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  1. 4 hours ago, RoyalCraftiness said:

    This got me thinking about how prominent the SHA is again.  Sin(x) * Hypothenuse= the length of the opposing side (let's call it A). 

    The length of the Hypothenuse is 1+Phi on the Delta alignment. The angle is 18 degrees.

    Sin (18) * (1+1.618)= 81/100  Bam, you can make that shit up! lol

    Can we confirm this with google Earth distances by doubling the distance from the Mahone Bay point to Bermuda(Devil's island) for the length of A. 

    is Sin(18) x 8 134 666  equal to 2 *(1 346 958m)? 

    is 2 693 916/ 8 134 666=0.33 equal to Sin (18)?

    0.33/0.31=1.06  yes, almost !

    Why is it not perfect? The delta alignment is truer to showing an approximate 1.6:1 than 1.618:1 . Also Devil's island isn't quite on the half way point. It's close, but no cigar!. If we factor these two errors in our small calculation the identity holds and we have a neat way to triangulate some distances in the New world. For example, I could very easily tell you what the distance is from Newport to the Mahone Bay point if I understood Newport to be on the Dodecagon's apex.

    What should we call this damn SHA line anyway? How about the  "Sha-spear" that reaches out and points to NA?

     

     

    I suppose the next thing to show is the funerary plaque where the 4 ARCs define the four circles that give the center vertical (SS through the pillars of the H of "SHA"  to AA)  and where the main diagonals intersect on the apex of the A of Sha. The SHA is there in the Vesica staring at us where the hog hangs. 

    Curious, I'm wondering if I ever noticed that 16+16+53+23=108. I must have. 108 in quarternary is 27; the side of the perfect ashlar and the sum of the letter values of SHA (18+10+1). I now discover that the length of the side of the Masonic ashlar is just the base4 value of 108. In the ternary, base3, 108 is 36 which is the apex angle of the Golden triangle. Well done Mr. Dee. Quite a sha-manistic treatment.

    SHA is an Egyptian word that refers to the "Set Animal", a totemic animal of the Gods. His hieroglyph's meaning is storm, tumult or what is best according to Wikipedia: tempest. The Greek take of the Set animal is the Typhon which has given us our word for storm, "typhoon". Out of the primordial tumult has come order, "ordo ab chao" in Masonic parlance. That is geometric beauty out of total randomness. Here, in this monument, we have the primordial chaos at the center of the Vesica which is the birthplace. Everything is perfectly consistent in meaning. We can add to that "The Tempest" which was written last is given first in in the First Folio. It is as it should be by having the "work" begin with he tumult of the storm. This is an example of how a paradoxal compass can guide one's decision making.

    The SS should probably be thought of as the Sanctum Sanctorum which is itself precisely given with a floor plan to give us the location of the sanctuary. SHA may have a Masonic twist as the suggestion of the fictional sanctuary of Hiram Abiff. To escape Europe's problems may have very well entailed finding sanctuary in the New World. There's certainly a rationale for invoking such a story if you are promoting colonization.

    The man called Sha-kespeare is concealing quite a bit with his name. he he...

    Where is Shakespeare in all this? He has gone home to the dust from where he came when he was a passenger on this planet, scattered back into the randomness. The living Shakespeare is found in the pages of his work. And it hardly matters that we can call him by a woman's name, Rose,  or  by a side of ham, Bacon, because it is the words that are the only living thing now. They still make us wonder and give us insight into the thinking of whoever wrote them.

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  2. 15 hours ago, RoyalCraftiness said:

    For me that seems to be an obvious allusion to Pi (TT mention). The tables would be trigonometric tables which show the ratios of sides of triangles on the unit circle.  Dee would have known some angle values by heart, especially the angles which give integer fractions. I would also wager he knew all the irrational ones expressed  by sqrt of integers too.

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    This got me thinking about how prominent the SHA is again.  Sin(x) * Hypothenuse= the length of the opposing side (let's call it A). 

    The length of the Hypothenuse is 1+Phi on the Delta alignment. The angle is 18 degrees.

    Sin (18) * (1+1.618)= 81/100  Bam, you can't make that shit up! lol

    Can we confirm this with google Earth distances by doubling the distance from the Mahone Bay point to Bermuda(Devil's island) for the length of A. 

    is Sin(18) x 8 134 666  equal to 2 *(1 346 958m)? 

    is 2 693 916/ 8 134 666=0.33 equal to Sin (18)?

    0.33/0.31=1.06  yes, almost !

    Why is it not perfect? The delta alignment is truer to showing an approximate 1.6:1 than 1.618:1 . Also Devil's island isn't quite on the half way point. It's close, but no cigar!. If we factor these two errors in our small calculation the identity holds and we have a neat way to triangulate some distances in the New world. For example, I could very easily tell you what the distance is from Newport to the Mahone Bay point if I understood Newport to be on the Dodecagon's apex.

    What should we call this damn SHA line anyway? How about the  "Sha-spear" that reaches out and points to NA?

