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  1. 1 hour ago, Light-of-Truth said:

    I was playing with it, but this right triangle caught my attention. But I don't know if 70, 90, 20 triangle is anything of interest.

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    It seems to me that corner stones in buildings could be useful to align things. Bacon's mount is that little circle with the rays around it to the right of the words. What you are aligning to there is the corner of an enclosed field. 

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  2. On 3/21/2024 at 4:35 PM, Light-of-Truth said:

    We've enjoyed this several times here on the B'Hive and it never gets old. 🙂

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    33 is 15 in Dee's quarternary (3x4+3).  3/5=60% of Bacon's name is in found in the 5 first letters which sum to 15 (BAC). Those 3 sum to 6. 6/15=40%.  100 being the cross, gives us an idea about how one might want to divide a cross stem to attach its arms. If the arms are 50 each and the cross is divided at the 60:40 height there comes out of that and angle that approximates 40 between the arm ends and the top. If the the top part be divided by 42:58 instead of 40:60 then the angle from arm end to top is essentially 40. 42 mattered to Dee, because of 2x21 which he knew to be symbolic of the cross too (VV). There's quite a few reasons why 33 would have interested Dee. B+A+C+O+N=33 is just the most obvious one.  FRANCIS BACON=100 makes his name a symbol of the higher power of the cross and a rare individual in Dee's way of thinking of rarity (as powers of ten).

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  3. 3 hours ago, Eric Roberts said:

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    17th century survey map superimposed on satellite image of Gorhambury estate, showing Verulam House (top right) in relation to Old Gorhambury (GII). Also shows "Bacon's Mount". 

     

    Neat-o. That's an invitation to see what how the buildings relate.

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    There a nice bunch of Masonic (digital sum=9) angles in there. There's an obvious cross made by the line from the Temple and the site of St Mary's church and the triangle side (in blue). The midpoints of the sides cross at the site of GI (where the Cross goes too). The large triangle is a 40-60-80 one. Call it a Summer triangle (Cygnus) suggestion if you want. It's probably a TT idea based in 20-40-60-80-100. Dee's ternary and quarternary can be injected by using 60 and 80 and being left with 40 (TT TT). That's quite of bit of elegance to have come out of such a random plan. ; )

    Interested much n the 18-72-90 one Rob? Can you covert that to a 18-81-81 and 72-36-36 (golden triangle) pair?

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  4. On 7/6/2024 at 10:46 PM, FB Decipherer said:

    Bob Egan 1 min video summery, very oustanding

     

    The Only English Renaissance Building in North America, Robert Egan (1 minute)

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    This is Dee's work on the perfect art of navigation from 1577. The inscription around the oval reads: "More is concealed than given". That's certainly enticing to anyone looking for steganographic cues to Dee's plan for the voyages of Gilbert.

    His work is described as a “Nauticum, Astronomicum, Geometricum, Hydrographicum, Polygraphicum, Chorographicum, Cosmographicum, Historicum, Chronographicum, Mathematicum, Mechanicum, & Theologicum.” He's, in fact, basing his art of navigation on various things listed here, geometric and religious elements included. Polygraphicum implies a many facet approach to a presentation.

    He's dropped the number 24 on the central vertical page/frame divider.  I suggest you study the construction of this image and its frame empirically, as you will find all sorts of relations to Phi which will relate to the phi symbol written on the right hand side and in the top right corner of the image's frame. The image is easily divisible by 24 by the geometric placement of details in the image.

    Nothing here points to Newport, Rhode Island as a destination, but the method he is describing is telling us that he could have certainly considered Mercator's map to tease out points of high coincidence to the criteria he is using to form his "art of navigation". It's relatively easy to show how the position of Newport on the map can be related to the polygons of sides that number 12X.  The 10th apex of the 24-gon falls exactly on Newport on a Mercator map of the globe if you adhere by Dee's starting point atop the upside down pyramid that is the Delta formed at the mouth of the Nile. That is involving both aspects of Dee's quarternary (1+2+3+4=10 and 1x2x3x4=24).  The image on this page has elements that show this, but it not related to the given visual image except by similarity of theme (a great citadel at the mouth of a river).

    Dee himself signed off as the Delta in the Monas Hieroglyphica.  The constellation associated with the Delta was Deltoton to the Greeks. That was Christianized later (Mytre of St Peter). We use Triangulum today.  What I always assumed was Bacon's clever plan can be shown here to exist already in 1577, with all its reasoning included.   This is of great interest because the plan appears to have been given in a New Atlantis title page image that predates the publishing of that work by quite a bit (Yann pointed that out). 

    It is noted that this work of Dee is generally not well studied. The Newport folks might want to look into it. I am just as interested about what this art of navigation tells us about Philadelphia.  A strong case can be made that this sort of thing blended into Freemasonry and may have been understood by some early colonial Freemasons. There is hope that Erasmus James Philipps was exposed to this when he was raised to Master Mason in Boston in 1742. Bringing this "knowledge" back to Nova Scotia with him may have allowed for the symbolic planning at Oak Island that appears to have happened in 1762 by Charles Morris who was his understudy. 

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  5. 11 hours ago, Light-of-Truth said:

    So that was before dinosaurs? LOL

    Wow, CJ. I guess I should have Googled it earlier.

    http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/scopes/ussher.html

    Although Ussher brought stunning precision to his chronology, Christians for centuries had assumed a history roughly corresponding to his.  The Bible itself provides all the information necessary to conclude that Creation occurred less than 5,000 years before the birth of Christ.  Shakespeare, in As You Like It, has his character Rosalind say, “The poor world is almost six thousand years old.”  Martin Luther, the great reformer, favored (liking the round number) 4000 B.C. as a date for creation.  Astronomer Johannes Kepler concluded that 3992 B.C. was the probable date.

    As paleontologist Stephen Jay Gould points out in an essay on Ussher, the bishop’s calculation of the date of Creation fueled much ridicule from scientists who pointed to him as “a symbol of ancient and benighted authoritarianism.”  Few geology textbook writers resisted taking a satirical swing at Ussher in their introductions.  How foolish, the authors suggested, to believe that the earth’s geologic and fossil history could be crammed into 6,000 years.  Gould, while not defending the bishop’s chronology, notes that judged by the research traditions and assumptions of his time, Ussher deserves not criticism, but praise for his meticulousness.  The questionable premise underlying Ussher’s work, of course, is that the Bible is inerrant.

     

    Funny thing is I see an arrowhead, or arrowheads on page 201 (TWO HUNDRED ONE = 157 and 287), like I dreamed about last night. 😉

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    What does "videlicet" mean??

    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/videlicet

    Etymology

    Borrowed from Latin vidēlicet, which itself is a contraction of vidēre licet, meaning "it is permitted to see".

     

    No man in 6,000 years died of a love cause? No way...

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    "In his own person" is the catch. This implies independence of the individual from anything but his own deepest convictions. Essentially, we die becuse of circumstances we are in when in love, and that makes it a tragedy. The worm eats you because of its circumstance and not because of love.  Men kill out of circumstance too, and will try and attribute it to love of something. Part of our circumstance is that that we are emotionally malleable and prone to all sorts of compulsions and self preservation biases. To be able to love is a probably also just a mater of circumstance. It might be implied that even the son of God as a man had issues about dying for love, and that only God himself would be capable of it. If anyone ever was true to his own ideals it has to be God, right? The dialogue thing is food for thought.

