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  1. 5 hours ago, Marvin Haines said:

    That's all very fine and good - and in fact, I think you're on to something genius - but perhaps the CENTER GEOMETRIES would align better if the windows were placed at the correct distance apart? Here's a picture of the whole room. Take into account the foreshortening of the perspective. The room was constructed, like Solomon's Temple, entirely without nails. The ceiling coffers and wall panels are held together with square wooden pegs. I like to think the shelves were designed for holding the complete works of Shakespeare/Bacon, but, judging from other Aesthetic Movement rooms of the period, I think it's safer to assume that they held vases/displays of some sort. Wagner (Who I'd die to get on the Forums) has some interesting things to share about the ceiling, with regard to the windows.

    Winchester Mystery House - Two Days in San Francisco

    I'd have to know the distances. Do not discount that there could be four circles worth of space there. That is what I keep seeing (there's a reason for this). I treated the windows as if they were part of one circle. You can treat the windows as touching or with integer numbers of circles between them. The theme in all this is four.  But, really this is a story about 1,2,3,4 and ultimately 5 (which is not of this world). 5 gets reserved for the sublime and the other realm. You can get that sense from the 72 degree angle that give us the Golden Triangle which is used to present the masonic spiral and the ram's horns that, incidentally show up when you bring the windows together. I think you're seeing a Geo-demonstration here that is based on a standard loxodrome that Dee reasoned out when he developed his paradoxal compass device.  I'm going to post about this shortly.  "This small world" was imagined to be reflecting a Macrosom that had it well established numerology. Some of Dee's choices are not arbitrary, and it is these non arbitrary choices that he made that convinced him and others that the coincidences had to mean something. He's not wrong. It is as if this world was made to be described best by 9 digits and 4 dimensions.

    When I say 4 circles I mean this arrangement:

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  2. 3 hours ago, Light-of-Truth said:

    Busy day today in a busy week. I hope to play later this afternoon...

    I knew you were going to use the little circles (dots). 😉

     

     

    Neat result when we treat both windows as one. The only square given in the image is the middle pane of each window. Based on that we can determine what 3 x 3 of those would represent as the area of a unit square. The ratio of the double window (in red) to the unit square is 0.62:1. The square is approx. Phi times larger than the red double window rectangle. One can draw the circle around the square to see how that comes and intersects the double window at the points, H, L, U and T. There's a cleaver way to incorporate 2/3=0.6667 and 0.444444 by a couple of relationships of 90 to 40 and 111 to 40. Within the double window there is an 8:5 cross. That makes it a cousin to Nolan's cross suggestion on OI. Where the top stone angle to the arm end is 22.22 degrees. All this arithmetic around 40 is informing a whole bunch of stuff that is used to plan with, IMO.

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  3. 12 hours ago, Light-of-Truth said:

    Busy day today in a busy week. I hope to play later this afternoon...

    I knew you were going to use the little circles (dots). 😉

     

    Good. It means you looked to see what was obviously given. One must start with what is most obvious and not invent points. The exercise is to find the relationship in them. It becomes obvious when you notice you are looking at a chiral pair that you' ll face some isosceles triangles. There' s still some work to do with this. I suspect "the little world" has something to show us. Dee's spiral, for example starts somewhere. It ends at the North pole, but what else is given to us by him that has travelled in time to be presented to us as if to show someone knew and remembered. I'm extremely suspicious that these schemes lived on in Freemasonry to be used without much knowledge of where they may have originated. As always, the punchline is almost always a point of Christian belief married to some empiric idea.

    Something one can do here is marry the two windows and consider the rectangle it produces. It's going to be less that 2/3 of the are of a square? Will it be 0.625 of it? I'll be curious to see.

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  4. On 4/20/2024 at 7:03 AM, Eric Roberts said:

    Hi Marvin

    You asked: Go ahead and tell me that this is merely a figment of a young Baconian's dangerously overactive imagination...

    Okay then. Your self-diagnosis is probably correct. There is no question mark or question to answer. What you are seeing

    is an elegant architectural solution to upper middle-class housing. Nothing more. Who, in the 18th century, could look down

    from a bird's-eye perspective? All of us here have experienced the private thrill of discovery in the middle of researching a train

    of thought, and we all celebrate it in others. To do good work, one has to take it slow and steady, grind your way through it.

    I think you already know this though, don't you?