     

     

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  3. 25 minutes ago, Light-of-Truth said:

    There is description (I meant to paste this above and note what I have bolded):

    FIRST EDITION OF THE FIRST WORK TO USE THE TERM 'BRYTISH IMPIRE'. This is the only part published of Dee's proposed great project 'The British Monarchie'. Stemming from his strong antiquarian interests, 'Dee was a firm believer in the historicity of ... "British history"' (ODNB). This led to his interest in the legendary voyage of Madog ab Owain Gwynedd to North America, and to his claiming large parts of the new world for Queen Elizabeth. The large allegorical woodcut on the title shows the Queen at the helm of the Christian ship of Europe, while the Greek motto translates as 'the guardian of safety is an armed fleet'. The context thus set, in this work Dee calls for the creation of a 'Pety-Navy-Royall' to secure England's fledging colonial interests. It is also the first work to discuss the law of the sea; he proposes the taxation of foreign fishermen in British waters as a way of securing the fisheries. The dedicatee, Christopher Hatton, one of Elizabeth's closest advisors and confidants, invested in the dream of Empire by co-funding Drake's circumnavigation voyage of 1577-1580. Dee himself invested in the voyages of Martin Frobisher in 1576-1577; later he was actively involved with advocating North-East and North-West Passages. Fittingly for man known for astrology and esoteric leanings, although Dee's name is explicitly stated in the third person in the dedication, it is also encoded in the signatures of the first three quires ('?ee'), in the letter inset on e3r, as well as in other places. EXTREMELY RARE: a statement on p.79 says that only 100 copies were printed of this work, although in the Huntington copy this has been amended in manuscript in a contemporary hand to 50 copies. ONLY 5 COPIES CAN BE TRACED AS SELLING AT AUCTION, NONE OF THEM COLOURED (ABPC/AE-online).

     

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    Thankfully, there's no need to go buy one, and owning a copy confers absolutely nothing in the way of appreciating its symbolism.  "There is more concealed than revealed". Can you imagine owning this and not knowing what you have, going on instead about how rare and beautiful it is to the eye? A fool and his money are soon parted. lol I'm reminded of something a guru told Joe Rogan on his podcast: don't seek to be happy externally. The value of this document is what it can do for you internally. It can give you joy and good vibes. If I had this document I would soon sell it to someone who thought it gave him prestige to own it. BTW, I'm not going to charge you for any of my insights regarding its composition. Free good vibes for you!

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  4. 4 minutes ago, Light-of-Truth said:

    Is that all the poster had to say about it? lol. He loved the colors. That's deep. Any empirical takes on the image?

    Hey, there's a skull there on the side reminding us to remember death. Did not notice it before. Whose the lady in purple sitting on a bull on a small island(?). Never mind, I've solved that. It's from Revelation 17.7, a woman riding a wild beast is a symbol of Rome that is "intoxicated with the blood of the Saints" (explains why she's foolishly riding a bull!). I'm sure the three wise friars are explaining to Elizabeth that she's on a prophesized path.

     

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  5. 10 hours ago, RoyalCraftiness said:

    The coat of arms is on the rudder. 3^4 there for 81 too.  What is steering the ship is an armorial symbol of the quarternary and ternary united. That was a property of Dee's IOD.

    I just noticed something. Look at the Tudor roses. They both have 2x5=10 petals. Look at the centers. One has 24 circles in it the other 12, I believe. Clever. There's stuff in the minutia of this image.

    The sword of the archangel Michel is parallel to the side of Kepler's triangle and the center pyramid. 

    99 is your symbolic last step on the way to the cross which is 100. It's the point from which you make your final leap of faith. You can never get to the understanding of the cross empirically. You will come up short. It will take that final step to reach it. It is a blind step which involves a death and rebirth dynamic. That's what I could see Dee saying about it. It's very much like the 32 and 33 degree business in Freemasonry. 3x33=99

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  6. 11 hours ago, Light-of-Truth said:

    Well, you know me, I'll suggest the Sonnets with its "sets of tables" might be part of a compass.

    The first line of Day 287 in the Sonnets:

    TThy guift,,thy tables,are within my braine

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    Adding three more lines:

    TThy guift,,thy tables,are within my braine
    Full characterd with lasting memory,
    Which shall aboue that idle rancke remaine
    Beyond all date euen to eternity.

    Some more context to consider, I guess...

    Look at the trigonometric table again. There is an "idle rank" at zero degrees, and the thing goes to infinity with Tan(pi/2) which is equal to tan(180). As you approach Pi/2 the value of Tan(pi/2) spirals to infinity. This I have just realized is the idea behind the paradoxal compass. On a Mercator map all straight lines are rumbs. A rumb when seen on a globe is a loxodrome. A loxodrome is a spiral. On a stereographic map a spiral will appear like a logarithmic spiral which is, wait for it...the type of spiral that you get when you use the golden triangle 36-72-72 to be its backbone. It's totally clear to me what Dee was up to now. He "discovered", probably from discussions with Mercator himself, that the presence of the spiral to the North pole could allow an observer to sight the Sun and know where he was radially on the spiral. Latitude was easily determinable so the spiral offered a way do calculate where you were E-W (longitude). This finally explains why Sylva Sylvarum is showing us a stereographic projection of the globe. Phew! I thought I would never explain that. It woudld appear that the SS image is offering us a similar set of navigation "hints" while at the same time repeating many of the same "paradoxal compass" themes that are esoteric symbols (Sun, Tetragrammaton, Pillars of Hercules (PHi), Mytre of St Peter, stereographic projection...and of course the high geometric planning of the composition of the image). It was presented to us by Rawley in Bacon's swan song (his last work).

    I am very happy with this. This supports the idea that the alignment through the pillars is essentially a reference for some added geometry exploiting the heading. It could have served, as I have suggested to pull up geomterically significant points by projecting polygons from the delta point. I am just now reminded of something I read last night...Someone wrote that Dee had a bunch of cutout shapes (on what we might think of as card stock) which he liked to put together and rearrange. This is exactly the stuff that I can envision him using the Delta-Pillars line for. Sit a pentagon on it and project it's third vertex with a straight edge and you can slide the pentagon along the line to immediately show 3 points that are divided in a 1:Phi ratio. You can do that with any shape and explore where the vertexes will hit the North American coast. With the 12-gon (dodecagon) that is Newport. It will work with the 24-gon the same way, but involving the 10th vertex in that case. This would have truly impressed Dee as the 10, 24 pairing is to him the "flavor" of the quarternary. 1+2+3+4=10; 1x2x3x4=24.