    At the time he prevailing idea was that was that there was two 2000 year periods prior the coming of Christ. A-A was 2000 years and A-CE was 2000 years. Ussher  looked to refine this. He assumed that the Jews must have known something about the start so he selected a date that is consistent with the beginning of their calendar, and he made it be a Sunday near the Fall equinox. He also apparently fudged it to make it be 4004 BC, giving a palindromic number based in 40. This attests to the long standing nature of the mystery of 40 as a symbol of periods of great transformation.  John Lightfoot is alleged to have preferred 3929BC, probably due to idea bout some cyclical astronomical event falling on the date 2 AD. Haley's comet visited Earth in 2 AD. The difference between Ussher and Lightfoot's date is approximately that comet's period. Ussher tweaked his date to make it fit biblical trends in numbering.  The consensus view in Elizabethan time was that the world was older than 5500 years old. This would certainly not be the case for any culture unware of the Jewish texts. Much older cyclical calendars exist in the Vedic tradition which we almost certainly not know by whoever Shakespeare was. Precession was known in Ptolemaic times and that cycle is 25960 years in age. Something had to be forgotten for the Christian view to come to dominate.

    Before the dinosaurs there were plenty of plants and sea creatures, some of which I like to go fossil hunting for on the beach near home where there is strata that is in excess of 350 million years of age conveniently at eye level. Not that long ago clever humans were able to reconstruct the DNA of the arctic camel which lived 2.5 million years ago in Northern Greenland.  The remnants of the DNA from the frozen dung in soil is what you call evidence that cannot be made up. It would be interesting to present Bacon with that evidence today and see if he could have died "in his own person" for his beliefs. The tragedy might be that poor old God would have to be put to pasture.

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  6. 19 hours ago, Kevin box said:

    Anyone aware of any connection between Bacon or Shakespeare, and the number 6000?

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    The number is associated with the arithmetic of Archbishop James Ussher. When he calculated the length of the period from Adam to Abraham and from Abraham to today using Biblical genealogies he came to 6000 years. That wasn't done until 1650. The number recalls the unit of measure of the Mesopotamian cultures 60. 60 centuries would be a symbolic way to speak of the age of the world if one did not know it, I suppose. That may have influenced the stories 

    It could have had appeal as a number for involving 6 (monad number) and 1000 (10 cubed) had it been suggested earlier.  It's also roughly 3 zodiacal ages in duration so that gets you back to the beginning of the age of Taurus when bull cuts were prominent. In a zodiacal view the coming of Christ occurred with the arrival of the age of Pisces and that age ends with the beginning of the age of Aquarius. This gives you a sense that, as odd as that number sounds,  it could have had some ideas attached to it.

     

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  7. 4 hours ago, Lawrence Gerald said:
    I like these two observations by educator and Baconian Researcher, Stephanie Petersen.
     
     

    @StephanieMcPeakPetersen

    2 weeks ago posted in comments section  @Sir Francis Bacon, Shakespeare, & The Francis Bacon Society- Jono Freeman Interview
     
    "Two things stand out for me that point to Bacon's authorship of Shakespeare (at least partial authorship): the encoding of Ptolemy's tense tetrachord into Hamlet (Bacon did a lot of empirical work with sound and music) and an anti-mercantilist economic argument in The Merchant of Venice (Bacon made the same economic argument in New Atlantis)."
     
    Also check out Stepanie's videos "Bacon, Shakespeare & Tartarian Economics" and "Bacon's Pound of Flesh"
     

     

    Bacon did "A LOT" of experimental work with sound and music is not something that can be substantiated. He drew a lot from the known work of others. One of his famous works does catalogue observations that come from experiments not done by him that are traceable to other people's published works. That's about it. He is not known to have been much of an experimentalist. Many, if not most, of the observations and experiments in Sylva Sylvarum made on music are not his own.  His, and Rawley's, intent was to show how to go about building a body of knowledge with the collection of facts. Enough facts were mean to illuminate one into good inductive reasoning.

    Fun fact. The tetrachord has three genera. One is the diatonic. "A diatonic genera" is an anagram of "Et in Arcadia Ego". The composition of Poussin's painting by that name is built of an octave of line divisions that show the tetrachord too. To suggest that "coding" for this is Bacon related is taking a leap. Others were capable of it. If anyone can be shown to have had a scientific interest in the 4:3 it is John Dee, but that predates Shakespeare by quite a bit.  It might be better to say that Bacon would have been versed in this language and that the poorly educated man from Stratford would probably not have been.  It's appearance in Hamlet might signify that someone is reproducing a theme seen in the quadrivium. It's the sort of higher level stuff that one might not want to attribute to just anyone. 

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  8. Interesting theory. It would be difficult to demonstrate the ability to make this sort of attribution or disqualification. We probably have enough computer power and AI capability today to deal with older texts as if they were environmental samples that contain small pieces of DNA which can be dealt with by a shotgun approach to sequencing. I suppose it would all boil down to how attributable certain ideas or combination of words were to an individual and whether or not we could differentiate one individual from many with broad ideas given in the context of them coming from the mouths of characters in a play which do not have to reflect the personal preferences of a writer as they would be described in a treatise on the state of our knowledge. The problem is that there is a lot of nuance in language and that the concept of money is one with at least a dual nature (obligation and token). 

     

     

     

  9. 18 hours ago, Light-of-Truth said:

    Hey CJ, I know we were just kicking around the number 24 offline along with Dee's Monas Hieroglyphica and Theorem 24. Newport, Rhode Island also came up without the Tower. So a cool coincidence when FB Decipherer mentioned the Tower.

    This may be an elementary question, but does the Masonic Twenty-Four Inch Rule have anything to do with the same 24 you bring up?

    TWENTY FOUR is 157 Simple cipher, BTW.

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    I like that Dee "Seal's" the Monas with 157 in 1570. 😉

    When did Newport, Rhode Island get that name? I'm sure its been brought up, but I can't remember.

     

    What I have come to realize about Dee is that when he is speaking to us of the ternary, the quarternary and the quinary he is speaking to us in terms of base numbering schemes (what we would call it). The number 5 in ternary is equivalent to 12 since 1X3 + a remainder of 2 is how that is written out.  This is how the Mesopotamians expressed numbers in base 60. He may have thought of that as expressing a number in terms of the trinity.  10 in the ternary is 24 which is correctly reducible to 31, and that is the number of ways that 4 things can be arranged in orderly fashion. So we see that he is not just inventing stuff up to hide some esoteric truth. He's actually doing some math (number theorizing) there.  If we think of the Newport tower as a 12-nary then it's 28 foot height is 24 (2x12+4). 12 in the quarternary is also 24 reducible to 3.  This goes a way towards supporting the idea that Newport is a place on the globe where the 12-gon map projection coincides.

    The IOD is 1+10+4=15 and so are A+B+C+D+E in the 24 letter alphabet. Dividing the circle in 24 results in 15 degrees of arc which we call an hour in a day. He's understanding how very coincidental and useful the choice of 24 hours in a day was. Were we "lucky" to have fallen on this division? He would say there was no luck involved and that we were divinely inspired in our choice. 15 is the sum of the side of the powers of 2 in the Tetractys (1+2+4+8).