    Someone who is looking at a plan on paper can see from a bird's eye view. Did that never occur to you? lol.  To be able to do good work obvious things must first be realized.   A question mark is definitely not something they were going after. We most certainly could try and work out what was attempted by looking at  the radial lines of the garden divisions. They had a rectangle to work with. Someone likely treated it in a regular way. Does it have esoteric meaning? I'm afraid so, because "sacred geometry" is just geometry. Dividing a rectangle in two is a sacred act in homage to high symmetry. Planning is a spiritual act if you believe in God. At the date specified there was still much pride in respecting conventions. Head on over to London and see how the best of the best, the Burtons planned. They were consumed with the esoteric, and big supporters of the first Francis Bacon society I should add. That's Constance Pott's family you know.

  5. On 7/15/2024 at 8:41 PM, Marvin Haines said:

    Notice the Vesicas.

    Act 4, scene 5 of Troilus and Cressida, and Act 5, scene 5 of Richard II. 

    45 = Shakespeare 

    55 = Hiram Abiff. 

    Notice the mirrors which reflect light and knowledge, and the literal "spears" or "staffs" beating the Serpent of Ignorance.

    I like to think that Mrs. Winchester is inviting us to "unclasp" her puzzle.

    There are six POINTS in the first window and five in the second. RIchard Allen Wagner tells us that they are really triangles - triangles that point upward towards the intricate coffered ceiling of the room. But that's for another day... 

    There are 8 points in each, and they are symmetrically given from a center between the windows. 4 of them are on an arc in each window. Only the center portions of the windows are square. See if you can deduce why. At the center of the Vesica is chaos symbolized by 22. The suggestion here is that the 22 letters were used to construct the word which is the light. You access the light by unclasping the book, but you must live by it.

    There's a "this little world reference" here that makes the hidden circle a globe suggestion. Paired with the golden triangle, you are encountering the suggestion that this world was constructed with the divine proportion. In theory you should always be able to exploit Phi to locate a point on it by using Dee's paradoxal compass which is exploiting a swirling spiral that goes round and round to the North pole. I like to think of this stained glass pair as a "know thyself" type of visual suggestion. Know what is your place in the world and in the grand scheme of things.

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  6. What looks like random spots in a window are actually a symmetrical pair. One is greatly helped by realizing that 4 of the points on the left are exactly on an arc. This means that there is a circle which unites both if we place the right window at an appropriate distance. 86 again in the form of an angle created.

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    Rob's 2nd favorite triangle makes an appearence too (golen triangle suggestion). The ratio of side to base in it is Phi, by definition. Nice 33 too. More to come regarding this "puzzle". Obviously there is Dee's X (cross) here which is his Enochian letter for the number 10. 6:8:10 I tell you. lol 

    6 is for the circle, 8 for infinity and 10 the perfection of the cross.

    The golden triangle presents us with the 1:2:2 proportion.  Regarding the book, the Hebrew alphabet is made up of 22 letters, which are used to compose the Word of God. The word of God is called a lamp, thus it is the light by which we are to live. In James (twin) 1:22 it is given:

    "Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says"

    That's a very Masonic thing to want to pass on. 

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  7. On 7/15/2024 at 11:02 PM, Light-of-Truth said:

    Marvin, ever play with GeoGebra? It is a blast.

    My first Sarah triangle from my first three points to look at, not that I know what it is (40, 90, 50) ... LOL

    What a prompt, and from a Baconian!

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    Unclapse that secret booke!

    WIDE is 39 Simple cipher the same as F BACON.

    OMG, the hours and hours of enjoyment on this one page, maybe one of the most important cipher pages in Shakespeare.

    https://internetshakespeare.uvic.ca/Library/facsimile/book/Bran_F1/372/index.html%3Fzoom=1200.html

       Wor. Peace Cousin, say no more.
    And now I will vnclaspe a Secret booke,
    And to your quicke conceyuing Discontents,
    Ile reade you Matter, deepe and dangerous,
    As full of perill and aduenturous Spirit,
    As to o're-walke a Current, roaring loud
    On the vnstedfast footing of a Speare.

     

    You can do better than that.

    I'll help you get started.

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    There's an obvious relationship between these points owing to lines going though them coinciding with points on the edge of the frame, and there are parallels.

