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Great slide A Phoenix ! I am sure that you already mentioned this page by the past and that we discussed it but I did not find our previous discussion. Anyway, I remember mentioning that the word "THERE" in "THERE WORTHY" could be seen as the anagram of "THREE" that with the "THREE" two lines below could form 33 = BACON. And I don't know if I had noticed it the last time but William is the 16th word and Shakespeare is the 17th word. 16 + 17 = 33 = BACON Thus, we have William Shakespeare (33) crossed by C iam ab on (I am BACON) Here is an interesting link that help to spot the misnumbered pages 🙂 https://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=eebo2;idno=A03559.0001.001 Notice the misnumbered entry 50 (5) talking about a play "The Mariage of the Arts" presented before King james. https://firstlines.folger.edu/detail.php?id=64598 I wonder if the play could be of interest. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technogamia "(James, who hated smoking and wrote A Counterblaste to Tobacco, could not have been pleased that the play included a song in praise of the habit. It begins, Tobacco's a musician, And in the pipe delighteth, It descends in a close Through the organs of the nose With a relish that inviteth... — and continues in the same vein, comparing tobacco to a lawyer, a physician, a traveller, a critic and other figures.) tobacco or "to bacco" ,? (Once again, just an idea) Moreover, The number of entry 116 is missing. There are two entries 133 🙂 ,"Playing with words" and "of a sign". The entry 158 is misnumbered (145). The entry 164 is also misnumbered ( 144 = SIR FRANCIS BACON ?)
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Thank you for sharingyour thoughts about the number 27 (3^3) . This is really very interesting. "Do 27 and 33 come and confirm that this is a monument to a death of Masonic importance ? " You do not think so ... I think that it is a possibility. What if I told you that the couple 27 (3^3)/ 33 you mention is used a second time ? Would you change your mind ?😊 By counting from "IUDICIO" : The 27th word (3^3) is "DEATH" and the 33rd word is "MONUMENT" And as if by magic, by counting from "STAY" : The 27th word (3^3) is "DIDE" and the 33rd word is "TOMB". I personally think that it is relevant. So, many thanks for you suggestion !🙏
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I know it is a suggestion. That is the reason why I wrote "it could be a clue" and not "It is a clue" . And I don't try to get to the desired number 74. I just noticed that there was two type of "ME" and by counting, I noticed that the first one was the 33rd word and the two "merged" ones add to 74. Indeed, IN MY VIEW, it was interesting and I decided to share this with the community. Talking about De Vere, I remind you that I am opened to the idea that he was involved. And indeed, if I was an Oxfordian, I could tell you that there are two "Thou" . The first one is the 17th word and the 2nd one is the 23rd word. 17 + 23 = 40 so we have the famous 1740 the Oxfordians so dearly love. Could it be ME (33 - 74 : BACON -TUDOR ) and YOU (1740 the 17th Earl of Oxford)) ? Why not ? I keep open to all the possibilities. In ciphering 0 is nulle so what if 1740 concealed the number 174 that is 100 (FRANCIS BACON) + 74 (TUDOR) Why not ? And here is the suggestion of the day, for you who like Hermes, the Trickster. 😁 FRA. QUICKSILVER Edit : And for more information about "Francis Quicksilver", here are the links to the great work of A Phoenix on the subject. PAPER: https://www.academia.edu/103796986/Francis_Bacon_and_his_Hidden_Obscured_Relationship_with_his_Rosicrucian_Brother_Ben_Jonson_Editor_and_Key_Contributor_to_the_Shakespeare_First_Folio_who_during_the_period_of_its_printing_was_residing_with_Bacon_at_Gorhambury VIDEO: https://youtu.be/vr7QVLTcrzA
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I do not know if someone already mentionned it, and I have just noticed it ... On the commemorative plaque, if in all the "TH" the letters T and H are merged, this is not the case with the "ME". It could be a clue indicating that the "ME" in "WHOME" or the two other ones are important. "WHOME" is the 36th word. "MONUMENT" is the 33rd word. 33 = BACON "NAME" is the 41st word 33 + 41 = 74 = WILLIAM = TUDOR ME (MY NAME, MY MONUMENT) WILLIAM TUDOR BACON 😉
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Hi A Phoenix, Here is a thought that occured to me as I was looking at your slide. There are twenty-six lines in total (26 = B.F. or F. BACO.) The poem is 22 lines long. Let's take the 11th verse from the top and the 11th verse from the bottom ( that is the 12th verse from the top ) : 11 + 12 = 33 = BACON , and these two verses are in the Middle of L. Digges' Poem. Here is one suggestion ... https://internetshakespeare.uvic.ca/Library/facsimile/book/Bran_F1/13/index.html%3Fzoom=1200.html F. BAcON wit Have a good Sunday ! 🙂