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    15 is symbolized by Baphomet in the ancient esoteric tradition.  He is the symbol of balance and social order (later confounded with Satan by zealous Roman Catholic slanderers attempting to discredit modern Freemasonry). To build or plan with 15 is to incorporate the 24 divisions of the circle. They are also the 24 divisions of the compass. The relation of 40  is that of the worldly to the heavenly. That is seen in the IOD with the presence of 4 and 10. It is also seen in the divine proportion with the 8x5 proportion approximation that Dee exploited.

    D himself signs off as calling himself the 4 (the delta followed by two dots). That is the 42 and 24 chiral pair. 42, he tells us was for the two Vees that make up the cross' perfect 10 (5+5).

    He seems to have appreciate that his IOD hieroglyph was identical to the Greek letter Phi which was already used to denote the divine proportion. The "i" ending of a word in Hebrew can be denoted by the yod (as with Adonai). This may have led him to think of PHi as something that the P(illars) of H(Hercules) graced by the yod could point to.

    As it turns out, the distance from the PH to the Mahone Bay point is Phi in length when the unit distance is from the Delta point to the PH. With that in mind is how we notice that Newport ends up not falling of the 10-gon projection, but on the 12-gon projection. It's extremely symbolic for a plan, an probably only ever devisable by Dee himself. The fact he was so close to Mercator helps the case by making it likely he studied his map projections carefully for what new "things" could be gleaned by them. There is no such alignment on any other map projection. Projection, do not forget is the word which is used by alchemy to speak of the great transformation.  This starts to have sense hen we conider that the NA project was envisioned to be the beginnings of a great social transformation. 

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  10. 18 hours ago, Light-of-Truth said:

    Hey CJ, I know we were just kicking around the number 24 offline along with Dee's Monas Hieroglyphica and Theorem 24. Newport, Rhode Island also came up without the Tower. So a cool coincidence when FB Decipherer mentioned the Tower.

    This may be an elementary question, but does the Masonic Twenty-Four Inch Rule have anything to do with the same 24 you bring up?

    TWENTY FOUR is 157 Simple cipher, BTW.

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    I like that Dee "Seal's" the Monas with 157 in 1570. 😉

    When did Newport, Rhode Island get that name? I'm sure its been brought up, but I can't remember.

     

    Theorem 24, the last, is unique in that it spells out in its second point that

    "THUS, at last, in this our Twenty-Fourth Theorem, we shall Consummate and Conclude with the METAMORPHOSIS of ALL THE TRANSPOSITIONS OF PARTS OF A QUATERNARY (defined by the Number 24)."

    He's not locked onto this number for no empiric reason at all. He has recognized two basic empirical facts: That 1+2+3+4=10 and that 1x2x3x4=24.

    Ten is the perfection of the IOD (Yod) and 24 represents, to him, the number ways (all the transpositions) that 4 of anything can express itself (the combinatorial equivalent to saying that 4 things can be arranged in 24 distinct orderly ways, 4!=24).

    In the Monas Hieroglyphica he has latched on the the idea that the 24 letters in the Tudor alphabet are carrying more than phonetic information since they are borrowed from others that were constructed to carry numerical meanings. This is the basis for his steganographic method. His IOD is 1, 10 and 4. He has concluded that there is enough that comes out of just a circle and a line bisecting it to construct all of geometry. The skeleton of his hieroglyphic is a construction meant to divulge a proportion which he specifies is not his intent to give out. You can tell by his musing that he is wondering about how numbers are behaving in the decimal system and how that has shaped just about every other aspect of our creative endeavors.  

    Your question can only be answered by saying that it is very possible that Dee's architecture influenced things that appeared exactly at this time. The human body has two of many things in chiral opposition. The Yod's hieroglyphic was the hand symbol. We know the Yod stood for ten (it's placement as the tenth letter in the Hebrew, and that the hand is carrier of the 5. So, there is an implied 2:1 proportion that exists there (the implied duality in the monad). If the ruler be symbolized by a thing containing a 12 inch measure, it may very well have stood as a hieroglyph for the 24. Masons may today just say that this represents putting one foot in front of the other (to act instead of just saying). The acts should be the measure of the man, for example. This stems from things Dee speaks about in the work. He interprets the cross as two chiral Vs (V=21 in one alphabet's way of counting, and not 20 as we might love to think from considering another) and points out that the Latin V=5 makes the cross be ten. He does the same with the L, pointing out that L is 50 in Latin and that 2x50 is 100 which is he second power of ten. He's becoming fixated on powers of ten to describe the implied "rarity" in some words too. Bacon, as you know, made Sylva Sylvarum to be a work in ten centuries. The more we scale up in complexity while staying true to the cross, the more we are capturing a power of ten and perfecting something. The influence of Dee in  Bacon stands out in many ways with the imagery of the SS  title page which recalls the tetragrammaton, the Sun and the sphere exactly as Dee's published work on his colonization plan does. They are also both characterized by a careful geometric composition that is anchored in the proportion they don't overtly give. By now, we have all noticed that this proportion is 8:5 or 8x5, the fifth approximation of Phi. Phi is there in his Monas hieroglyph, and so are the powers of Phi with the built-in inclusion of an arrangement of points that define what is known as Kepler's triangle today. 

    It is said the pre  1583, Dee was very much prone to making excellent empirical observations. His reputation got greatly diminished when he associated himself to Edward Kelly and went off the rails with the Enochian magic stuff. As wrong as he was in making some of his philosophical choices, he does leave a trail that can be examined by empirical means with the consideration of numbers and geometry.  He appears to have been greatly influenced by the divine proportion. 

    incidentally, 24 in base 10 is 24 (2x10+4). That's true because are already working in base 10 (10-ary) and we don't quite realize it often enough. Without a numbering scheme there would just be a countable number of things in need of a way to express it. We did not use one hand's worth of fingers, but two. The basic unit was the hand since 5 is prime. 

     

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  11. 1 hour ago, Kate said:

    I don’t find Oak Island of interest, 👆and I wasn’t even going to comment on this thread, but read it and thought nothing of it - other than there are many people who could have designed this tower. Cathedral building dates back to at least the 11th/12thC and round towers too, if not way earlier. 

    Knowledge of astronomical alignments and navigation is as old as the hills. But anyway, I’d no intention of commenting and decided to carry on my lengthy task of sorting out my book shelves. 

    I put one book to the side - a massive thick tome called The Bloodline of the Holy Grail by Laurence Gardiner. I know I didn’t enjoy this book and personally found it stretched credulity, so I was weighing up whether to toss it out to save space.

    I flicked through it and blow me down👇 What are the chances! 

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    Nobody knows. The only written evidence of its use are two early references to it which do not involve Dee per se. The rest is speculation.  Some have placed its creation to the time just prior to the voyages of 1583 which Dee had a strong hand in planning (Gilbert's earlier voyage to that Bay). Everything about Dee's colonization plan was laced with his Christianized Monas Hieroglyphica symbolism which paid homage to the IOD (yod), the great symbol of ten and the quarternary.