    There are 8 dots and 5 Tees in this panel. That's our old 8x5=40 suggestion where 8/5=1.6, the approximation of Phi (golden proportion). The other panel has 8:6 suggested. That's likely not a coincidence. Those two, with that perfect ten form the Pythagorean triple, 6-8-10. It's 100 (cross) expressed as the sum of squares. Its also, as a sum, the 14 that is the basis for the Sonnet. The 6,8 form was the Italian form of it. Shakespeare wrote in the form that gives the quaternary value of 14: 3 x 4, remainder 2. (3,4)2=6,8

    Have as much fun untangling the triangles as I had. Hint: look for the lines that cross on the edge of the frame. The puzzle, as one would suspect, is hinging on the Tees.

    The book is the object that one would expect to find paired with the light. I still maintain that "the tables" are trig. ones. By definition trig, is about the relationship of sides of triangles. Pi/2 is the angle that leads to infinity. Your looking for a square angle of 90 degrees (pi/2). 

    Nice Vesica in the middle there.

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  8. 10 hours ago, Light-of-Truth said:

    We LOVE you as our resident lawyer, Christie! You bring so much to us all! 🙂

     

    If Bacon was successfully being extorted by Bushell it may have been deemed necessary to stop the drain if it was causing Bacon to act unethically to come up with the money. Some of the things that Bushell could have accused him of were penalized by death at the time. The rumors of what was happening with the young boys in Bacon's entourage at the time Bushell was his young assistant offer a possible explanation. The relation between Bacon and Bushell became completely estranged at the time of the charges. The flow of money to Bushell stopped. Bacon may have been removed from official position and protected from the charge of buggery. We just don't know what was known by who and what the interests were. We don't need to know either. That can only stain what is not worth staining.

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  9. 12 hours ago, Light-of-Truth said:

    That's a reasonably educated interpretation of Sonnet 111. I appreciate your own spin on it which is better than anywhere I have seen! 

    Question is when were the Sonnets printed. If in 1609, then Bacon/Shakespeare is confessing or acknowledging what? We know of rumors that persist even today, and likely very true.

    Thence comes it that my name receiues a brand,
    And almost thence my nature is subdu'd

    That is not an uncommon human experience. Whoever wrote these lines had a very real experience of what this means, and certainly what it meant whenever these Sonnets were written. Let me remind everyone that being called a Bastard could be considered a brand. Even if born from the Queen of England.

    Having spent many years in this Sonnet, I do believe the writer is sharing something from very very deep in their soul.

     

     

    You need to look into why exactly there are 14 lines in a Sonnet, when and where that started and why Shakespeare used the 10 syllables (2x5) per line in a 3x4 (quatrain)+2 lines arrangement. Why do you think the the decasyllabic meter was standard in French at the time of the the Norman invasion? What is it about ten that was inspiring during the Carolingian Renaissance? There are considerations in all this that have to be symbolic (geometry elated) since they did later evolve to be more musical than they once were. In Italy they had a form of Sonnet that was a (8 +6) line arrangement. That's interesting becuse 6,8,10 is a Pythagorean triple. We can see that the 10 may been a powerful influence, as well as "sacred" geometry probably was.  As we have seen in the consideration of the number 4, 1+2+3+4=10 and 1x2x3x4=24.  The difference is 14. How many 4s in 14? 3 with a remainder of 2. That's Shakespeare's line pattern. He is representing the quaternary value of the difference between the two aspects of the quaternary are based in that Dee wrote about. It may all stem for the quaternary form in music reconsidered. At any rate, I suspect you that if you can trace this all the way back to a first influence you will find a numerological belief that is informed by scientific observation.

    Can we ultimately pin the choice in Shakespeare (3x4 + 2) to an influence of Dee that is number theory based?

    Since the 111 is the number representative of the Sun is the poet speaking to a fair youth who is his a Sun to him or a son to him?

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  10. On 7/13/2024 at 4:44 PM, Light-of-Truth said:

    Bacon is INNOCENT! Framed, he took a dive for King James!

    I say that because I want that to be true. If it is not true, I am no less of the Baconian I am now, just need to accept Bacon was more human like us all that I knew before.

    But I am open and eager to know everything true.

