look carefully you will see that the mark in question is offset from the center of the I.

nice bit of lateral thinking. well done. never saw that one. though some will say it's not possible, even when you show it to be true. i like it.

Just remembered this: on the tomb: word 5: SAKE GOOD FREND FOR IESVS *SAKE* FORBEARE SAKE: ASK E: E is 5th in alphabet: Count 5 letters from both ends: GOOD F REND FOR IESVS SAKE FOR B EARE ---->| |<---- F B is the result.