    If one wants to try and attribute its design to Dee then one would surely have to involve 24 in it, because that's in the forefront of Dee's presentations in his works that elucidate his plan. The fact there are 8 columns and 3 rooms is a starting point. The quartrenary is attested to by the 28 foot height which is 4x7. The fact that the three rooms would account for 21 feet is interesting. Dee notes the importance of 21 as the letter V which is half the cross and the symbol of 5 (in Latin). Two touching Vees he equates to the cross which is the symbol of ten.  Dee's novel symbolic idea was that the quarternary was contained in the ternary and that all could be built using just a line containing a center divided circle. That line is the diameter which is 24 feet (the quarternary's 1x2x3x4 aspect). Were one inclined to use 3 as an approximation for Pi, one could speak of a perimeter of 72 which speaks to the names of God idea which is heavily characterized with the Yod. The tower is simple enough in basic structure to suggest this without getting into the orientation of the three windows. The three windows theme is a later Masonic one.

    There is in the tower the possible signature of Dee's construction methods and his religious philosophy. We should also note that the 8 columns and 3 floors symbolizing 5 get us to the 8:5 suggestion which is the basis for the divine proportion's approximation used by Dee (1.6).  This is also attesting to an observed relationship of 4 to 10 which is from 1+2+3+4=10. Ten being the perfection of yod (Ja, or Ya as in Yahweh), is made up of the ternary and quarternary. He also knew that 3 squares to 9 and that the remaining step of 1 was the return to the perfection of the monad. This is how he apparently devised that the 4 was "in" the 3. We know this "fable" from the 4T symbolism being in the 3T symbolism that is later offered up in he Holy Royal Arch mythology. This seems to have been borrowed from Dee's "philosophy" as I have seen no other similar idea that predates Dee (doesn't mean there isn't one).

    It was obviously not built by Dee, but I do not think it is easily dismissed as a structure whose plan may have been influenced by Dee. It almost certainly would have it was built as early as ca. 1580 by Gilbert. Someone could just as easily have done the same later, though. Dee had that much influence on planning for what he wrote concerning Vitruvius in the English language. Windmill or not, the thing has a plan.

    Dee's code name for his plan was "Rode". A rode in early 17th century is a nautical term relating to the rope that secures an anchor. We can think of Newport as a spot where a link to North America was envisioned. We do know that the anchor made its way into the Rhode Island iconography.

    Not that it probably matters to you, but Dee was a personal friend of Mercator and a "fan" of his maps. There is at Newport a geometric basis for selecting this area which involves a Mercator map alignment which uses the projection of the dodecagon and all other similar polygons with 12x sides. It's the same alignment that makes the leg of the journey from the Pillars of Hercules to Mahone Bay be a representation of Phi. The question for me is: which came first? It would seem that the Mahone Bay alignment was the primary one since it is built on the golden rectangle projection constructed from the 3-gon, 4-gon and 5-gon. Only people very astute in navigation, with the occasion and with a mathematical "planning" background would have been capable of this prior to 1583. I put this before Bacon, and that means that Bacon is only showing us something that he has been carrying after Dee's passing. The plan, it would seem, was sill appreciated and valued by Bacon. For the record, I think it is the same plan that "selected" for the important cities on the East coast which have Masonic importance. Philadelphia, especially.

    We know from history that the 1583 voyages failed, but that was not the end of Dee's plan, one could argue. He had allies in others, like Bacon, who had the very same philosophy regarding the importance of colonization and making it a highly symbolic step forward in God's plan for Britain. 

    The OI you know of and quote from is post 1762, and that is a great knotted confusion that is uninteresting to try and sort out. There are no serious works that contextualize that story with any of Dee's ideas that I am aware of. The mystery in 40 that was represented at OI seems to have stemmed from a vague recollection of a colonial plan. Unsure of what exactly to represent, it is likely that Charles Morris settled on adorning the only island that was included the Shoreham grant of 1762 with geometric details (seen in its plan) to call attention to the colonial Masonic history which Philipps was likely aware of from his deep links to Boston (a stone's throw from Rhode Island).  Oak Island post 1762 is nothing until it unravels in the 1840s with the creative interpretations of the Archibalds who must have smelled some intent there, but were not quite sure what they were onto. It seems the had a look at some people's expense. That petered out quickly enough, but Pandora's box was opened in the process. Enoch's vault quickly became everyone's buried treasure. 

    While not immediately obvious there's a link between Newport, Rhode island and Oak island. It goes through colonial Freemasonry. The question is whether or not there was a very early link in colonial times. One of the vessels of the 1583 voyage wrecked on Sable Island in a storm just South of OI. The ship was scuttled. Some have suggested that this is the event that is at the basis for "The Tempest" as they have satisfied themselves that the play's characters can be mapped onto the the crew of the ill fated voyage and by including Dee as Prospero. When you get into that creative stuff people can be clever. Have you never come across this stuff in your explorations?  If you are stuck reading OI books to quote from them it is no wonder you are turned off by the stories. Seek out some people who have a background in the early Masonic history there. 

     

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  12. Let’s assign prime numbers to each letter of the alphabet in order: A = 2, B = 3, C = 5, D = 7, E = 11, F = 13, G = 17, H = 19, I = 23, J = 29, K = 31, L = 37, M = 41, N = 43, O = 47, P = 53, Q = 59, R = 61, S = 67, T = 71, U = 73, V = 79, W = 83, X = 89, Y = 97, Z = 101.

    Using this sequence, the word “bacon” translates to: B = 3 A = 2 C = 5 O = 47 N = 43

    Now, we sum these prime numbers:

    3+2+5+47+43=100

    So, the sum of the word “bacon” when each letter is replaced with the corresponding prime number in the sequence is 100.

    Francis is 214. Together they are 314 which is pi without the decimal. Pi is of course TT, so what have I just proved using this formalism?

    if we use multiples of 3,  F. Bacon=123 which is compelling because 1+2+3=1x2x3=6

    If we do the same with Fibonacci numbers F. Bacon= 999

    If we do the same with the ordered even numbers, Bacon =70

    With the ordered uneven numbers , Bacon=65

    Together they are 135 which is the tonic, perfect 3rd and perfect fifth in the musical chord, so a very nice sounding tritone. 

    If we get very creative and use the ln2 equivalent of each position in the alphabet we find that N. Bacon equals 20 which is also TT.

    There is no shortage of very easy to define rules that can produce interesting suggestions when we are creatively hunting. There is no way to know which one, if any, one might be "concealing" by writing a word. They are all potentially there staring you in the face. All these worlds in which some assume these schemes are hatched are fictitious in the sense they are arbitrarily arrived to. One would have to be able to show what was known to have been used. This does not work to show that. One cannot bootstrap a likely method from elegance. Stating that is not being difficult, lol. Not wanting to hear it is being unreasonable. Trying to recruit with these schemes is deceptive. That is a charge brought against anyone who would try it. 

     

     

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  13. 9 hours ago, Light-of-Truth said:

    You are a bitter old man with real social issues about to be banned from this forum.

    You have offered some great resources and knowledge in the past, but it is clear your aim is to destroy and the only thing you are destroying is your privilege to be here. And that makes me a little sad, but we cannot destroy your obvious pain and suffering as you try to destroy our passions. Sorry, but that is a Truth.

    Who do I speak to for clemency John?

  14. 14 hours ago, Light-of-Truth said:

    And then there is having a good time for the pure sake of enjoying life.

    I suppose you enjoy the weird trip you are on, without drugs as you state. I have no understanding of that. Makes me happy I blew my reality walls away as a teenager. 😉

    Bacon did not teach me to suffer in ignorance afraid to think for myself. I'm not paranoid, not very much anyway. 🙂

    You need a chill pill. Trying to make us believe what you believe is not worth much value on a forum where we choose to be on for what we enjoy. Don't be a troll.