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Hi CJ, Your interpretation of the AA, the squirrel and the rabbit, is interesting but it does pesuppose that the first AA emblem appeared for the first time in the Book that I mentionned, "Chronographia" published in 1567. I did not find it yet in an older book, but I found it in another book printed by Martinum Juvenem that is not about "Hebrew Grammar" so I keep open to another meaning. Personally, I am interested in "the migration of woodblocks". Martinum Juvenem printed a second book in 1576. https://books.google.fr/books?id=fwwqrm9v3JAC&pg=PP5&hl=fr&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=1#v=onepage&q&f=false In this Book, we do not have the AA Emblem, but we can find the "Green Man" on page 121 and 157, the Green Man that we will find many years later on the Title pages of some Shakespeare's Quartos and which seems to appears for the first time in England in the following Book: "Ekatompathia" (The Hundred ways) by Watson published in 1582. It seems to be the first English Book in which we can find the "Grail" AA Emblem. (Two years before The Essayes of a Prentise in the Divine Art of Poesie".) My idea is that if this is the same woodblock that was used in 1576 in "Hebraicum Alphabethum" and in 1579 in "De Rep. Anglorum Instaurada" we should not find a Book published in Paris in 1579 with the "AA Emblem" because the woodblock was in London. I did not find a book printed by Martinum Juvenem in 1579 with the AA emblem, but I found one book with it published the following year (1580) : https://books.google.fr/books?id=n_t6zMAGccoC&printsec=frontcover&hl=fr&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false If the woodblock was in London in 1579, it would mean that it came back to Paris in 1580. Interestingly enough, Anthony Bacon travelled to France in 1580. What if the woodblocks of the AA Emblem and of the Green Man travelled to London in 1579 with Francis Bacon in order to be "copied" with some modifications (The "Grail" AA emblem and the "Green man" slightly different which appear in Ekatompathia) and they travelled back to France in 1580 with his Brother Anthony Bacon ? This is just an idea /suggestion. The book published in 1580 is about Adrien Turnebe. https://printinginfrance.edwardworthlibrary.ie/second-generation/adrien-turnebe/ Notice that the previous edition of this book was published in 1577 without the AA emblem but with a "A" emblem instead,that is the same that Turnebe used as a printer. The AA emblem does not appear in this Book printed in 1581 by Martinum Juvenem : https://books.google.fr/books?id=9gSMUVJkpocC&printsec=frontcover&hl=fr&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false But it appears in 1582 in a Book which is ,again, about Hebrew grammar : https://books.google.fr/books?id=9jkPm7okO7IC&printsec=frontcover&hl=fr&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
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https://www.bl.uk/collection-items/shakespeares-collected-poems-1640 Thank you A Phoenix ! I had never read the poem by Leonard Digges "Vpon Master William Shakespeare, the Deceased Authour and his poems". Here is something very interesting that I noticed on the first page by counting from "Poets". (By the way "Poets are born not made" echoes Ben Jonson's Eulogy, "For a good Poe's made, as well as borne" on line 26 (B.F) 😉 ) https://internetshakespeare.uvic.ca/Library/facsimile/book/Bran_F1/10/index.html%3Fzoom=1200.html https://shakespearedocumented.folger.edu/resource/document/sonnets-second-edition Source : Folger Shakespeare Library https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ The first "he" in "he was a Poet" is the 33rd word : 33 = BACON By counting "Plagiari-like" as one ... The fourth "he" is the 119th word, and for me 119 is the simple cipher of MEDIOCRIA FIRMA, the motto of Bacon's Family. (This is also the simple cipher of ALL IS NUMBER 😉 ) "his" and "Workes" are the 59th and 60th words from "Poets" , 59+60 = 119 = MEDIOCRIA FIRMA The fifth and last "he" in "all that he doth write" is the 133rd word. 🙂 And I wonder if the 33 letters of the 33rd line could conceal BACON ... "On Gods name may the Bull or Cockpit have"
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A Phoenix gives references allowing everyone to read about the subject, to understand why they are making that claim, and to make up her/his own mind. Here is another reference : Peter Dawkins, "The Secret Signature." https://www.fbrt.