    I'll later post a quoted passage which mentions that Gilbert was trained by Dee in 1576 in all this geometry prior to his his ill fate voyage of 1583 where he went to the Dee river in view of Newport. Gilbert was pretty challenged by all the maths from what I can gather. I can just imagine that, because it's like first showing trigonometry to a grade 10 student who might see it as Chinese at first.

  7. 9 hours ago, Light-of-Truth said:

    We see Elizabeth's ship and 84 pointing to 18, 81 and that is where it is heading. Eternity, by design.

    Lately I see 99 pop up with 81. I know 180 - 81 is 99, duh, but somehow I feel I should know more about 99.

    It is April 9, the day Bacon "died", and Sonnet 99 has an "extra" line in it, so it is not unfamiliar to me.

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    The coat of arms is on the rudder. 3^4 there for 81 too.  What is steering the ship is an armorial symbol of the quarternary and ternary united. That was a property of Dee's IOD.

    I just noticed something. Look at the Tudor roses. They both have 2x5=10 petals. Look at the centers. One has 24 circles in it the other 12, I believe. Clever. There's stuff in the minutia of this image.

    The sword of the archangel Michel is parallel to the side of Kepler's triangle and the center pyramid. 

  8. 3 minutes ago, Light-of-Truth said:

    We see Elizabeth's ship and 84 pointing to 18, 81 and that is where it is heading. Eternity, by design.

    Lately I see 99 pop up with 81. I know 180 - 81 is 99, duh, but somehow I feel I should know more about 99.

    It is April 9, the day Bacon "died", and Sonnet 99 has an "extra" line in it, so it is not unfamiliar to me.

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    She's got the wind in her sails and she's heading West. The Great Eastern star here is tagged with the tetragrammaton. Who are the three wise guys on the ship?

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  9. 18 minutes ago, Light-of-Truth said:

    For as long as I have learned much about Dee (25 years +), the number 188 has been part of him. 1881 became a number for me that was a connection to Dee.

    It's almost like a magic number I learned that connects past and future. It's like a time machine, for me anyway.

    <-- 1881 -->

    So right now with what you are sharing, and what I am seeing on Dee's Navigation cover page is freaking me out a little. And it takes a LOT to freak me out! 😉

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    It's part of the reason 81 is so Masonically charged. Dee was particularly fascinated by the ternary and the quartenary. 3^4=81 ; 4^3=64. The two triangles in the Sonnets dedication are 81 words and 64 words long. They are the squares of 9 and 8. The "by" between the two makes for 9x8=72 (names of God; Tetragrammaton) and 81x64 which is 1/5th of the precession cycle (a point on the cycle  divided by five where each of the 5 stars who will act as a North star in that cycle sit. Cygnus is the next one. If you cannot be impressed by his esoteric matchmaking of concepts you are hard to move. He obviously looked deep to see the recurring patterns of numbers. 1 degree of precession take 72 years to achieve. It must have given him shivers to see all the parallels. It's no wonder they saw all this as proof of God the architect. The meaning of 40 in cycles was rationalized too.

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  10. For me that seems to be an obvious allusion to Pi (TT mention). The tables would be trigonometric tables which show the ratios of sides of triangles on the unit circle.  Dee would have known some angle values by heart, especially the angles which give integer fractions. I would also wager he knew all the irrational ones expressed  by sqrt of integers too.

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  11. 25 minutes ago, Light-of-Truth said:

    I find this 100% fascinating and want to know more. Where does this idea come from??

    In a way it is how I have known Dee even before I knew anything about him.😉

     

    The 1577 work's title page mentions that the description of the paradoxical compass is to be annexed. Apparently, it never was. It has remained undescribed by Dee.  Some writers of the day mentioned that some sailors possessed this device, so this tells me that he had probably integrated his esoteric stuff into an idea around observing cast shadows of the Sun  on a compass extension in such a way that it offered corrections that might make Mercator maps as useful as Globes with great circles for navigating or locating yourself.  By 1599 thee were apparently tables already made that would have made his device unnecessary. It appears to have been an attempt to solve the longitude problem.

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  12. 16 minutes ago, Light-of-Truth said:

    I find this 100% fascinating and want to know more. Where does this idea come from??

    In a way it is how I have known Dee even before I knew anything about him.😉

     

    "From some papers of Dee's bearing on his invention, it might appear that it was as much a new method of computing data, by the aid of sets of tables, as a mechanical instrument, and was perhaps intended as a way of achieving the same advantages, while employing the standard charts of the time, as Mercator's charts on which loxodromes could be drawn as straight lines, later offered, though only for fairly low latitudes."

    Commenters are split on what the paradoxal compass was. I like the fact it mentions using Mercator maps with straight lines. I can get on board with that with what I'm seeing.

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  13. 3 minutes ago, Light-of-Truth said:

    I can certainly feel that lure into another realm, as if I feel myself slipping into a void. Its very similar to my past experiences with Dee. It was just a few minutes ago I realized there were two 18s outside the two sets of three 24s. Here we have another portal into Eternity. Dee knew what he was doing.