    That's exactly what scientifically inclined people do. They wake up every morning and try and rain on the parade of the  people who say things they claim should be accepted. This funny breed of people don't even have to be saying anything at all about what should be accepted, only that certain things shouldn't. The scientific method based in skepticism and the adversarial disproving of things irks believers or hedonists to no end. Believers, in their very dishonest ways, love to pretend to be scientists when they are marketing their ideas, though.

    Why not just be as blissful as cave men? I have very good indications that my neighbor has adopted this approach. Once beer was developed he needed no more progress. He has forsaken the razor and the bathtub to find his happiness. However, his children needed the discovery of cocaine in order that their business ventures could work.  One doesn't have to go back that far in history to find a state of mind and being that would suit him. Some are happy role playing the part of alchemists in a world where alchemy is now just a bad memory of simpler, more foolish thinking. There never was an alchemist who knew better than anyone today. Delusions of grandeur were more common in the past. We grow humbler now, or at least we should. The more we discover, the more we are shown that we did not know what we thought we knew. It's not that linear a relationship, but in general that is true. 

    You need the annoyance of people who will present things differently than you do. To me, you are an invitation to find the flaw in the thinking behind the presentation. One has to always search for that thing that someone has accepted that makes his position so unshakeable. 

    To be interested in Bacon is also to want to destroy the many myths about Bacon. One of the things I have come to realize is that he was a misguided scientist. He happened to err in the right direction, and this is why the development of science ended up producing the evidence against his beloved ideas of divinely created architecture.  It did not take that long after him for us to realize that randomness is what drives order. God should be equated to a chaotic principle. Destruction leads to new order. I am here only trying to be that Godly in my destruction. The chaos is good for you, but not necessarily for existing beliefs in places where they are championed.

    Also if you would like me to post less, make it rain less. I'd rather be outside working.

     

     

  15. 16 hours ago, Light-of-Truth said:

    I like that, "4 watch tau'er squares". Clever and I may kick that around in my infected mind. 🙂

    I know you can't believe that Dee or anybody else has ever actually tapped into past and future thoughts because that is outside your tiny bubble of reality, but what if that is possible? I bet you cannot even ask that without feeling you are vulnerable to anything science has yet to explain.

    I'd not want to be in your bubble, believe that. 🙂

    Funny, I was sending messages and visions back to Dee before I knew he was getting messages from Angels. I used to do it for prehistoric Shamans when looking for arrowheads. Just for fun.

     

    It is not our role to believe the outpourings of charlatans. About the only thing available to us is engineering things and reverse engineering things using what works well enough to understand relationships on our energy scales. There is every indication that what was engineered there is the product of individuals who are caught up in a numerological Judeo Christian game which is the product of speculations common in this period because esotericism was in vogue and totally exploitable. It is similar to the Victorian obsession of trying to read secret messages in texts using any rule imaginable.  Because there is an apparent design we know that it can only be the product of a designer, and since there is no God who has designed the world with number counting schemes the blame falls on the presenters. There's a long list of things you'd have to believe in for Dee's suggestion to be unconditionally accepted. I don't think you have even begun to examine all that you would have to accept a priori. You have a bias to accept Dee, because you have loaded expectations abut what "powers" he possessed. If Dee believed in magic he would have been susceptible of being manipulated by Kelley, or vice versa. 

    You are throwing out the word "time" like you know the word intimately and know that one can travel it like a highway. We don't happen to know that this is possible, so we should not claim we do. Just like the case of gravity being just the consequence of the curvature of spacetime we are not wise to think of time outside of being a relationship. I use spacetime because space and time are probably just the semblance of "things" which many assume are two distinct things. The clock may very well be a lie, but it is a very good piece of engineering that allows us to use the lie in a way that works for us. We can set the hands of the clock back to previous times, and this is not known to be possible about the order or arrangements of units of space. It would be like asking you to reorganize a dump truck of sand particles to their past order after they had been dumped. Doable in principle, but computationally irreducible in practice. To be able to do that you would need a pocket Universe to simulate it in (that much processing power). To say that we cannot do it may also be related to the processing order of any rule we might imagine governs things on the smallest scales. 

    If I was to believe Stephen Wolfram, space is akin to the basic unit and time is the processing order of rules in the ruliad.  But I should not believe it unconditionally. It is because it allows us to engineer certain things that we ought to suspect that this is in the right line of thinking. The clue is in what we can do with a suggestion. If all we can do is demand that it be accepted then we have nothing.

    Belief, in the hands of people who take pride in the freedom to believe anything, is possible of all sorts of consequences.  I maintain that such a dynamic will work against the advancement of learning because it comes with a great inertia. "You can't make me not believe" is common enough of a refrain today. "You need to believe this or else" comes bothering you at your door often enough.

    Peace is to know that you do not know and that there is not necessarily a way to know. 

  16. 1 hour ago, Light-of-Truth said:

    So you are like a Church preaching that everything we believe is wrong and you offer a better way. Ultimately your religion is that we should accept that Willy Shaks was the author of the works and we should just believe it because it is not worth our attention?

    I am infected with joy and pleasure in seeking my favorite candidate’s possible claim to the Authorship. 

    Without my “hobby” I might not be as happy as I am. Where does a person find the passion that feeds their life? Wish I could help my 89 year old dad and my wife find something to spark their interest besides watching TV.

    Imagine how dull this forum would be if we all gave up our passion and said, “Forget it, we are all lost souls manipulating each other and only CJ is wise.” Yikes! How sad that would be. Lol

    That's not the case I would be satisfied to not know and to not be told that we know when we don't know. The fact there has been infection and contagion is what draws one in to perform a diagnostic on the patients. Show me your symptoms so I may better know the thing infecting you. I have hope that mild infections can be cured, leaving the world in a wonderful state of uncertainty. 

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  17. 37 minutes ago, Light-of-Truth said:

    So you are like a Church preaching that everything we believe is wrong and you offer a better way. Ultimately your religion is that we should accept that Willy Shaks was the author of the works and we should just believe it because it is not worth our attention?

    I am infected with joy and pleasure in seeking my favorite candidate’s possible claim to the Authorship. 

    Without my “hobby” I might not be as happy as I am. Where does a person find the passion that feeds their life? Wish I could help my 89 year old dad and my wife find something to spark their interest besides watching TV.

    Imagine how dull this forum would be if we all gave up our passion and said, “Forget it, we are all lost souls manipulating each other and only CJ is wise.” Yikes! How sad that would be. Lol

    This place would be like the non existent empty skeptic forums of red pill takers. It would be dull and uninteresting, but logically sound. Take the blue pill and have fun in the Matrix. Your energies will serve some unknown purpose there that is not tied to your joy. The fact you live is a very beneficial economic claim on resources for those who have built up the Matrix of ideas around us.  The blue pill is about resignation to belief in someone's plan. If you refuse to believe in anything your life is a constant battle against the encroaching sentinels.  The Matrix is a great story that allows our attitudes to be explored. There are some people who are not happy seeing other people being happy being gullible. I have no understanding of why that is. That the gullible would be angry at the prospects of there being individuals against fake happiness is perplexing too.  Should we have games like the stock market that play us more than we play them? It may be that some do not like to have to coexist with fictions because they long for the truth that no one wants to believe in. 

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  18. 2 hours ago, RoyalCraftiness said:

    "...many writers have noted that it’s impossible to prove that the reception of the Enochian language or system was a fraud."