    🙂

    Sonnet 111 from 1609, if the date is correct, and the date is up for discussion, read the lines:

    O For my sake doe you wish fortune chide,
    The guiltie goddesse of my harmfull deeds,
    That did not better for my life prouide,
    Then publick meanes which publick manners breeds.
    Thence comes it that my name receiues a brand,
    And almost thence my nature is subdu'd
    To what it workes in,like the Dyers hand,
    Pitty me then,and wish I were renu'de,
    Whilst like a willing pacient I will drinke,
    Potions of Eysell gainst my strong infection,
    No bitternesse that I will bitter thinke,
    Nor double pennance to correct correction.
       Pittie me then deare friend,and I assure yee,
       Euen that your pittie is enough to cure mee.

     

    This sonnet sounds like a confession or defense as he justifies his actions after being cheated by his mother Elizabeth. But was this sonnet in print before his fall?

    It was registered, we know, in 1609. But I have heard more than one person suggest they were not printed for some years to come.

    I do not know.

     

     

    Fortune has seen to it that a man who was reliant of public means (patronage) has performed harmful deeds which do not warrant the good reputation that he has bestowed upon him. In truth his reputation should be of a man who has been stained by his deeds, as opposed of being one who is lauded by flatterers.  He is willing to drink of the bitter vinegar (fermented, foul potion) in order to makes amends. An he asks for pity from the young man. He accepts his faith, and he knows only forgiveness can save him (similar idea at the end of the Tempest).

    It could be symbolically placed at 111 to echo the fact that all men will have to accept their penance and beg for pity (doubly emphasized). When you stand in front of the Sun God you better be repentant and humble. Pass the vinegar please. lol

     

     

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  11. On 7/12/2024 at 4:57 PM, RoyalCraftiness said:

    How good is that? I wish you would make your lines and points smaller so I can see what you are aligning with anything well given. I think I know what you are using there, but it's not clear. Have you figured out how to change the line width and point size?

    I will suggest again that you build from what is obviously given. You have a half circle as an arch and you have a scepter through it. Use the "specify 3 point to a circle" tool to get your circle. Make a perpendicular from the scepter to the circle perimeter and you will define a diameter.  The 30-60-90 triangle was used. The Phoenix above has its wings stretched out to the width of the projected diameter if you mirror it along the central divider. This sort of initial composition suggestion should be checked for a 6 pointed star or a Vesica. That was a common enough armature to design with. If you go looking for specific angles you will never fail find them hooking up with some random corner of something. Start from what is obviously given.

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    I dug up this famous painting from Teniers that used to be at Shugborough hall that I have worked out a while back. I think I showed it previously without the analysis.

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    It's an excellent example of how you can develop the 60 degree crossing of the sticks/staffs into the hexagonal geometry suggestion and go from there. The triangle MKW is found by seeing where the leaning staff intersects the circle centered on Anthony, by drawing a perpendicular from it to the circle perimeter and joining those two points to show a diameter (MK). MKW is a Kepler triangle of proportion 1:sqrt(phi):Phi^2.

    Point W is on the main diagonal from top left to bottom right. The slope KW (given by the leaning staff) is repeated 3 times in this image (dotted yellow line). It defines the shape of the (castle + mount) with a line whose origin is the corner of the dressed stone in the foreground.

    Obviously, the crucifix here was placed in respect to the main armature lines.

    A clever use of the sight line through the finger tips project to the head of Christ on the crucifix. The line from the thumb of St Paul through to the center and beyond the thumb of St Anthony extends to the raven with the bread (raven is symbolic of Elijah's feeding by the ravens in the Bible).

    This is an excellent work to study as it is loaded with esoteric symbolism. The dotted yellow lines and the main diagonal form isosceles triangles (with verticals) whos base angle pair are 55.5 degrees (sum to 111). The painting is famous for being at the center of the Reine-le-Chateau intrigue with Poussin's "Shepherds of Arcadia".

    What kind of story does the composition tell? Study the word of God, because it is the sustenance that is the corner stone of a man's life who will gain access to the shining city on the hill "heaven". God will provide the way to see you through. Something like that...Incidentally, St. Paul is wearing the Tau cloak in this image.

    The painting is said to have been in the collection of Hermann Goering. It may have been a copy of this one. There are versions of this painting by Teniers. Some say this one is the original work.

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  12. 4 hours ago, Light-of-Truth said:

    I'd say the Golden Triangle with 36 degrees is my second favorite triangle right now.

    I'm partial to the 18 degree Triangulum with it's 81,18,81 degrees. 😉

    They are all pretty fun though.