    <-- 18 24 24 24       24 24 24 18 -->      

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    That said, this geometric conversation can be never-ending and we are in a thread about Gorhambury, so I am going to pause my posts about it, maybe not my tinkering with the new toy though. I am sure anybody who is not obsessed with numbers might get tired of this quickly. It's MATH! LOL

     

     

     

     

     

    Didn't you say nobody was reading these threads? Must we be theoretically respectful? What are you waiting for to put up a general discussion thread? I come here only to find your posts in order to reply to them. Should I e-mail you instead? Nevermind I'll delete all my posts before I'm asked to leave again. lol

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  14. 1 hour ago, Light-of-Truth said:

    Concerning the "paradoxal compass" referred to: 

    "John Dee, the renowned Elizabethan mathematician, astronomer, and occultist, was fascinated by the concept of the “Paradoxal Compass.” In his writings, he alluded to a mystical instrument that could guide its user through both physical and metaphysical realms. The compass symbolized the interconnectedness of knowledge, bridging the gap between science, magic, and spirituality.

    Dee believed that this enigmatic compass could reveal hidden truths, allowing one to navigate not only geographical landscapes but also the intricate labyrinths of the human mind and the mysteries of the universe. It represented a convergence of empirical observation and esoteric wisdom—an instrument capable of transcending conventional boundaries.

    While the specifics of the Paradoxal Compass remain shrouded in mystery, its symbolism continues to inspire curiosity and contemplation. Perhaps it serves as a reminder that our quest for understanding extends beyond the material world, urging us to explore uncharted territories of thought and imagination."

    This is the idea that brings this all together. 

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  15. 1 hour ago, Light-of-Truth said:

    I assumed exactly that. Nice video.

    Getting back to the image. The arcs I drew from the base corners intercept two Tees and an A, so I decided to look into this. The line A-A goes through 24 nicely (the 24 is even slightly canted to suggest it. I drew the triangle that joins the center of the coat of arms and notice its apex angle is 66.6. That got me wondering about that A-A line that cuts it. It cuts that triangle into a smaller one that I show here. Angles are 66.6 and 44.4  where I show them. That' s handy because it sums to 111 which is Agrippa's planetary magic square constant for the Sun which is on the central divider below straight below it. The triangle has corners T A.  The top is the coat of arms which is contained in Dee's IOD (a circle divided by a line which gives two Dees. It kinda makes that triangle be a D-T-A suggestion which we could interpret as a cue to "delta" if we conclude that Dee equated the Sun God "On" to "El" as the later Masonic tradition did. Adding El to DTA gives us Delta. 

    With the 36 above it we are reminded that there are ten 36s in a circle and that the IOD is symbolic of ten.  Because it sits on the "I" we might deduce "I Delta" which would be consistent with Dee's signature in the Monas Hieroglyphica. Why give us the 66.6 and 44.4? Well, they sum to 111 and they are in 3:2 proportion. That's not nothing. That happens to be the Pythagorean harmonic that music is built upon, and 2/3 of 100 (the cross) is 66.6. It's also  the boundaries of the Cygnus constellation in terms of degrees N and W (from Paris). That ground point is on the Phi alignment from the Delta point through the Pillars.

    It goes further as one of those other angles is 40 degrees. It will have to be studied more. 

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  16. 13 minutes ago, Light-of-Truth said:

    OK, see the red arrows below.

    First I used the four corners of the lower frame to explore and test, then I tinkered with the placement of the top of the triangle resting on the point at the bottom of that top center design.

    You can see the page is distorted from the scan, so my interpretation is an approximate at best. To be 100% certain of any intention, we'd need to have a true scaled in proportion scan. What I did is not perfect with the scan, as you can see. But it is close enough to pay attention to.

    Do you not see what I see? Why does this look "random" to you? It was the result of some time playing around, based on your prompt, I was looking for the number 24 which is hinted in the design, as you mentioned. With a 72 degree angle on both bottom sides of the 36 degree top I knew there would be three 24 degree angles on each side (72/3 is 24). I thought that is what you were sending me off to find, figuring I was missing more. But of course the design is infinite, so it goes on and on forever...

    Yes, of course, I split the 36 in half to create two Triangulum triangles as well during my playtime. I am sure you wondered if I noticed. 😉

     

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    None of the points were random. I used the bisecting tool and other geometric tools to make them all.

    Oh, I know how you produced that: loosely. lol The thing is that it is not fitting as an overlay. It is almost not fitting at all. You basically used the center divider and a the bottom finial on it and called it good enough. Had you considered actual points on that image you would have noticed how they work to relocate the 36 degree angle corner along the central divider.  Use the bottom corners of the whole frame, find the 72 degree intersection from both and build the pentagon from the golden triangle produced. It will define the lower image's frame top. That's the answer to why the image is not in a square frame.  Everything else you show there as far as angle values still applies when shifted.

    Tees are intersected in the top oval by the arcs I mentioned. An A-A line goes through 24. Stuff like that was likely designed to happen precisely. 

    I agree to avoid the top most part of the right hand corner. Things there are curved slightly downward. The three other corners are relatively square and can suggest to us where the 4th corner should be to allow a decent look at where the diagonals intersect. When you match the mid points and the intersections of the armature lines the image stands up to scrutiny. It's a good image to study if you determine where that top right corner should be were that page undistorted.

  17. 1 hour ago, Light-of-Truth said:

    Random attribution? I suspect you are playing with me now full aware of my reasoning. LOL

    As with seeking ciphers, and doing my daily work as a programmer and software developer, I "test and measure" as a rule. One has to narrow down all the possibilities filtering out fluff get to a few potential serious paths. Then look closer to see what might be the best results given the data at hand. How else would I troubleshoot a problem?

    If I have a theory or thought, I test it. If it does not work, I'll try the next idea. With ciphers it may be word counts or page numbers that sync with words or concepts. Or maybe nothing works and then I move into the next thing.