    This is true of leprechauns and Sasquatches. How does one prove that someone's creative imagination is fraudulent? Those who truly believe do so with legitimate conviction. We know this from watching Derren Browne videos involving highly suggestible individuals. Suggestible minds at a séance are capable of experiencing things that non suggestible minds are not, informing us that experience means nothing when it comes to determining what truly happened in the case of it being filmed. It is a mistake to assume fraud in the case of such individuals. Their experiences are real, but their realties are fraudulent in the sense that they are manufactured from within the brain from biases that make their way into minds by suggestion. You would first have to possess a belief which says that séances would allow communication with spirits. The same thing is true of a religious experience. There can be none if there isn't first a belief that one is possible. It is possible to condition for the acceptance of this suggestion. 

    The danger in this sort of magic is that one can introduce just about anything and have it operate on some people. We are all susceptible to this to some degree, hence the opportunity for AIs and LLMs to work on us as conditioning vectors which can be profited from. The angel AVE can be compared to a large language model. What can sink us with "AI" is the belief in intelligence when there is none. This parlor game that was created by Kelley and Dee reminds me of John Searle's Chinese room problem where the translation rule is mistaken for the power to know the meaning of symbols which requires intelligence. You can never imply that the method knows anything. What you think you know comes out of belief and bias.

    Interestingly, the 12x13 is reminiscent of the 25 character grid in which we can fit in the Latin alphabet.  4 times that many characters give 24 x 26= 624 which is 24. 98 squared, so close to what one would want to create to account for a grid of 25 x 25. 624 is 6 less than a number divided by 7 and 3 less than a number divided by 11. It would appear that Dee and Kelley worked out something that would contain at least a letter count that would accommodate a numerology using 7 and 11 by injecting other characters within a cross. The Sonnets for example are numbered 154 which is divisible by 7 and 11 exactly. 12x13 is 156 so that sort of gridding was going to have to be fudged, which is why we probably get the cross with empty character spaces.

    Just for the heck of it I've modified my own bit of letter gridding magic to produce a larger grid with a black cross which contains four watchtowers that I have called 4 instances of T. Mine are watch"tau"ers. I have decided to use Neil Young's version of "Four Strong Winds" as its theme song (subject to his approval).

    I could accommodate the desired numerology by making he cross as wide as I wanted and by including blank spaces. This was not revealed to me by any angel. It has slowly come out of only reverse engineering the 24 character alphabet. The end result is identical to a cross and four pellet suggestion. It is possibel to show how similar this is to Masonic compass and square geometry in some intersting ways. 

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    If you consider how many squares of any size one can make out of all these squares shown there are 25 squares in total, not considering the 4 watch"tau"er squares that are just ornaments. 25 squared is 625, one less than 4 x 12x 13=624.

     

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  19. 22 minutes ago, Light-of-Truth said:

    Alfred Dodd was a person with a passion, like many of us. Sharing one's viewpoint or ideas does not mean you are mentally ill or manipulative. Having an audience does not mean you have a following.

    Dodd was a Freemason, he does not hide that. His take on the Sonnets reflects his point of view. Agree or not with his arrangement of the Sonnets, I don't feel as if he was creating a Cult of Dodd trying to manipulate my mind.

    But maybe you would claim that all sharing of ideas is manipulating each other's minds?

    Hmmm, are you trying to manipulate my mind, CJ? LOL

    BTW, depression and paranoia are considered mental illness.

    Of course I am. In a way that will make you more skeptical, of course...If you can start  to identify what has infected you then that is a victory for you which I can have no part in.  I rarely will encourage anyone to establish beliefs in the merit of old ideas. What has to come is better new ones.

     

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  20. 1 hour ago, Christie Waldman said:

    It's easy to throw around the word "bias." But did you even read the book? Do you even know why he put these personal, private poems in the order he did? Because in that order, they made sense to him as telling Francis Bacon's life story. He explains his belief that the 1609 date printed as date of publication is false, that the true date is 1625. 1609 was only the date the sonnets were filed with the Stationers Register. Printers then would print whatever date you told them to print, Dodd writes. The change in the order of the sonnets for publication was so it would not be obvious that the sonnets were telling Bacon's life story, to bypass the censors which sometimes dealt very harshly with offenders. The Queen had ordered no one was to speak of the Succession. Doing so had cost Richard Stubbes his right hand. Dodd says these poems were Bacon's way of talking to his mother, Queen Elizabeth. See Alfred Dodd, The Personal Poems of Francis Bacon: Shake-speare's Sonnet Diary, Alfred Dodd Edition (Liverpool: Daily Post Printers, 1938), 198-204. That makes sense to me. I think it would not be bias but a conviction to telling the truth that would make a man go to the trouble of publishing a 304 page book on a topic such as this at his own expense. If you read the entire book and still think you see "bias" on Dodd's part, then, please would you explain your theory.

    "Nullius in Verba" is my motto. It is not so easy to throw in bias that some would start by assuming one is always at play. We are formed and acted upon by spells cast in symbolic language. This invites, among other things, authors of "spells" to try their luck at publishing things they dream up.

    You are dealing with professional confidence men here, one whom was likely mentally ill and very manipulative, but who can really know to what degree? There is no such thing as magic. Magic is being in control of narratives if it is anything. Our confidence in money is magic. What there is amounts to the suggestibility of the human mind that is at anyone's disposal to work with. If it were not for that there would never have been a history of initiatory schemes to achieve transformation of minds.

    The incremental approach to modifying behavior is part of a long game that has been played by cultures. Those who survive have very grand arching narratives that are well defended are carefully crafted to accommodate human biases regrading safety. We get a sense of it as soon as we step into a Church where we discover that there is an approach that is scheduled to play on the individual from cradle to grave. It is certainly not love that is behind it. It is a desire to have cooperative schemes that can ensure internal safety within factions, I would argue. Ideas are settled upon and they are embellished in the direction of not being rejected. Ove time there are always movements to return to previous versions of ideas that sprout up. Enochian magic is older than Dee.

    Here there is a community of suggestible minds who operate on various older suggestions that people love to quote from as the gospel. Very few seem interested in finding the nugget that has infected the minds of our predecessors.

    Nothing ever gets explained by quoting people. To truly understand our history we have to know how our minds work, and we don't. It's a mystery that has defied scientific inquiry so far. It is highly unlikely that animals have ethics. It is why one must train an animal to be what he is not by natural inclination. We are fortunate that fortune alone allows for "good" character traits to have surfaced in he right blend to allow for some offspring to be trained to be cooperative by mimetic mechanisms. 

    Skepticism and ejection of suggestions which is at the basis of the scientific method is adversarial. It may be why so many detest the sciences today. It is threatening to a host of beliefs that would rather persist and which demand the freedom to condition for in the world. Who will stand in the way of anyone's religion? It has become a safe place for believing in anything.

    If you read Bacon it is clear that he was highly infected with religious ideas, probably to the point of being hopelessly incapable of excluding magical thinking. We are so far beyond that today. No one should read Dee and Kelly seriously. These are case studies in how the mind can work when it is armed with novel ideas.

    Trust people at your own risk. No one deserves to have his word taken at face value.