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/The_Secret_Signature.pdf For me, all begins with W.T. Smedley and his book " The Mystery of Francis Bacon". https://sirbacon.org/mysteryoffrancis00smed.pdf The Chapter which interests us starts on page 132. And here is what would certainly be for you the first suggestion : "The first occasion upon which this device was used appears to be in a book so rare that no copy of it can be found, either in the British Museum or the Bodleian Library. Unfortunately, in the copy belonging to the writer, the title-page and the two first pages are missing. The work is called " Hebraicum Alphabethum Jo. Bovlaese." It is a Hebrew Grammar, with proof-sheets added. It is interleaved with sheets of Englishmade paper, containing Bacon's handwriting. Bound up with it is another Hebrew Grammar, similarly interleaved, called " Sive compendium, quintacunque Ratione fieri potuit amplessimum, Totius linguae," published in Paris in 1566. The book ends with the sentence : " Ex Collegio Montis—Acuti 20 Decembris 1576 " ; then follow two pages in Hebrew, with the Latin translation over it, headed "Decern Proecepta decalogi Exod." Over this is the design containing the light A and the dark A, and the squirrel and rabbits. One thing is certain, that the copy now referred to was in the possession of Bacon, and that the interleaved sheets of paper contain his handwriting, in which have been added page by page the equivalents of the Hebrew in Greek, Chaldaeic, Syriac and Arabic. The facts are that : Smedley told the truth about Hebraicum Alphabethum Jo. Bovlaese https://books.google.bj/books?id=YPo-2TT5lHUC&printsec=frontcover&hl=fr&source=gbs_atb#v=onepage&q&f=false He could not know (as the two first pages of his copy were missing) that there was also a AA headpiece at the beginning of the book. He told the truth about Sive compendium, quintacunque Ratione fieri potuit amplessimum, Totius linguae https://books.google.fr/books?id=O2ilxPrFvysC&printsec=frontcover&hl=fr&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false And he told the truth about the copy belonging to the writer. https://collections.folger.edu/detail/Boulaeze-Jean-K-CC-A3itsur-siue-Compendium-quantacunque-ratione-fieri-potuit-amplissimum-totius-linguae-sanctae/44bdb17b-91a9-4c4c-a793-1e8b1c9cd21c Notice the "item information" given by the Folger Shakespeare Library ... "... Interleaved with numerous manuscript grammatical tables in Latin, Greek, and Hebrew in an early hand. Manuscript notes and underscoring throughout text. Letterpress leaves of Greek verb conjugation tables bound in. Bookplate: Ex libris W.T. Smedley. One suggestion remains ... that the handwriting is the one of Francis Bacon, inducing that the copy was in possession of Bacon. I can't make my own idea without seeing this handwriting but, I give W.T. Smedley the benefice of the doubt. One last thing ... W.T. Smedley writes that "The first occasion upon which this device was used appears to be in a book so rare ..." In 1912, there was no internet. Based on the idea that the AA headpiece found in "Hebraicum Alphabeticum" could be link to Martinum Juvenem (Martin Le Jeune) the printer of the Book, I discovered an older book, published in 1567, in which the same AA headpiece appears... "Chronographia in duos libros distincta." https://books.google.fr/books?id=qe6bHUv9BJ4C&printsec=frontcover&hl=fr&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false Thus, this first AA headpiece was not per se a "Baconian" Headpiece. But the fact is that the first appearence in England of this AA Headpiece seems to be in De Rep. Anglorum Instaurada in 1579, which coincide with Francis Bacon's return to England after living for 3 years in France. And Smedley mentions in his book the migration of woodblocks : "Mr. Charles T. Jacob, Chiswick Press, London, who is the author of " Books and Printing " (London, 1902), and several works on typography, referring to an article on the migration of woodblocks, said : It is a well-known fact to Bibliographers that the same blocks were sometimes used by different printers in two places quite far apart, and at various intervals during the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries. That the same blocks were employed is apparent from a comparison of technical defects of impressions taken at different places, and at two periods. There was no method of duplication in existence until stereotyping was first invented in 1725 ; even then the details were somewhat crude, and the process being new, it met with much opposition and was practically not adopted until the early part of the nineteenth century, Electrotyping, which is the ideal method of reproducing woodblocks, was not introduced until 1836 or there-abouts. Of course, it was quite possible to re-engrave the same design, but absolute fidelity could not be relied on by these means, even if executed by the same hand." The "Grail" AA Headpiece ( the one that appears above the adress "L.D. To the Reader " in the Tectonicon) seems to be found only in Books printed in England. This one, in my view and on the basis of my current knowledge, is a Baconian Headpiece. Edit : I forgot to mention that in "Hebraicum Alphabethum" the two AA Headpieces are on page 2 and 31. 2 + 31 = 33 😉
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It does not changed your interesting analysis ( because the 7th storie of the 7th day can be linked to the number 77), but precisely "Because of the way the Decameron is numbered" the 7th tale of the 7th day is the 67th tales of the Decameron. Indeed, with 10 days and 10 stories per day : - at the end of the first day, there are 10 stories in total - at the end of the second day, there are 20 stories in total - ... - at the end of the seventh day, there are 70 stories in total (7 x 10) - the 77th story is the 7th story of the 8th day 😉 https://www.gutenberg.org/files/23700/23700-h/23700-h.htm