    With geometry which is really new to me, using that incredible GeoGebra tool that is fun as anything I have come across in several years, I can try different points. You might think they are random, but they are results of a process working out in my pea brain. In the example you question I used the bottom corners and the bottom tip of the top center design. Remember I am also a graphic designer by trade, so I am trained to look for balance, composition, proximity, positioning, alignment, etc. With GeoGebra one can set three points and then move them around to try different positions and measure angles. That's what I did.

    Is that cheating? I've been told by old-school photographers that using Photoshop to enhance photos is cheating. But at the end of the day whoever has the best photos wins. Is using GeoGebra to seek out the possible intent of the original artists cheating?

    My favorite geometric discovery in the past week is this one:

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    That process started with this one design element:

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    Call me silly, but is this NOT a clue?

    When the two bottom corners of the frame are used and checked for a 72 degree relation this is what comes out:

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    The 36 degree angle falls on the "i" under the crown in the coat of arms. 

    When one checks for any further niceties one finds that this golden triangle can be built up to a pentagon whose top horizontal is the top of the of the lower image's rectangular frame. 

    Because the base is common to the triangle made from the long diagonal across the frame. The line from the corner to this shield spot should be equal to the side length of the frame (=Phi). This means a circle centered at the bottom left corner should go through the top left corner and the coat of arms intersection point. I checked that and it does.  It would appear that the golden triangle was used to locate the top of the image rectangle for composition purposes. That's likely why it is not a square.

    Your idea was good, but you have not placed the golden triangle where it corresponds to anything that is supportive of that.

    Incidentally, there are opposing matching symbols in the shield. 3 of everything shown. 3+3+3+3=12; 3x3x3x3=81.

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  18. 43 minutes ago, Light-of-Truth said:

    Random attribution? I suspect you are playing with me now full aware of my reasoning. LOL

    As with seeking ciphers, and doing my daily work as a programmer and software developer, I "test and measure" as a rule. One has to narrow down all the possibilities filtering out fluff get to a few potential serious paths. Then look closer to see what might be the best results given the data at hand. How else would I troubleshoot a problem?

    If I have a theory or thought, I test it. If it does not work, I'll try the next idea. With ciphers it may be word counts or page numbers that sync with words or concepts. Or maybe nothing works and then I move into the next thing.

    With geometry which is really new to me, using that incredible GeoGebra tool that is fun as anything I have come across in several years, I can try different points. You might think they are random, but they are results of a process working out in my pea brain. In the example you question I used the bottom corners and the bottom tip of the top center design. Remember I am also a graphic designer by trade, so I am trained to look for balance, composition, proximity, positioning, alignment, etc. With GeoGebra one can set three points and then move them around to try different positions and measure angles. That's what I did.

    Is that cheating? I've been told by old-school photographers that using Photoshop to enhance photos is cheating. But at the end of the day whoever has the best photos wins. Is using GeoGebra to seek out the possible intent of the original artists cheating?

    My favorite geometric discovery in the past week is this one:

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    That process started with this one design element:

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    Call me silly, but is this NOT a clue?

    I'm not questioning that particular image.  I'm well aware of that 33 degree approximation. What are you criteria for selecting the points in the golden triangle suggestion you show where the 72 degree angle corners do not coincide with anything? It would be great if it fit, but does it?  It helps to select a dot size that is 2 or 1 as to not have 1/16th of an inch error or more.  Same thing with line widths. I suggest 2 or less and dotted. That way we can see exactly what is being pointed to.  If by any chance you prefer to reverse fit an existing shape onto an image to see if you can deduce a geometry my advice is that it is isn't as reliable as first simply identifying all the main points and looking for a relationship between them. That will remove any bias that makes one want to see something. 

  19. On 7/9/2024 at 2:09 PM, Light-of-Truth said:

    I see some patterns emerging... 🙂

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    What is the basis for the random attribution of the blue dots? Are you fudging things to make that 36-72-72 triangle appear? What you show there is true of that triangle, but is that triangle actually part of the composition? I'm not seeing it? Corners don't get involved. How did you select the points?

    What is there is:

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    The overall frame is given to present the Phi proportion, as the main diagonal is 58.18 degrees from the base. Tan (58.18)=1.61.  If the base is 1 unit of length the side is Phi in length. If you follow that diagonal you see that it involves the rose, the "R O", the edge of the Sun, the edge of the citadel and the tip of the mast of the ship for example. The diagonal informs the placement of the elements in the image.

    From the bottom corners I have drawn circles of radii=EF (going through each other's center). The Sun is nested in the "crotch" of the two arcs. You can also see that the Chi Rho above the masts of Elizabeth's ships are placed on that arc too.

    From the mid point of the sides I have drawn circles of radii Phi/2. They intersect the previous arcs at T and O which are give us a horizontal that defines the bottom of the statue and the tip of the pyramid that it has its foot on.

    Point T and O form angles of 38.17 at the top corners. The complimentary of that appears as 51.83 as angles at the corners T and O.

    This makes COE and GTF two identical Kepler Triangles. This, by definition, means their sides are in proportion 1: sqrt Phi: Phi^2.

    The 51.83 degree angle is the corner angle value of a pyramid constructed to have the area of the square side length equal to the area of it face). Triangle ATO in this image is centered in the frame and it is pretty faithful representation of the Great Pyramid of Khufu.  The triangle forms a horizontal that goes from Phi to the right to K on the left. We  could imagine that K to suggest Khufu. 

    Phi is the 21st letter in Greek. Dee considered V in Latin the 21st. VV was a sumbol of the cross. In this image the center vertical goes through PP. That is akin to VV in number value if we take each to stand for Phi.

    Visually he "pyramid" face gives the placement of the Sun at the pyramidion, Occasio is at one corner and Elizabeth is at the other. The implied meaning here is likely that Elizabeth must take advantage of the opportunity and "rescue" those poor souls who are having their cities burned by the Spaniards in the image. Doing so will be in accordance with God's plan which is always guided by a divine proportion which Dee is seeking to suggest.