  21. 16 hours ago, Light-of-Truth said:

    Many doorknockers have stuck them in my mailbox or in the door. LOL

    I think it was AVE who described the four Watchtowers to Dee.

    http://www.jwmt.org/v2n18/tablets.html

    Let’s return to 1584.   Less than a month after Dee transcribed the Angelic Governors, his accomplice Edward Kelley, on the summer solstice, dreamed of four gigantic Watchtowers which (by his description) ruled the “World.”  We’ll see later that this “World” Kelley dreamed of might mean something other than our day-to-day physical reality:  again, not knowing when or how to “translate” terms in and out of their Renaissance mythological viewpoint has been a stumbling block for many of us who work with Enochian materials.  

    By June 25, these Watchtowers are communicated as four 12 x 13 grids filled with Enochian letters and joined by a Black Cross.   This is the material Dee calls the “Great Table,” which we might think of as the great central operating system that builds upon all components that have been received before, and through which the operator can run particular linguistic strings, like the Enochian calls.  On June 26, 1584, via his scryer Kelley, Dee records the angel AVE telling him the “purpose” for these four Watchtowers:[16]

    Ave:  Now to the purpose.  Rest, for the place is Holy.  First, generally what this Tablet Containeth. 

    1. All human knowledge.

    2. Out of it springeth Physick.

    3. The knowledge of the Elemental Creatures among you.  How many kinds there are, and for what use they were created.  Those that live in the air, by themselves.  Those that live in the waters, by themselves.  Those that live in the earth, by themselves.  The property of fire—which is the secret life of all things. 

    4. The knowledge, finding, and use of Metals.  The virtues of them.  The congelations and virtues of Stones.  They [these preceding three things] are all of one matter.

    5. The conjoining and knitting together of Natures.  The destruction of Nature, and of things that may perish.

    6. Moving from place to place (as into this Country, of that Country at pleasure.]

    7. The knowledge of all crafts Mechanical.

    8. Transmutatio formalis, sed non essentialis [formal alchemical transmutation.]

    9. [Dee’s note in margin:] The ninth chapter may be added, and is of the secrets of men knowing, whereof there is a particular table.

    Now I need to look in my box of old envelopes stuffed with Bacon info and find the Xerox copy of the Dee book, or maybe only a chapter, that was sent to me on that day when I was looking at four watchtowers near a town that starts with the letters "Ave..." while I was consciously trying to send Dee a message from his future. Funny how these things happen. I wondered if I was AVE, but hardly an angel! LOL

    <--1881-->

     

     

     

    "...many writers have noted that it’s impossible to prove that the reception of the Enochian language or system was a fraud."

    This is true of leprechauns and Sasquatches. How does one prove that someone's creative imagination is fraudulent? Those who truly believe do so with legitimate conviction. We know this from watching Derren Browne videos involving highly suggestible individuals. Suggestible minds at a séance are capable of experiencing things that non suggestible minds are not, informing us that experience means nothing when it comes to determining what truly happened in the case of it being filmed. It is a mistake to assume fraud in the case of such individuals. Their experiences are real, but their realties are fraudulent in the sense that they are manufactured from within the brain from biases that make their way into minds by suggestion. You would first have to possess a belief which says that séances would allow communication with spirits. The same thing is true of a religious experience. There can be none if there isn't first a belief that one is possible. It is possible to condition for the acceptance of this suggestion. 

    The danger in this sort of magic is that one can introduce just about anything and have it operate on some people. We are all susceptible to this to some degree, hence the opportunity for AIs and LLMs to work on us as conditioning vectors which can be profited from. The angel AVE can be compared to a large language model. What can sink us with "AI" is the belief in intelligence when there is none. This parlor game that was created by Kelley and Dee reminds me of John Searle's Chinese room problem where the translation rule is mistaken for the power to know the meaning of symbols which requires intelligence. You can never imply that the method knows anything. What you think you know comes out of belief and bias.

    Interestingly, the 12x13 is reminiscent of the 25 character grid in which we can fit in the Latin alphabet.  4 times that many characters give 24 x 26= 624 which is 24. 98 squared, so close to what one would want to create to account for a grid of 25 x 25. 624 is 6 less than a number divided by 7 and 3 less than a number divided by 11. It would appear that Dee and Kelley worked out something that would contain at least a letter count that would accommodate a numerology using 7 and 11 by injecting other characters within a cross. The Sonnets for example are numbered 154 which is divisible by 7 and 11 exactly. 12x13 is 156 so that sort of gridding was going to have to be fudged, which is why we probably get the cross with empty character spaces.

    Just for the heck of it I've modified my own bit of letter gridding magic to produce a larger grid with a black cross which contains four watchtowers that I have called 4 instances of T. Mine are watch"tau"ers. I have decided to use Neil Young's version of "Four Strong Winds" as its theme song (subject to his approval).

    I could accommodate the desired numerology by making he cross as wide as I wanted and by including blank spaces. This was not revealed to me by any angel. It has slowly come out of only reverse engineering the 24 character alphabet. The end result is identical to a cross and four pellet suggestion. It is possibel to show how similar this is to Masonic compass and square geometry in some intersting ways. 

    1r260N9.jpg

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  22. On 5/29/2024 at 3:44 PM, Light-of-Truth said:

    There must be some kind of way outta here. 😉

    One of my top few synchronicity events in my entire life involved a John Dee book and some Watchtowers in my view. It was on a day when I was trying to send messages back to Dee using 1881, and a book was handed to me as a surprise. Who else connects Dee to the Watchtowers?

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    If someone passed you a copy of the Watchtower you were given Jehovah Witness literature. lol It's published in no less than 444 languages. 

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  23. On 5/26/2024 at 11:09 PM, Light-of-Truth said:

    Two easy ways to think of the Sonnets design are as a clock and a compass.

    12:00 AM, Midnight with the compass pointing North the Sonnets begin with:

    FRom fairest creatures we desire increase,

    Line 1, Day 1, Sonnet 1. The cycle begins...

    12:00 AM on my clock the hands points up, or North. For me, Midnight points North by default, both hands.

    The end of Sonnet 77 is the Middle of the Sonnets it just came up in this thread. 77 Sonnets and then 77 more Sonnets to make 154. Easy math.

    The last line of the first half of the Sonnets is the last Line of Sonnet 77 which is Line 1,078 of the Sonnets:

    Shall profit thee,and much inrich thy booke.

    So this Line is at the 6:00 place on a clock (5:59 and 59 seconds) and due South on a compass. Both hands down. I've yet to understand why this line is here, but may not need to.

    The "Middle" of the first half is easy to find. On a clock I'd look for 3:00 O'clock or East on a compass. 

    The Sonnets Pyramid design has 364 Days synced with the 154 Sonnets. The first half of the Sonnets has 182 Days and 77 Sonnets. The second half of the Sonnets has the same numbers. The 182 Days of each half can be divided in half to end up with 91 Days in each quarter.

    The last Line of Day 91, ending the first quarter of the Sonnets is:

    That by this seperation I may giue:

    We'll revisit that, but what is the Line at 9:00 and West on the compass?

    It is the star to euery wandring barke,

    This is a very important Line (1618) in the Sonnets in a very important Sonnet (116).

    OK, so let's think about this. To me the "star" should point North. So if we accept "That by this seperation I may give:" with the colon in the original and rotate the clock/compass by 90 degrees we have the "It is the star to euery wandring barke," at 11:59:59 PM on Day 364 to be the final Line of the Sonnets with both hands up and pointing true North.