    I just can't SHAke that weird idea that Dee was Bacon's father. LOL

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    Edge perforations 13 x2=26 + 17 x 2=34  => 60

    It would have been cool if it had been 26 and 33. (BF and Bacon). Maybe there are 62 here if the corners are reconsidered?

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  13. 4 hours ago, Light-of-Truth said:

    I'd say the Golden Triangle with 36 degrees is my second favorite triangle right now.

    I'm partial to the 18 degree Triangulum with it's 81,18,81 degrees. 😉

    They are all pretty fun though.

    I just can't SHAke that weird idea that Dee was Bacon's father. LOL

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    Yeah, those two travel together. Show me a square, and I will show you a pentagonal projection involving them both.

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    So much so that if you see one you know the other is there in the polygon expansion. In the Sylva Sylvarum title page that expansion is behind the composition.

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  14. 1 hour ago, Light-of-Truth said:

    I'd say the Golden Triangle with 36 degrees is my second favorite triangle right now.

    I'm partial to the 18 degree Triangulum with it's 81,18,81 degrees. 😉

    They are all pretty fun though.

    I just can't SHAke that weird idea that Dee was Bacon's father. LOL

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    Nice. Did Bacon have a "6th sense" guiding his colonization scheme or was he just following Dee's vision?

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  15. 10 hours ago, Light-of-Truth said:

    I've been wrestling with this a while. You put out something I said privately. That's fine with me. But tonight I need to respond.

    I'm wise enough to never put out anything private that I would not be willing to take ownership of if it was leaked into the pubic.

    So right now in the next 12 to 24 hours maybe 5 to 10 people might read my reply and what I am saying. Might be zero.

    In the same time dozens of bots will devour every word we say and spew it out in search results on and across the World Wide Web.

    On the B' Hive, every word we type and post is accessible to the entire planet. That is the reality of posting onto a public forum. A person posts and it is available to our whole world. Will anybody ever see it? That depends, maybe, maybe not. But everything is out there in the searchable reality. And we at SirBacon.org provide a totally free venue for almost anyone to promote their ideas.

    CJ, I am thrilled to be learning what I am learning. I feel like a kid turned loose in a candy store. Sharing here now my vision is one day someone will stumble on these silly banters and get excited and share the joy I get.

    Does anybody else feel that when posting here? Every post on the B' Hive  is a pebble in a pond making ripples.

    Right? To me every thought makes a ripple.

    We are creating a tapestry that hopefully will last as long as humans survive. I am so proud and excited to be a part of this.

    In Jono's famous words, "Just sayin'..."

     

     

     

     

    In integer based systems like the ternary or the decimal the last digit  is a remainder. Going to the left, are the powers of that number. 1 in the ternary is 1, because 1 is not divisible by three and 1 is the remainder.  3 is 10 in the ternary because 3 is divisible by 3^1 one time, and we are to show that there are is no remainder.

    364 in the ternary is 

    364 /3= 121, remainder 1

    121/3=40, remainder 1

    40/3=13, remainder 1

    13/3=4. remainder 1

    4/3, reminder 1.

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    when there is just a number less than three at the end the task is done. The number's representation is then given by writing it out in reverse order:  111111

    365 is base 3 is just the same answer with a remainder of 2 at the end, so 111112

    Just use the calculator

    Convert Decimal to Base-3 (unitconverters.net)

    Do confirm that in all bases it is possible to arrive to an answer of 1, 11, 111, 1111, 11111, 111111....That a universal property of all base numbering schemes. That "pyramid" is always there.

     

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  16. 2 hours ago, Light-of-Truth said:

    Just got home with chores to do. My post was thinking binary (base 2), but what shocked me is base 3 which is brand new to me.

    I know binary, octal, hexadecimal, and we all know decimal. What is base 3 called??

    I hope to be back in a bit. I'm juggling like a fool in a circus right now...

     

    Ternary. Quarternary is base 4. Quinary is base 5. Dee was dabbling in basic number theory. He was damn well convinced the cross stood for 10, the decad (it seemed to be historically supported through all cultures he would have known of), and he apparently was looking around to find things he could equate to that, or to equate things. It was yod to Hebrews so he devised the IOD to be a steganographic equivalent.

    111 is an esoteric solar cue. If you sit down and play with this you will notice that there is a 1, 11, ,111, 1111, 11111...in all base numbering systems. That makes it something Dee may have deduced was Universal in the spiritual/esoteric sense. No other such growing series is. It would have to be special to him if was paying close attention. 