    Above the "pyramid" in blue is a similar inverted pyramid in yellow. This I like to think of as Dee's "Delta". If you read the diagonals from R and O to "Delta" back up to E you get RO(Delta)E which was the code name RODE for his plan. 

    The suggestion, as I see it, is that we are to focus on that point at the apex of the inverted Delta where the pyramid is located as the origin for the Christianized geo based plan. When we do we can can come to realize that there is a Mercator map alignment involving a North American point when we go through the Pillars of Hercules which will define a ratio of distances between those points that is 1:Phi. 

    The triangle you are presenting us with is the "golden triangle" whose base to side ratio is Phi by definition. The golden triangle 36-72-72 appears in the Euclidian plan as the one with side equal to the Pillars Mahone-Bay distance (confirming that distance is Phi when the distance from Delta Apex-Pillars Hercules=1 unit.

     

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    Dee must have noticed that the 18-81-81 triangle is a representation of Triangulum's star positions.

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    By making that simple observation he had a symbolic way to inject the angle of 18 degrees that also involved a constellation that the Greeks called Deltoton and associated with a ground point in the Nile Delta (where it is zenith twice a day).  I would suggest that Bacon echoed this with the use of the name Mytre of St Peter in the Sylva Sylvarum title page (same constellation).

    Dee was the Delta in his plan (he signed the Monas Hieroglyphica by the name "Delta :" which is a 42 representaion, but also hints of following the delta line through the two points. Thing revolves around very basic ways to represent Phi as it can be showed his Monas Hieroglyph is doing too. The P(illars) of H(hercules) can even be imagined to be attesting to the desired symbolism. Just as a yod and you get Phi.

    How Newport fits into this shows that Dee was doing a simple planar unit polygon expansion from the Delta point. The Mahone Bay point is the vertex of a unit pentagon expansion. Newport is the dodecagon expansion (12=gon). Both these are half of the 24, 10 number pair Dee was focused on (fundamental aspects of the quarternary), so in the 1:2 proportion to them.  In fact, the 10-gon and 24-gon exhibit the same properties as the 5-gon and 12-gon. Here is the unit 24-gon projected from the Delta showing the 10th vertex on Newport, Rhode Island. Producing it also happens to produce a 10 degree angle at Mahone Bay as a projection from the unit pentagon. Playing with this sort of thing all day will show that no other polygon expansion comes near to having a vertex at Rhode Island but those that keep doubling in side number from 12.

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    We can date this sort of observation to no earlier than the production of Mercator Maps. Since Dee and Mercator were close acquaintances we can surmise that Dee had his hand son his maps as early as his work on the art of navigation. Furthermore, unless you knew a thing about Euclid it is impossible that you could have "seen" any of this. There's also the numerological and astronomical component that plays into this. All in all, I'd certainly qualify it as polygraphicum.

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  20. 19 hours ago, Allisnum2er said:

    GEOFFREY DE GORRON

    https://www.stalbanshistory.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/1933_03_with_cover.pdf

    "The name Gorhambury is derived from Geoffrey de
    Gorham, the sixteenth Abbot of St. Albans, who had
    been induced to leave Normandy and come to England
    by Richard de Albini, the fifteenth Abbot, to take charge
    of the famous Grammar School of the Abbey. This
    appointment did not in fact mature, but in 1119 he was
    elected to succeed de Albini in the abbatial office.
    This Geoffrey de Gorham was the builder of the first
    recorded house in Gorhambury Park."

    Gorham's real passion : THEATER

    https://www.encyclopedia.com/humanities/culture-magazines/geoffrey-de-gorron

    GORHAMBURY - GORHAM BURY

    Personally, I like the idea that GORHAM is GOR - HAM.

    Thus, GORHAMBURY gives us GOR - HAM - BURY

    GOR can stand for GOD or SPEAR.

    (GOR/GAR means "spear", See the 33rd rune of the Anglo-saxon 33-RUNE FUTHARK.)

    By Gar - Dr Caius in The Merry Wives of Windsor

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    https://internetshakespeare.uvic.ca/Library/facsimile/book/SLNSW_F1/66/?zoom=850

    By Gor - Mounsieur in Jack Drum's entertainment (1601) by John Marston.

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    https://www.google.fr/books/edition/Old_English_Drama/YrkvAQAAMAAJ?hl=fr&gbpv=1&dq=gor&pg=PP58&printsec=frontcover

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    (JACK OR JOHN ?)

    EDIT :

    I forgot to mention that in French, Gorron is a synonym of Goret that is one of the french word for HOG 😉 

    https://armorialdefrance.fr/fiches_pdf/GORRON-53.pdf

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    A Dictionarie of the French and English tongues by Randle COTGRAVE (1673)

    https://books.google.fr/books?id=0tpEoIf1AqsC&pg=PP325&lpg=PP325&dq#v=onepage&q&f=false

     

    Anyone who studies the colonial history of NA has come across the famous name that was greatly feared in these parts. 

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorham's_Rangers

    Gorham's Rangers brutally raided the area where I am from, burned the Acadians out of house and home and was a main actor in the Deportation of the French population in NS during the war that set the table for the recolonization of Nova Scotia by the English post 1760. These are the events that precipitated the planning and surveying of new townships on the lands taken. Oak Island got its neat geometric plan in 1762 and received Rhode Island settlers the next year, 1763.

    The ancestors of this prominent British military family resided about 50 miles from Gorehambury when you look into it. 

     

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  21. 14 hours ago, Light-of-Truth said:

    44.4 and 66.6?