    That means the line, "Shall profit thee,and much inrich thy booke" would be at 9:00 (8:59:59) and pointing West.

    Let me say this, I have explored four variations and they all work. It's like your can turn the clock and compass by 90 degrees and each arrangement has special surprises.

    If we end the Sonnets with "Shall profit thee,and much inrich thy booke" at 11:59:59 PM, which fits into one scenario, then, "It is the star to euery wandring barke," is at 3:00 pointing East. I feel like Freemasons might like that idea. The Sun is a star, right? 😉

    The Sonnets design is so amazing, even knowing what I know it blows my mind. I believe it is a lot older than Bacon and Shakespeare.

     

     

    By definition the Sun is the Great Oriental (Eastern) star. It is called that because of where it is found on the horizon when the Sun rises. The Western star could be thought of as the same Sun setting on the horizon (as in death). The occidental star guides our ships (lives). Death is the signpost that guides you to the afterlife. Go this way...

    When Haliburton wrote of the star that guides the sailors' barques he used the Stella Maria (Polaris). This has the connotation of the star that guides all other stars as all stars revolve around the Northern Star in our sky. That works too. 

    Geographically speaking the East has long been equated with Jerusalem (it once was treated as a pole atop the world in earlier times), so it is reasonable to think that the meaning of going West is to tail it in the opposite direction (in the direction of the setting Sun), perhaps through the Pillars of Hercules. Traditionally, the sailors sailed West by following the great Northern Constellations which were visible at or near their latitudes.  For Northern Europe that was around 40-45 degrees latitude. This is where you can inject the Summer triangle and Cygnus in the narrative because of their utmost prominence. They come and add another geometric component to the story with the triangular asterism. The Eastern triangular asterism is Triangulum. On this line pointing West we can imagine a symbolic journey towards the completion of some preordained journey. To Bacon and company, heading West was promoted as that sort of God ordained plan for England. 

    Going 100 degrees (for completion) West from Jerusalem gets you to a longitude of 66.6 W of Paris. The third and the two thirds are involved in this journey through the Paris longitude. There is something very musical about involving the perfect third with the perfect fifth when they are attached to the tonic. It recalls an idea of a harmony of the spheres upon the globe treated as a sphere. 

     

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  24. On 5/26/2024 at 2:58 PM, Allisnum2er said:

    Hi C.J,

    My research led me to this passage few years ago.

    At that time, I did not imagine that some messages could eventually be concealed in the middle of some passages.

    However, I quickly realized that there were some differences between the text in the First Folio (1623) and the one in the first (1603) and second (1604) Quatro.

    https://internetshakespeare.uvic.ca/Library/facsimile/book/BL_Q2_Ham/38/index.html%3fzoom=750.html

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    Notice that in the Quatros, there is no mention of Hercules and his load and that in the passage of Hamlet we have "twenty, fortie, fifty, a hundred". Moreover, "s'bloud" is missing in the First Folio.

    In my view, the missing "fifty" could be explained by the importance of the sum 20 + 40 + 100 = 160

    It could be a clue, an indication, suggesting to take a closer look at the pages of the First Folio related with 160.

    At that time, my idea was strenghtened by another one , a cipher that I found  that gave interesting results and that I called the K1 cipher.

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    I shared a part of my ideas/suggestions on pages 160 of the First Folio by the past.

    Here is something that I did not share before.

    The first page 160 of the First Folio in " A Midsummer Night's Dream" is the 177th page of the Book by counting from Ben Jonson's poem "To the Reader".

    https://internetshakespeare.uvic.ca/Library/facsimile/book/SLNSW_F1/178/index.html%3fzoom=1275.html

    177 is WILLIAM SHAKESPEARE simple cipher.

    If we consider that Ben Jonson's poem is on page 2, this page 160 is the 178th page of the First Folio.

    Interestingly, 178 is the Kay Cipher of WILL TUDOR.

    On this page , a simple message was conceal'd with a simple  instruction to follow in order to find it.

    And the message was concealed ... IN THE MIDDLE !

    "Make periods in the midst of sentences"

    "To shew our simple skill"

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    Notice that the Prologue tells us all we need to know in order to find this simple message.

    WILL IS HERE.

    "That is the true beginning of our end"

    The letters A and T may refer to Aleph and Tav , the Beginning and the End.

    Now, WHO IS THIS "WILL" ?

    WILL(IAM) SHAKESPEARE or WILL TUDOR or both of them ? 🙂

     I underlined "but all disordered" because I wonder if it could be an anagram concealing "tudor".

     

    Back to the passage in Hamlet that you mentioned.

    I think that you could be right with your idea of "FORTUNA".

    Once again, I share ideas/ suggestions/( But maybe should I use now the word "infections" ? 😄)

    This passage could have been modified between 1604 and 1623 in order to conceal more messages.

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    One of the loads of Hercules was the weight of the WORLD.

    Right under "carry it" the word "Lord" and the "w" of "would" form the word WORLD.

    And fortuna could , indeed, be a possibility that make sense.

    Now, why Hercules and not Atlas instead ?

    Could it be because of a link between Hercules and Fortuna that does not exist between Atlas and Fortuna ?

    https://www.antiquarius.it/en/xvii-xviii-century-dutch-school/9457-vertu-mesure-du-bon-heur-hercules-fortuna.html

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    I do not say that this is what was intended but a possibility, I share my thoughts.

    Another important load of Hercules was the Two Pillars, the "Twin T".

    https://collections.artsmia.org/art/124314/hercules-carrying-the-columns-of-gaza-sebald-beham

    Could it be an invitation to find the two pillars (T.T.) ?

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    T.T. W. TUDOR -  Little Porke (Hamlet)

    There is something in this (minus the fifty) that is more than natural. If only philosophy could find out. Philosophy is most certainly science here as we can conclude that there is a play with natural philosophy (what became science to us). There's no way to pierce the mystery of death with science.

    I am interested in the symbolic meaning attributed to 100 in the Bible. It is given as completion. I assume this comes from Hellenism and the idea of the squaring of 10. The cubing of 10 gives us the glorious reign of Christ in 1000 years, for example. 

    There seems to be no doubt about 20 and 40. They are carriers of the death and resurrection idea. It may very well be that all is imagined to rest on the twin pillars that are life and afterlife. In this life you are merely standing on one leg, and it is one leg in the journey. The other leg of the journey is going to take you to the undiscovered country. 

    20/100 is the perfect fifth. With the third and the tonic completes the musical chord (tritone). 40 is of the dimension 5x8 which is used to depict the cross with a midway point on its stem that forms an angle of 40 degrees with the end points of the arms. There something "scientificky" in this that echoes the supernatural beliefs in numbers. To me, at least, this gives an insight into how the propagandizing of patterns in numbers was exploited to attempt to strengthen religious beliefs. 

    There is certainly an idea of the "will" of God being behind it since we are constantly being presented with the idea of an architect with a plan.  

    Symbols get borrowed a lot. I came across the TT symbolism again this morning in a not too surprising place:

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    We can immediately see how the 18 and the 40 were also incorporated into the symbolic package which includes the starting crescent (symbol of the rebirth) and the white horse and the dark horse (who is carrying away the white female figure). Nice bridge into the K cipher scheme...

    Anyway, it is also a good reminder that people who use these symbols can be up to no good. What hides behind a symbol is not always true to the ideal. This is true of Christianity and of Protestantism. 

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