    The 6x6 magic square has magic constant of 111. The sum of all the numbers in the square is 666

    It is interesting that the in base 3 the fourth "step" in the series of ones is 111. The square and the fourth seem to want to imply the same thing.

    I just asked the AI to give me numbers that symbolize the Sun. It spit out 6, 36, 111 and 666, lol. We can see where the symbolism is originating here. 36 is your favorite triangle apex angle isn't it? "Golden Triangle" name is right if it is shining with the light of the Sun.

    6 is the denomination of your Bacon stamp, right? A symbolic Sun to Dee, I'm sure. Or is it a symbolic son to Dee?

     

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  17. 2 hours ago, Light-of-Truth said:

    OMG!

    I learned binary in the 9th grade (1973/4), and never looked at binary or Bacon’s biliteral cipher with the Sonnets Pyramid design I have immersed myself in for 20 some years.  
     

    WOW! I’m not home but am blown away, big time!!!!!!!

    Wow dude! Whew! 
     

    Synchronicity that my iPhone just alerted me lightning just struck a couple miles from me. Dee is saying, “Hello!”

    😉

    Is that how it works? lol

    I'll try and not "solve" things for you if it means you have to get hit by a lightning bolt. I suspect it just means the play is about to begin.  Scene 1 Act 1.

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  18. Binary (base 2) is just as interesting.

    1=1

    2=10

    3=11

    4=100

    7=111

    8=1000

    10=1010; 42=101010

    15=1111

    16=10000

    33=100001

    55=110111 (Biblical twin psalms suggestion).

    For your Sonnets structure I think you might want to consider base 3.

    0

    1=1

    11=4

    111=13

    1111=40

    11111=121

    111111=364

    It's at least pyramid-like. The difference between consecutive numbers here is: 1, 3, 9, 27, 81.... The powers of 3. This what makes your "pyramid" look so similar to the square ashlar (presence of 27, 81). 364 is the 7th "step".

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  19. A few interesting observations:

    in base 3 (ternary)

    1=1

    2=2

    3=10, 9=100, 27=1000, 81=10 000

    4=11, 13=111, 40=1111, 80=2222

    30=1010

    33=1020

    60=2020

    in base 4 (quarternary)

    1=1

    2=2

    3=3

    4=10, 16=100, 64=1000

    10=22, 42=222, 170=2222

    15=33

    40=220, 60=330, 80=1100

     

    In the case of 10, Dee's IOD, the quarternary is in the ternary.  As  3 and 4 are both equal to 10 in each.

    The powers of ten in ternary are given, in part, by the side values on the perfect ashlar. 27 (one side) and 81 (4 sides)

    15, which is the side of the Earthly/wordly in the tetractys is the carrier of 33. 

    Convert Decimal to Base-3 (unitconverters.net)

     

     

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  20. 54 minutes ago, Light-of-Truth said:

    My initial thought was to use what seems obvious to me at the apex as my eyes naturally goes here:

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    Then, to me, the obvious two points will be here which are the feet of the arch structure:

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    I expected to see 36 degrees, but 33 came up. I liked that for obvious Bacon/Masonic reasons. Does a 33 degree triangle have meaning other than the 33 being high profile?

    I did look at the 36 degree Golden Triangle:

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    Then upon looking, the two lower points can fit with the knots:

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    So then I wondered what the significance of the knots meant.

    That's how my mind works anyway.

     

    Your mind needs to think that you need to look next for a 5 pointed star and a pentagon. Once you find it you need to put a unit square (same base) next to it. That will give you an 18 degree angle...and so on and on. Things will start to define themselves for you this way to, and it my in fact lead you to understanding the composition of the whole image. What do the bows tell you about the division of the image vertically? Everything should lead to a next question.

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  21. 20 minutes ago, Light-of-Truth said:

    I get your point, so to speak. 😉

    In the above post I show what it is obvious to me, as a geometry beginner. I thought about in bed last night as I was drifting off to sleep imagining if was living 400 years ago and did not have a modern computer with geometry software.

    I would start at the same point I am using, take my compass from the single point and draw an arc or circle in various places marking some points and drawing lines and figure out the angles. In a way it would be doing exactly what I am doing now.