    Funny coincidence with an old 1970's map of Busch Gardens "The Old Country".

    I spent a good hour earlier measuring angles and looking at lines and connections in their promotional map but not seeing anything that looked important or intended. I decided that it was created by very good graphic designers but they were not using any Sacred Geometry. It represents an old woodcut design, but it is art without any secret stuff. The last triangle I looked at is below after giving up on all the star and compass designs and looking only at the thin lines in the map:

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    I have not changed my mind, but I enjoy a good coincidence anyway.

    Don't go nuts trying to decode everything! lol

    There are likely very good reasons someone could become fixated with some numbers like 44.4 and 66.6 from astronomical observation.

    Take Cygnus:

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    Do  you see the Deneb there at it's declination shown by the vertical scale? Do you see Albireo and the horizontal right ascension scale? Maximum near 44-45, Westerly starting at RA 19.56. RA 19.56 is 293.4 degrees E or 66.6W. 

    We know the symbolism here. This is the Northern Cross and the location of the Stella Nova of 1600. 

    Archbishop Ussher, when deducing the date for the origin of the creation used Oct 23, 4004 BC. Oct. 23, as we can verify, is the date of seasonal culmination (transit) of  Deneb (all stars have different ones).  Might he  have wanted that day to occur at the apex height of the transit? What this allows is for even a hour and minute suggestion to be made as culmination is also a daily occurrence. 

    The sum of 44.4 an 66.6 is 111 and their ratio is 3:2 (or 2:3=0.666=66.6/100).

    If you knew with certainty that you had an alignment to Mahone Bay in ca. 1580 you had it in your ability to know that 44.4N and 66.6W was somewhere in that Bay even when sitting on your chair in England. Ultimately, this just means there is a ground point for your collection of intriguing observations you are making (that are being informed from many disciplines). What you do with that knowledge is up to you. You could imagine it has some profound meaning or none at all. It's not the proof of anything. It's just culturally significant, numerologically significant and   geometrically significant. It certainly does not mean anything of note is there. 

    It's also the top most star in an arrangement of three very bright ones that form a 40-60-80 triangle which guide ships. You might want to conclude that God is telling you something about his symbolic use of 20 and 40 if you were already cognizant of the fact that no number gets used more than 40 in the Bible (to denote a period of transformation or a new start).

    Anyway, it's a hoot that there's 40-60-80 suggestion at Gorhambury that relates so well to a cross made with a line between the Temple and the Church of St Mary. It's almost like the Swan constellation mattered greatly to someone there!

    Who the heck is the man who is identifying with the swan?

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  22. 1 hour ago, Light-of-Truth said:

     

    OK, if I start at Busch Gardens Amusement Park in Williamsburg which is a few miles south of William and Mary, and they call this Busch Gardens "The Old Country", it goes right through Mahone Bay.

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    Now I wonder who placed and designed "The Old Country."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Busch_Gardens_Williamsburg

    Look, they have a Globe Theater.

    When I was a kid in the mid '70s we'd always go to Busch Gardens on my birthday.

    Banbury Cross (England)

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    2014 Street View of Banbury Cross, England

    Banbury Cross is fashioned after old England, with phone booths and classic Tudor English architecture. Guest Services windows are located next to the turnstiles of the main entrance gate. A simulacrum of the famous Elizabeth Tower (known colloquially as Big Ben) is the central element of this area. Banbury Cross also includes The Squire's Grill, serving breakfast and lunch, as well as a funnel cake shop, ice cream shop and candy store. The Globe Theatre, a double-sized replica of William Shakespeare's Globe Theatre, is the most prominent attraction in the hamlet. In 2014, the theatre was renovated to once again hold live performances. For many years preceding 2014, the Globe Theatre's entertainment lineup consisted of 4-D films, including Haunts of the Old Country, Pirates 4-D and R.L. Stine's Haunted Lighthouse. Prior to the 4-D films, the theater hosted a variety of live shows including Mark Wilson's World's Greatest Illusions, America on Ice, Hot Ice, Celebrate America and the People's Choice. It currently features an American music show, “American Jukebox: Summer Remix”, showcasing American hits through the decades.

     

    Maybe I'll run a line from the Globe Theater in Williamsburg to Bacon's Mound...

    EDIT:

    Starting with the Globe Theatre in Busch Gardens to Bacon's Mount misses Hobsen's Island but goes through Inchcape Rock. 😉

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    You're making a mistake there and confusing the land based place name Mahone Bay (town). Mahone Bay, the bay is huge. You' re only showing a portion of it.

    You actually do know what Bacon and company had to work with. They had maps and globes. Maps to show one sort of relative alignment (headings) and globes to show great circles. How precise those were prior to the solving of the longitude problem is is something that can be studied and characterized.

    Certainly by 1762 when Oak Island was planned and surveyed there would have been pretty decent maps. Morris had charted most of NS for the British Navy in 1751. His maps are available. You could easily see how the coordinates would match today's. 

    What is encouraging is that Mahone Bay is large enough that it can be obvious that the location 44.4N and 66.6 W of Paris is within it (well within the margin or error), so it is there to be used symbolically even if no one ever set foot there. This is no different than someone knowing that the North Pole exists on a globe without having to go there.  To Dee looking at crude NA maps the only thing they may have known is that there was an alignment to that Bay.  

    In all likelihood there was never a great precision involved in this early on. The reason there is Oak Island today is probably because someone had to represent this location in order to pin a location down.  When I see people getting all excited that things are super precisely aligned at OI with places in Europe that is dead give away that it could only have been produced later. The idea of ancient precision is a myth. 

    The Gorhambury layout can be easier surveyed. Adding places to an initial geometric framework is certainly doable in the 17 and 18th century.