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Regarding the Decameron, my preference goes to the 33rd tale (4th Day 3rd story) and to the 74th tale (8th Day 4th Story) 🙂 I will take a look to the 77th tale. To be honest, I do not have any thougths about Bacon's mysticism by the time "Novum Organum" was published. But something came to my mind facing the year 1353 and your question about HERMES/CHRIST, the fact that the isopsephy of HERMES is 353 and something that I noticed few years ago in the "Bibe of Natalis" published in 1593 with 153 engravings. https://archive.org/details/adnotationesetme00nada/page/8/mode/2up I shared some of my thoughts on this Bible by the past, but I did not mentionned that there was an error in the numbering of the pages. Indeed, the pagination goes from 352 to 355. https://archive.org/details/adnotationesetme00nada/page/n577/mode/2up. I wondered if it was intended and if the numbers 353 , 354 or 707 could be clues. This was then that I learned that 353 was the Greek gematria of HERMES. Moreover, at that time my research on number 707 led me to this site : https://www.masoncode.com/the-great-seal-america/ I learned that 707 was the value of "The Virgin Mary" and it made sense in the context of the Bible. But I also learned that 707 could be the isopsephy of 354 (THE GOD) + 353 (HERMES) I do not know if it is relevant but I share it with you.
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Thank you for sharing C.J. I did not know this book. Indeed, yesterday I noticed that one of the lines of your triangle crossed "de vere" "Learned Everard". Here is my point of view with some ideas and suggestions. 🙂 The 33rd letter of the Title page is the 2nd letter u "you ? " of Mercurius, right between the F of "OF" and the B of "BOOKS" U (You) 33 F.B. Notice that at the bottom you have "at the Three Bibles in the Poul - trey" https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/trey Another 33. And I keep open to the possibility that "BaCun" could stand for "BACON". "By" is the 33rd word and "By 33" can be seen as By Bacon ( BACON = 33 simple cipher). The second "By" is the 41st word and 33 +41 = 74 😊 Notice that on the Frontispiece, the Sun (1) on one side and the the Moon with the 32 stars (33) could represent the number 133. ( ROSIE - CROSS = 133 simple cipher) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Everard_(preacher) John Everard died in 1641 and this book was published in 1650. Here is something interesting in "To the Reader" ... The word "Englishmen" is used twice in the Preface, and the second time, amongst the "Englishmen" we have BACON (Roger) And on the opposite page we have one Franciscus (Flussas). https://data.bnf.fr/14634553/francois_de_foix_candale/ Between "Franciscus" and "Bacon" we have a lot of 33.🙂 By the way, John Everard dedicated his Book "The arriereban, a sermon preached to the company of the military yarde, at St. Andrewes Church in Holborne at St. Iames his day last." to the HONORATIS∣SIMO DOMINO FRANCISCO, Baroni Ve∣rulamij, summo ANGLIAE Cancellario. https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo/A00461.0001.001?view=toc Back to the Book, I also noticed that one page was misnumbered. It was for me an invitation to take a closer look at the suggested page. F BACON 67 = FRANCIS (Simple cipher) 125 is 5 x 5 x 5 or 5^3 141 reminds me the work of Luis Quirino. And here is a last suggestion on page 19 ... https://archive.org/details/b30329619/page/n17/mode/2up?ref=ol&view=theater&q=Bacon
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You're right ! We know that Pallas Athena was Francis Bacon's Muse thanks to the French poet Jean de la Jessee, private secretary to the Duc d'Alencon,who wrote in a letter to Bacon: "Therefore, Bacon, if it chances that my Muse praises someone, it is not because she is eloquent or learned, although your Pallas has taught me better (how to speak)..." . When I noticed that Pallas was 47 simple cipher and 103 reverse cipher ( 103 is the simple cipher of Shakespeare, a nom de plume based on the epithet of Pallas, the Spear-shaker), I had no other choice that to take a closer look at the pages related with the number 47. And I smiled when I noticed that the page 47 of Histories was also misnumbered (49). https://internetshakespeare.uvic.ca/Library/facsimile/book/Bran_F1/369/index.html%3fzoom=1200.html And I already shared on the forum some of my thoughts on page 47 of Comedies (This is the 65th page of the First Folio 😉 ) with the famous "By Gar" instead of "By God" used many times by Dr Caius. Gar means Spear and it is the 33rd and last rune of the Northumbrian Futhark. https://internetshakespeare.uvic.ca/Library/facsimile/book/Bran_F1/65/index.html%3fzoom=800.html.