    You, CJ, have a few more years with this geometry stuff than me so what is obvious to you is different from what I think is obvious. I barely know two or three triangles right now. 😉

     

    I had to teach myself the art of composition by reading some books about it. I will not claim to have originated my own way of seeing things. At some point I just needed to understand how it is that so many artists where faddishly drawn to composing in geometrically symbolic ways that are recognizable. The fact it grew in massive popularity in the Baroque is due to the fact that there was the great revival of Euclid in Western Europe. Things moved East to West. There is European art that is only really considered great because of its incredibly well done composition. Not too many people know it, but Picasso was obsessed with it. His cubism is like Dee's emphasis on the quarternary. The physical word represented as squares and cubes is a clever way to compose. Anything I can suggest to you is just a nudge in the direction I went in. Experience will only get you part of the way, but you do eventually benefit from shortcuts (like reading about it).

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  22. 1 hour ago, Light-of-Truth said:

    My initial thought was to use what seems obvious to me at the apex as my eyes naturally goes here:

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    Then, to me, the obvious two points will be here which are the feet of the arch structure:

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    I expected to see 36 degrees, but 33 came up. I liked that for obvious Bacon/Masonic reasons. Does a 33 degree triangle have meaning other than the 33 being high profile?

    I did look at the 36 degree Golden Triangle:

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    Then upon looking, the two lower points can fit with the knots:

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    So then I wondered what the significance of the knots meant.

    That's how my mind works anyway.

     

    Sure, but what you should look for is the backbone of the composition which always starts with the frame, the center line and the main diagonals as well as the other lines that form the basic 14 line armature (might even be why 14 is so prevalent in the Sonnets, and the sonnet form). The reason you do that is to start to appreciate why it is that certain angles will appear between points of coincidence. This will allow you to look at certain things and immediately know what is going to be there before you look further. The simplest way for me to explain that is by saying that in the presence of a square you will know there is a sqrt(2) line across it. That line can then become part of some other ratio in a geometry that builds upon it. There's nothing wrong with hunting for angles, but I maintain that it is not going to always lead you to knowing how an image was put together. It can still work for you, but you need o train your mind to think like a designer of images. 

    To an attuned eye, there's a circle suggestion that is giving the arch with a line in it. Once you establish that the circle is made to give the 30-60-90 you know you have a hexagonal geometry to work with that is going to central. You can proceed to look at that. In this case the hexagon is tilted in such a way that it will gives an equal division of six verticals within it's borders (a circle sliced in 6). Emphasizing 6 with the circle is typical. You should immediately think in terms of the flower of life with that. 2 more similarly spaced verticals where added to make 8 and give the trellis. The frame is divided in 4 vertically, but only 2 horizontally. That's 4x2=8 again. What we start to see is that 6-8-10 is driving this composition. That's just the 3:4:5 triangle suggestion.

    I'm not giving you flack to put you down. I'd like you to get good at this in order that you can start to see things with new eyes. While it is good to know that a 36 or 33 angle may be present; it is not as good as knowing if it should have appeared because of the plan of the image. If you knew that, you'd see 36 degrees and know what else came with it. At some point you will start to get a feel for this. You actually do know some of this by now. If you saw a regular pentagon in an image you would know that there are angles of 18, 36 and 72  that are going to likely be exploited. With a hexagon it's 30-60-90. 

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  23. 15 minutes ago, Light-of-Truth said:

    Honest experience:

    The other night playing around with the 1970's Busch Gardens map that looked really esoteric I really did not find anything, except a 44.4 and 66.6 traingle that I am sure is a coincidence since nothing else popped up.

    Bacon's cover pages? There are always important designs on every one of them.

    Maybe everything done 400 years was permeated with geometry.

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    How good is that? I wish you would make your lines and points smaller so I can see what you are aligning with anything well given. I think I know what you are using there, but it's not clear. Have you figured out how to change the line width and point size?

    I will suggest again that you build from what is obviously given. You have a half circle as an arch and you have a scepter through it. Use the "specify 3 point to a circle" tool to get your circle. Make a perpendicular from the scepter to the circle perimeter and you will define a diameter.  The 30-60-90 triangle was used. The Phoenix above has its wings stretched out to the width of the projected diameter if you mirror it along the central divider. This sort of initial composition suggestion should be checked for a 6 pointed star or a Vesica. That was a common enough armature to design with. If you go looking for specific angles you will never fail find them hooking up with some random corner of something. Start from what is obviously given.

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