     

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  23. 4 hours ago, Light-of-Truth said:

    OK, playing with Google Earth now looking at Bacon's Mount, Jamestown, and Hog Island (1608).

    https://dwr.virginia.gov/marsh-cam/history-of-hog-island/

    I made a line from Hog Point which is the tip of Hog Island to Bacon's Mount.

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    That line goes through Mahone Harbour.

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    You're showing the great circle alignment of those points, and not a Ley line. What you're seeing there is that area I keep referring too South of Oak Island. 

     

    5 hours ago, Light-of-Truth said:

    OK, playing with Google Earth now looking at Bacon's Mount, Jamestown, and Hog Island (1608).

    https://dwr.virginia.gov/marsh-cam/history-of-hog-island/

    I made a line from Hog Point which is the tip of Hog Island to Bacon's Mount.

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    That line goes through Mahone Harbour.

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    I think you might want to look at the great circle alignment from Bacon's mount to Willamsburg. It passes right through Hobson's Island in Mahone Bay. Couldn't make it any better if I wanted to.  Mahone harbor is not Mahone Bay. MB is huge and discernable on a world map or a globe. There are said to be 300 islands in it. With so many choices one can select very nearby points in Virginia and have them intersect any one of the islands there. We don't really know what kind of margin of error we are talking about when it comes to determining such distant 3 point alignments.

    44.4N and 66.6W of Paris is very specific, and it has some obvious numerological baggage.  I favor the idea that things could have been calculated as long as they had coordinates in mind which were already biased for being selected. What we can't do is project the precision of our tools to the early 17 century and hope to find anything they could have that way.

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  24. 8 hours ago, Light-of-Truth said:

    I just read what Peter Dawkins says about Bacon's Mount (page 14 and 15) which is very interesting.

    https://www.fbrt.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/The_Mystery_of_Oak_Island_Pt-3_Swan_Secrets.pdf

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    Ley lines aside (these are not generally accepted to exist),  tt's a Mercator alignment (of no meaning on anything but a Mercator map) from the apex of the Delta (on the Nile) going through the Pillars of Hercules that points you to Mahone Bay where enterprising Masons apparently highlighted that on their own version of an end point ca. 1762. Prior to that date the exact location that Dee and Bacon would have observed (because it stood out) is not Oak Island. It's in Mahone Bay at the mouth of the entry where a veritable high coincidence of alignments and numerology comes together. One of the main issues regarding this exact place is that it has eroded away quite a bit since ca. 1600. I doubt it could ever have functioned a modern beacon. There's virtually nothing left of it except at low tide. It was fitting to plan at OI with all this in geometry in mind, because Charles Morris had access to only that island to work with in the laying of the Shoreham grant. He's the one who put 32 lots there which has yield a story on lot 18. 18 of 32 is the Rosy Cross degree in the Scottish Rite. 

    The high symbolism of the pyramid is most likely due to the fact that that its height in relation to it's half base length is equal to the square root of Phi.  It would appear that this observation may have rocked Dee's world at some point. How is it possible that the divine proportion appear in the greatest monument of a civilization built by heathens? You can only imagine how that must have puzzled these men who were certain all this elegant high geometry was evidence of the Christian God. Conclusion: surely God must be working to influence EVERYONE for it to have come out. This is why you see in Freemasonry this urge to blend the Gods of the three main civilizations with a concept of "Jahbulon". 

    The unit distance, if it taken to be from the delta to the Pillars produces a distance Pillars to Mahone Bay which is Phi (8x5) in relative proportion.  It is attested to by a Golden triangle on paper (a map) which cannot fail to impress anyone who is doing Geo-metry on the global scale. Who exactly was studying these early Mercator maps is quite possibly Dee who was a close friend of Mercator. It is simply not possible for any of this to have been derived from another sort of map projection (like Portolans, for example). Dee's high fascination with the divine proportion is incredibly evident in his 1577 work on the art of navigation. The main frame of the title page image has it's base to side in proportion 1:Phi. His monas construction allows us to arrive to Kepler's triangle by joining points.

     

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  25. 12 hours ago, Light-of-Truth said:

    I was playing with it, but this right triangle caught my attention. But I don't know if 70, 90, 20 triangle is anything of interest.

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    Like I said, You will get better results if you take corner stone locations (St Peter being the corner stone of the Church type of idea that would have appeal to Masons).  What caught my attention is the angle of approx. 58 degrees next to the angle of 72. Since Tan(58.28)=Phi, I was curious about the possibility of there being a right angle triangle involving it. There is. A line from Bacon's mount through GI that projects to Butler's farm gives the other base corner that is 31.7 (shown as 32).  This means that we have Kepler's triangle represented by GI, GII and Bacon's mount (in blue).

    By Thales' Theorem these three points are on a circle (shown). What comes out of that, surprisingly, is that the Temple point is also on the circle.  The ratio (distance from GII-Z)/ (distance GII-Mount Bacon)=1.618.  The sides of Kepler's triangle are in proportion 1:sqrt(Phi): Phi^2 by definition. 

    I've also drawn a dotted line from the 60 degree corner of the 40-60-80 triangle through to GI. That line mimics the stem of the Northern cross when one is looking at Cygnus in relation to the other two stars in the Summer Triangle. The arms of the Northern Cross (or the wings of Cygnus) are roughly approximated by the line from Mount Bacon to V (a road) that is perpendicular to the dotted line. 

    What one could look further into is if there is a golden triangle that involves the main points (I've not seen it so far). Because we have the sqrt(Phi) given in relation to a unit length, there is also a possibility that the 51.82 base angle pair of the Great Pyramid might show up and display that distance as it's height. 

    Nevertheless, it's quite a nice surprise. 

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