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I think that Bacon was aware of what was on each and every page of the First Folio. 🙂 The very first time that I discovered this page it was by following the number 104. At the very beginning of my research, my idea was that if Pallas Athena, the Spear-shaker, was Francis Bacon's Muse and if Francis Bacon was Shake-speare he could have possibly use the simple cipher of "PALLAS ATHENA" (104) or "MINERVA" (77) to conceal his identity on a page of the First Folio related with one of these numbers. I began my research with the number 104. This is how I discovered this misnumbered page "88" and FRA BAC in acrostic in the left column. I did not have read a lot of books about the ciphers in the First Folio, following my own way from the very start, so I was excited by this discovery. Evidently, after some research on the net I quickly realised that this acrostic had been discovered a long time ago.😄 About the "Foster Mother", indeed, the word "Foster" is not in this passage, but I found it elsewhere. This is without talking about all that has already been written on the subject. And I recently found a "key" pointing to specific pages of the First Folio, that (in my view) relate to his "two" mothers. FRANCIS BACON TUDOR "H" the "Queen Mother" of consonants (see Ben Jonson's The English Grammar.) https://internetshakespeare.uvic.ca/Library/facsimile/book/SLNSW_F1/104/?zoom=850
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Good evening A Phoenix, Here is for you one point for consideration regarding the Title page of the 1614 Edition of "Terence in English". In the middle, it could be the anagram of DIONISE. If it was intended, it could be a reference to Dionysus that is BACCHUS/BACCO. It could also be a reference to KING DIONISE , a character in a book by Thomas Elyot : "Of the knowledge which maketh a wise man". https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=inu.32000004540789&seq=21
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Hi Eric, Thank you very much ! In fact, I found a "key" concealed (in my view) by Bacon in a Book, a "key" indicating to look closer at some specific pages of the First Folio. Another one of these pages refers to Anne Cooke, so when I took a closer look at this specific page and I noticed "To find a Mother and a Brother" I had a very good idea of who he was talking about. 😊 That helped me ! Thank you again.
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Suetonius (AD 69 - AD.122) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suetonius https://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Suetonius/de_Poetis/Terence*.html It is common gossip that Scipio and Laelius aided Terence in his writings, and he himself lent colour to this by never attempting to refute it, except in a half-hearted way, as in the prologue to the "Adelphoe": "For as to what those malicious critics say, that men of rank aid your poet and constantly write in concert with him; what they regard as a grievous slander, he considers the highest praise, to please those who please you and all the people, whose timely help everyone has used without shame in war, in leisure, in business." Now he seems to have made but a lame defence, because he knew that the report did not displease Laelius and Scipio; and it gained ground in spite of all and came down even to later times. Gaius Memmius in a speech in his own defence says: "Publius Africanus, who borrowed a mask from Terence, and put upon the stage under his name what he had written himself for his own amusement at home." Nepos says that he learned from a trustworthy source that once at his villa at Puteoli Gaius Laelius was urged by his wife to come to dinner at an earlier hour than common on the Kalends of March,6 but begged her not to interrupt him. When he at last entered the dining-room at a late hour, he said that he had seldom written more to his own satisfaction; and one being asked to read what he had written, he declaimed the lines of the "Heautontimorumenos," beginning: "Impudently enough, by Heaven, has Syrus lured me here by promises." Roger Ascham (1515-1568) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Ascham The Scholmaster ( published posthumesly in 1570) https://archive.org/details/schoolmaster00aschuoft/page/168/mode/2up Michel de Montaigne (1533-1592) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_de_Montaigne Essaies (1580) John Florio (1552-1625) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Florio Translation of Montaigne's Essays (1603) https://archive.org/details/MontaigneImages/page/n143/mode/2up?view=theater